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Reply #60 posted 10/25/16 3:09pm

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Great article thumbs up! Why The Unbreakable Janet Jackson Deserves The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame by Veronica Hilbring http://www.essence.com/cu...-hall-fame

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Reply #61 posted 10/26/16 7:54pm

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Another great article nod Chuck D Adamant LL Cool J Should Nab Rock Hall Nomination Before Tupac by Kyle Eustice http://hiphopdx.com/news/...pac-shakur

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Reply #62 posted 10/27/16 2:09am

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come on Janet fans vote! 'Journey' are way in the lead - thanks a lot 'Glee' lol

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Reply #63 posted 10/27/16 2:17am

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2017 Nominee Fan Vote | R...ll of Fame

did everyone vote yet? Looks like Journey and ELO are in the lead right now

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Reply #64 posted 10/27/16 4:25am

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I'm Voting but I'm about sick of the "You must pass the I'm not a Robot" part...I can't see half the Damn Mountains and store-fronts in those pics...I don't do Facebook so I can only vote via email...Janet & Chaka are way on the Bottom...If the Voting continues the way it's going, they'll throw in Tupac so they'll have one Inductee of Color...

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Reply #65 posted 10/27/16 4:39am

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Reply #66 posted 10/27/16 6:18pm

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I'm Voting but I'm about sick of the "You must pass the I'm not a Robot" part...I can't see half the Damn Mountains and store-fronts in those pics...I don't do Facebook so I can only vote via email...Janet & Chaka are way on the Bottom...If the Voting continues the way it's going, they'll throw in Tupac so they'll have one Inductee of Color...

I see what u mean with those those shop front pics pout and Chic probably won't make it too cause they too are near the bottom of the list. But then again, it's saying we can cast one ballot per day through December 5th, 2016. So maybe there is a chance to change the standings hmmm Here is the Current Standings when I made my vote.

JOURNEY

53911 votes

ELECTRIC LIGHT ORCHESTRA (ELO)

49815 votes

THE CARS

46247 votes

YES

44686 votes

PEARL JAM

43659 votes

STEPPENWOLF

30541 votes

DEPECHE MODE

26540 votes

THE J. GEILS BAND

24127 votes

JOAN BAEZ

19100 votes

THE ZOMBIES

18965 votes

JANE'S ADDICTION

18353 votes

TUPAC SHAKUR

17203 votes

JANET JACKSON

17073 votes

CHAKA KHAN

15261 votes

KRAFTWERK

12193 votes

MC5

12031 votes

CHIC

11897 votes

BAD BRAINS

11052 votes

JOE TEX

4036 votes

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Reply #67 posted 10/27/16 6:54pm

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2017 Nominee Fan Vote | R...ll of Fame

did everyone vote yet? Looks like Journey and ELO are in the lead right now

Thanks! Voted.

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Reply #68 posted 10/27/16 7:51pm

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Chancellor said:


I'm Voting but I'm about sick of the "You must pass the I'm not a Robot" part...I can't see half the Damn Mountains and store-fronts in those pics...I don't do Facebook so I can only vote via email...Janet & Chaka are way on the Bottom...If the Voting continues the way it's going, they'll throw in Tupac so they'll have one Inductee of Color...




I see what u mean with those those shop front pics pout and Chic probably won't make it too cause they too are near the bottom of the list. But then again, it's saying we can cast one ballot per day through December 5th, 2016. So maybe there is a chance to change the standings hmmm Here is the Current Standings when I made my vote.







JOURNEY




53911 votes




ELECTRIC LIGHT ORCHESTRA (ELO)




49815 votes




THE CARS




46247 votes




YES




44686 votes




PEARL JAM




43659 votes




STEPPENWOLF




30541 votes




DEPECHE MODE




26540 votes




THE J. GEILS BAND




24127 votes




JOAN BAEZ




19100 votes




THE ZOMBIES




18965 votes




JANE'S ADDICTION




18353 votes




TUPAC SHAKUR




17203 votes




JANET JACKSON




17073 votes




CHAKA KHAN




15261 votes




KRAFTWERK




12193 votes




MC5




12031 votes




CHIC




11897 votes




BAD BRAINS




11052 votes




JOE TEX




4036 votes




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One thing is people don't know what Rock & Roll is or the history behind it. No offense, but a lot of folks maybe the majority think of ot as "white boy guitar music."

