Earl Slick .. The Roling Stones .. Metallica boys .. Rod Stewart .. Ron Wood

Stephen Tyler/Aerosmith!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

purplethunder3121 said:

Shawy89 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said: I'm glad there are people like you who get it Like it or not, folks, hip hop is the new rock and roll.

Naw, hip hop is still hip hop and rock and roll will always be rock and roll music.

You wrote this without any dint of irony.

rock and roll was considered "race music" and worse, "n----r music."

It is the capital-R "Rock," to which you refer. That is a racially stratified concept of what rock and roll should be, at least to "Rock" audiences.

It's not what rock and roll is -- iterations of black music over the course of generations.

Hip-hop -- which I personally love and scorn in almost equal parts -- is rock and roll. Period.

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madhattter said:

namepeace said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Naw, hip hop is still hip hop and rock and roll will always be rock and roll music.

You wrote this without any dint of irony.

rock and roll was considered "race music" and worse, "n----r music."

It is the capital-R "Rock," to which you refer. That is a racially stratified concept of what rock and roll should be, at least to "Rock" audiences.

It's not what rock and roll is -- iterations of black music over the course of generations.

Hip-hop -- which I personally love and scorn in almost equal parts -- is rock and roll. Period.

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Damn straight I wrote it without irony and without bringing race into to it. Of course, what we know as Rock and Roll owes a great deal (if not everything) to Black music. But Hip Hop is not Rock and Roll. Period.

KLOL

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purplethunder3121 said:

NorthC said:

Fuck it. As soon as the shit hoppers start learning how to play instruments, we might call it music. Until then, in other words, as long as they still use samples and drum machines, it's still shit hop and gangsta crap

NorthC said:

Fuck it. As soon as the shit hoppers start learning how to play instruments, we might call it music. Until then, in other words, as long as they still use samples and drum machines, it's still shit hop and gangsta crap

MotownSubdivision said:

NorthC said:

Fuck it. As soon as the shit hoppers start learning how to play instruments, we might call it music. Until then, in other words, as long as they still use samples and drum machines, it's still shit hop and gangsta crap

Oh so if you don't play an instrument you don't make music. What a close-minded opinion.

Hip Hop may be defined as music but it sure ain't Rock music.

purplethunder3121 said:

Like it or not Maroon 5, Taylor Swift, Adele, and Bruno are on top of the POP world. With Lady GaGa, Kanye, Pink following behind. All corporate "music."

Jack White and Josh Homme, by far.

Lenny Kravitz had the chance and lost it. So boring now.

HuMpThAnG said:

Jimi will always be top notch

Prince was at one point during the Purple Rain era ( just my )

So who is thee star of today?

Rock stars in a Hendrix-type iteration are dead and gone as guitarslingers are no longer in
vogue.

Dasein said:

HuMpThAnG said:

Jimi will always be top notch

Prince was at one point during the Purple Rain era ( just my )

So who is thee star of today?

Rock stars in a Hendrix-type iteration are dead and gone as guitarslingers are no longer in
vogue.

HuMpThAnG said:

Jimi will always be top notch

Prince was at one point during the Purple Rain era ( just my )

So who is thee star of today?

Hmmm, loaded question that depends on how people interpret what a rock star is. I always viewed the rock star lifestyle and their music as united identities.

In the modern context, the debauchery and excess of rock stars of the 1960's-1980's is more subdued(?) or just viewed as normal behavior. Social media has blurred the lines somewhat, so no lurid tales of groupies, drugs, or bizarre behavior come across as shocking. In terms of the essence of what they bring to the stage, I would imagine they need to be the total package in terms of what they bring on stage,aura, crown interaction, and just persona (IMO). Playing and instrument or singing would be qualifiers (I guess) but the lifestyle is what people are buying into now, not so much the music. With that being said, the era of the prototype rock star is gone and has given way to the whole hip hop scene, with the cars, the women, the beefs, the behavior, and other excesses having gone mainstream.

If I had to pick one rock star of today (w/Hip Hop consideration), it would be Kanye West. Not a huge fan anymore (liked his first 5 albums), but he strikes me as a that one person who has the hubris and lifestyle akin to the rock stars of previous generations.

COMPUTERBLUE1984 said:

Hmmm, loaded question that depends on how people interpret what a rock star is. I always viewed the rock star lifestyle and their music as united identities.

In the modern context, the debauchery and excess of rock stars of the 1960's-1980's is more subdued(?) or just viewed as normal behavior. Social media has blurred the lines somewhat, so no lurid tales of groupies, drugs, or bizarre behavior come across as shocking. In terms of the essence of what they bring to the stage, I would imagine they need to be the total package in terms of what they bring on stage,aura, crown interaction, and just persona (IMO). Playing and instrument or singing would be qualifiers (I guess) but the lifestyle is what people are buying into now, not so much the music. With that being said, the era of the prototype rock star is gone and has given way to the whole hip hop scene, with the cars, the women, the beefs, the behavior, and other excesses having gone mainstream.

If I had to pick one rock star of today (w/Hip Hop consideration), it would be Kanye West. Not a huge fan anymore (liked his first 5 albums), but he strikes me as a that one person who has the hubris and lifestyle akin to the rock stars of previous generations.

Thank you. Overall, spot on but especially the bolded.

to be a rock star... you need to play rock music

MoBettaBliss said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

MoBettaBliss said:

to be a rock star... you need to play rock music

No you don't.

i'm pretty sure that's what this thread is about

and yes.... you do

LittleBLUECorvette said:

NorthC said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Come on, can you even name a Polka artist besides Steve Urkel?

I have most of Weird Al's albums and he usually has a polka medley on them and even has a zydeco song on one of them. Zydeco is sort of a Black version of polka music and Tejano is a Mexican version. On the RFD channel there's 2 polka shows, one by Molly B and the other by Jimmy Sturr. I think Sturr has won more polka Grammy Awards than anyone else.