A perfect example of that is one of it's own inductees last year Gene Simmons.

Just go online and you'll see the remarks about Tupac and Janet Jackson. To them Hip-Hop has no place in the Rock Hall. Even Janet people are saying she is not "rock" enough.

As you can see by the voting, 4 of the bottom 7 acts are R&B. The top 11 are a variation of Rock.

The very first class of inductees in 1986 were
Chuck Berry
Little Richard
Sam Cooke
James Brown
Ray Charles
Fats Domino
Elvis Presley
Buddy Holly
Jerry Lee Lewis
Everly Brothers
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Reply #69 posted 10/27/16 8:46pm

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LittleBLUECorvette said:

One thing is people don't know what Rock & Roll is or the history behind it. No offense, but a lot of folks maybe the majority think of ot as "white boy guitar music."

Not counting the early guys like Chuck Berry, rock has pretty much been mostly white or at least the popular bigger selling acts were. Technically, it wasn't even called rock n' roll until white performers started doing it. When it was mostly black performers, it was called "rhythm & blues" and "race music" before that. That's how Elvis Presley, Conway Twitty, and Jerry Lee Lewis got R&B hits early in their careers. Rock n' roll wasn't much different from the R&B of the time. When there used to be Album Oriented Rock radio stations, 98% of the playlist was white male acts. The only non white acts I heard was occasionally Jimi Hendrix, Santana, Jon Butcher Axis, Robert Cray, and Living Colour. Jimi and Robert Cray had white guys in their bands, and Santana was a mixed band too. It's like early professional basketball was pretty much white, but basketball is not considered a white sport in the USA today, maybe golf and hockey are. Even with many black people, rock is considered white music. How many overly rock sounding acts got R&B airplay? They played so-called "blue eyed soul" acts like Average White Band, Doobie Borthers, Teena Marie, and Hall & Oates. But they didn't play the Bus Boys, Fishbone, or Jon Butcher.

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Some later rock has less blues influence and more European influence, particularly progressive rock. Notice that Jann Wenner has never really been that fond of prog, metal, punk, or alternative rock which all had lesser blues, gospel, or R&B influence and there's not much of those kinds of acts in the hall. I think Genesis got in because of their 1980s period although the 1970s classic lineup was inducted.

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You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #70 posted 10/27/16 9:18pm

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MickyDolenz said:



LittleBLUECorvette said:


One thing is people don't know what Rock & Roll is or the history behind it. No offense, but a lot of folks maybe the majority think of ot as "white boy guitar music."



Not counting the early guys like Chuck Berry, rock has pretty much been mostly white or at least the popular bigger selling acts were. Technically, it wasn't even called rock n' roll until white performers started doing it. When it was mostly black performers, it was called "rhythm & blues" and "race music" before that. That's how Elvis Presley, Conway Twitty, and Jerry Lee Lewis got R&B hits early in their careers. Rock n' roll wasn't much different from the R&B of the time. When there used to be Album Oriented Rock radio stations, 98% of the playlist was white male acts. The only non white acts I heard was occasionally Jimi Hendrix, Santana, Jon Butcher Axis, Robert Cray, and Living Colour. Jimi and Robert Cray had white guys in their bands, and Santana was a mixed band too. It's like early professional basketball was pretty much white, but basketball is not considered a white sport in the USA today, maybe golf and hockey are. Even with many black people, rock is considered white music. How many overly rock sounding acts got R&B airplay? They played so-called "blue eyed soul" acts like Average White Band, Doobie Borthers, Teena Marie, and Hall & Oates. But they didn't play the Bus Boys, Fishbone, or Jon Butcher.


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Some later rock has less blues influence and more European influence, particularly progressive rock. Notice that Jann Wenner has never really been that fond of prog, metal, punk, or alternative rock which all had lesser blues, gospel, or R&B influence and there's not much of those kinds of acts in the hall. I think Genesis got in because of their 1980s period although the 1970s classic lineup was inducted.

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Rock & Roll and Rock music is a totally different thing.

You already touched on Rock & Roll how it came from R&B and race records.

Rock music came from British Invasion artist covering early soul (and blues) artist IMO.

Rock & Roll (that sound of the mid 50s) was over by the what early 60s at the latest. That's when Soul emerged.

What was post Rock & Roll and pre Rock band like Gerry and the Pacemakers caterogorized as? And artist in that vein.
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Reply #71 posted 10/27/16 10:16pm

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Rock & Roll and Rock music is a totally different thing.

Not really. That's like saying "outlaw country" and "country" are totally different or "soul" and "funk" is totally different than "R&B". Just a later version of the sound. When people say jazz, there's different types like swing, modal, bop, free, smooth, fusion, Latin jazz, etc. But they're all still under the jazz umbrella. If you listen to hard rock and metal songs, many mention "rock n' roll" in the lyrics. KISS' most well known song says "rock n roll all nite and party every day". KISS doesn't really sound like early rock, but the Stary Cats does. Early rock was more rockabilly. You could say the Stray Cats or Big Bad Voodoo Daddy sound more like earlier R&B than Usher, Beyoncé, and Luther Vandross does. But Luther is still called R&B. If "rock and roll" and "rock" are totally different, then Marvin Gaye is totally different than Louis Jordan. Why are they both called R&B? Why is Roy Ayers, Grover Washington Jr, Kenny G, and Patrice Rushen called jazz when their music has little in common with Bix Beiderbecke? If you listen to country music from the 1940s, many of the singers sound closer to Bing Crosby style crooner singing than they do to Reba McEntire. 1940s country also sometimes had a jazz element to it like Bob Wills & His Texas Playboys. The music of Barbara Mandrell and Eddie Rabbitt doesn't sound like that.

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #72 posted 10/28/16 2:10am

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Not counting the early guys like Chuck Berry, rock has pretty much been mostly white or at least the popular bigger selling acts were. Technically, it wasn't even called rock n' roll until white performers started doing it. When it was mostly black performers, it was called "rhythm & blues" and "race music" before that. That's how Elvis Presley, Conway Twitty, and Jerry Lee Lewis got R&B hits early in their careers. Rock n' roll wasn't much different from the R&B of the time. When there used to be Album Oriented Rock radio stations, 98% of the playlist was white male acts. The only non white acts I heard was occasionally Jimi Hendrix, Santana, Jon Butcher Axis, Robert Cray, and Living Colour. Jimi and Robert Cray had white guys in their bands, and Santana was a mixed band too. It's like early professional basketball was pretty much white, but basketball is not considered a white sport in the USA today, maybe golf and hockey are. Even with many black people, rock is considered white music. How many overly rock sounding acts got R&B airplay? They played so-called "blue eyed soul" acts like Average White Band, Doobie Borthers, Teena Marie, and Hall & Oates. But they didn't play the Bus Boys, Fishbone, or Jon Butcher.

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Some later rock has less blues influence and more European influence, particularly progressive rock. Notice that Jann Wenner has never really been that fond of prog, metal, punk, or alternative rock which all had lesser blues, gospel, or R&B influence and there's not much of those kinds of acts in the hall. I think Genesis got in because of their 1980s period although the 1970s classic lineup was inducted.

Saying it was called "race music' is watering it down...Rock'N Roll was originally called "Nigger Music" until White Artists came a long...

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Reply #73 posted 10/28/16 6:19am

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MickyDolenz said:



LittleBLUECorvette said:


Rock & Roll and Rock music is a totally different thing.

Not really. That's like saying "outlaw country" and "country" are totally different or "soul" and "funk" is totally different than "R&B". Just a later version of the sound. When people say jazz, there's different types like swing, modal, bop, free, smooth, fusion, Latin jazz, etc. But they're all still under the jazz umbrella. If you listen to hard rock and metal songs, many mention "rock n' roll" in the lyrics. KISS' most well known song says "rock n roll all nite and party every day". KISS doesn't really sound like early rock, but the Stary Cats does. Early rock was more rockabilly. You could say the Stray Cats or Big Bad Voodoo Daddy sound more like earlier R&B than Usher, Beyoncé, and Luther Vandross does. But Luther is still called R&B. If "rock and roll" and "rock" are totally different, then Marvin Gaye is totally different than Louis Jordan. Why are they both called R&B? Why is Roy Ayers, Grover Washington Jr, Kenny G, and Patrice Rushen called jazz when their music has little in common with Bix Beiderbecke? If you listen to country music from the 1940s, many of the singers sound closer to Bing Crosby style crooner singing than they do to Reba McEntire. 1940s country also sometimes had a jazz element to it like Bob Wills & His Texas Playboys. The music of Barbara Mandrell and Eddie Rabbitt doesn't sound like that.


Rock & Roll, is your acts like Clyde McPhatter and the Drifters or Hank Ballard and the Midnighters. Their music sounded like the future soul more than future rock.

Rock & Roll was gone in the early 60s. Little Richard, Berry and Elvis were not around any more. Clyde and Hank were now considered R&B. Buddy Holly was gone. Jerry Lee Lewis was already doin cover records from the mid 50s like Ray Charles What I Say among others.
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Rock & Roll, is your acts like Clyde McPhatter and the Drifters or Hank Ballard and the Midnighters. Their music sounded like the future soul more than future rock. Rock & Roll was gone in the early 60s. Little Richard, Berry and Elvis were not around any more. Clyde and Hank were now considered R&B. Buddy Holly was gone. Jerry Lee Lewis was already doin cover records from the mid 50s like Ray Charles What I Say among others.

What it originally was is not really relevant today. The swastika is a really old symbol that meant something else, but now it is associated with the Nazis and hate groups. Gay was happy, and faggot was a bundle of sticks. But how many people think of happiness and sticks when those words are used now? Rock n roll is now primarily white guitar based acts. If it still had the meaning you say, then terms like "Black rock", "Latin rock" and "Afropunk" would not be necessary. Rock is now white by default, so there's a Black Rock Coalition to specifically point out black performers who make rock music. There's was a big deal made about Unlocking The Truth, black teenagers who perform metal instead of rap or R&B.

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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MickyDolenz said:



LittleBLUECorvette said:


Rock & Roll, is your acts like Clyde McPhatter and the Drifters or Hank Ballard and the Midnighters. Their music sounded like the future soul more than future rock. Rock & Roll was gone in the early 60s. Little Richard, Berry and Elvis were not around any more. Clyde and Hank were now considered R&B. Buddy Holly was gone. Jerry Lee Lewis was already doin cover records from the mid 50s like Ray Charles What I Say among others.



What it originally was is not really relevant today. The swastika is a really old symbol that meant something else, but now it is associated with the Nazis and hate groups. Gay was happy, and faggot was a bundle of sticks. But how many people think of happiness and sticks when those words are used now? Rock n roll is now primarily white guitar based acts. If it still had the meaning you say, then terms like "Black rock", "Latin rock" and "Afropunk" would not be necessary. Rock is now white by default, so there's a Black Rock Coalition to specifically point out black performers who make rock music. There's was a big deal made about Unlocking The Truth, black teenagers who perform metal instead of rap or R&B.


Rock & Roll is the top of the good chain. And everything else in popular music splinters from it.

It's basicallythe pop music hall of fame, but rock and roll sounds much much better.
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It's basically the pop music hall of fame, but rock and roll sounds much much better.

www.americaspopmusichalloffame.org

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LittleBLUECorvette said:


It's basically the pop music hall of fame, but rock and roll sounds much much better.

www.americaspopmusichalloffame.org


That looks likea joke, judging by whos in from a 3 year span lol.
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Reply #78 posted 10/28/16 2:19pm

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It's disappointing to see that Chic and Chaka Khan are so far down on the list neutral Keep voting,people!

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Reply #79 posted 10/28/16 2:40pm

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keep voting!!

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It's disappointing to see that Chic and Chaka Khan are so far down on the list neutral Keep voting,people!


Joe Tex is freaking last place!!!!!
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SoulAlive said:

SoulAlive said:

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keep voting!!

Will do nod thumbs up!

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Reply #82 posted 10/28/16 8:04pm

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I recommend un-inducting every person bar Gene Simmons and just leave him to his museum to himself.

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Reply #83 posted 10/29/16 1:28am

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Journey,ELO and the Cars are getting the most votes so far.

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LittleBLUECorvette said:

SoulAlive said:

It's disappointing to see that Chic and Chaka Khan are so far down on the list neutral Keep voting,people!

Joe Tex is freaking last place!!!!!

That's a crime! mad

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purplethunder3121 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

SoulAlive said: Joe Tex is freaking last place!!!!!

That's a crime! mad

yeahthat shrug he should have been inducted years ago! I love this song music

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Goddess4Real said:



purplethunder3121 said:




LittleBLUECorvette said:


SoulAlive said: Joe Tex is freaking last place!!!!!

That's a crime! mad




yeahthat shrug he should have been inducted years ago! I love this song music



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If you do reading on Joe Tex and look at his career he should havd easily been a first-ballot hall of famer.

When you look at his contemporaries and I will just name the southern artist. Otis Redding, Sam & Dave, Wilson Pickett and Solomon Burke they are all in the Hall. It's a shame that Percy Sledge (no offense) is in the Rock Hall over Tex. He was actually out charting them all at the same time besides Pickett. Even someone like Otis Redding who you wouod think had amazing chart success. He didn't get his first pop #1 (and R&B) until his tragic death in 67. Before then, he never reached the Pop top 20 or topped the Soul charts. By Reddings death, Tex already had two top 10 pop hits and two top charting soul singles.

He was actually the biggest selling male soul star of the 60s not named James Brown. So he out sold Marvin Gaye and Wilson Pickett in the 60s.

Tex actually began his career the same time as the likes of Little Willie John, Sam Cooke and Chuck Berry. He was on King a whole year before James Brown was discovered by King. He was openning acts for Little Richard and other King artist Hank Ballard and the Midnighters and Clyde McPhatter. That's how far he goes back.

He was out way before other R&B and Soul Hall of Fame performers like Jerry Butler (Curtis Mayfield) & the Impressions, Smokey Robinson, Bobby Womack, Stevie Wonder, Little Anthony and the list goes on. We need to get this man into the Hall where he belongs.
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^^If chart hits was the criteria, then Barry Manilow, Styx, Whitney Houston, Duran Duran, Olivia Newton-John, Salt N Pepa, Lionel Richie, Mariah Carey, Bon Jovi, Huey Lewis & The News, and many other performers would be inducted. Whitney has more big hits than Percy Sledge & Joe Tex put together and she is more well known than them. George Strait has more Top 10 and #1 hit singles on the country chart than anyone else on any other chart, including The Beatles & Michael Jackson. George is not likely to ever be inducted though. They haven't inducted Willie Nelson or George Jones and don't even think they have been nominated.

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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^^If chart hits was the criteria, then Barry Manilow, Styx, Whitney Houston, Duran Duran, Olivia Newton-John, Salt N Pepa, Lionel Richie, Mariah Carey, Bon Jovi, Huey Lewis & The News, and many other performers would be inducted. Whitney has more big hits than Percy Sledge & Joe Tex put together and she is more well known than them. George Strait has more Top 10 and #1 hit singles on the country chart than anyone else on any other chart, including The Beatles & Michael Jackson. George is not likely to ever be inducted though. They haven't inducted Willie Nelson or George Jones and don't even think they have been nominated.


Oh, I know that part. I was just comparing Joe to his contemporaries. They're all in but at the same time Joewas doing just as good or even better. If you're gonna put Sam & Dave in, why not Joe Tex?

None of Whitney's or Straits contemporaries are in.
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Oh, I know that part. I was just comparing Joe to his contemporaries. They're all in but at the same time Joewas doing just as good or even better. If you're gonna put Sam & Dave in, why not Joe Tex? None of Whitney's or Straits contemporaries are in.

Aren't U2 and Prince contemporaries of Whitney? They're in. They came out a few years before Whitney, but popularity wise, they all happened around the same time. Whitney was huge right out the box. U2 & Prince had released a few albums before they got the big mainstream success.

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