StrangeButTrue said:

I only said that because he always mentions Prince in threads (not this one) that have nothing to do with Prince, like other posters bring up Janet Jackson & Beyoncé in threads that are not about them.

NorthC said:

They are talking about all around artists not songs. Most critics hate the Bee Gees.

Queenofcardboard, Son House. A fucking God.

Son House:

QueenofCardboard said:

214 said:

Why do you say Prince is a more creative composer than Sly?

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Who said that?

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NorthC i think

2freaky4church1 said:

Adorecream said:

Shouldn't be any shit hop on the list at all, or any post 2000 only artists. Shit hop has added NOTHING to the tapestry of modern music.

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Are glad that Prince is above MJ and Madonna, that is the one good thing about the list.

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Elvis Presley is waaaaaayyyyyyyy overated, I think Elbvis Costello should be higher than him.

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Who the fuck is the Clark and its Bruce Springsteen not Stien. And its Diana not Dianna.

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2freaky4church1 said:

the interesting thing about the List is that it Mirrors the past inductees into the Rock'n Roll Hall of Fame....

2freaky4church1 said:

As long as you agree that Prince is the best artist.

MotownSubdivision said:

Who jacked this thread?

Those guys arguing about Cat Stevens, Islam, & Jews. Which I don't know what that has to do with a Rolling Stone list.

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Yusef Islam.

2freaky4church1 said:

MichaelJackson5 said:

2freaky4church1 said:

They are talking about all around artists not songs. Most critics hate the Bee Gees.

The hatred towards this act is irrational. There was a period in 1977 or 78 when the entire Billboard Top 10 was songs written and/or performed by the Gibbs.

Yes, the Bee Gees hate certainly is irrational. 1978, they had the best year of any artist in history. Barry Gibb has written more number 1 songs than anyone other than Paul McCartney. They are the second most covered act in history.

I remember when High Civilzation came out in 1991 - their first album with Femi Jiya as engineer. I played a few tracks for someone at work who I knew was a Prince fan but didnt' tell him who it was. I just told him it was someone he had heard before and asked him to guess who it was. He couldn't figure out out, but really liked it. He kept asking, I said "I don't want to tell you because you won't like it anymore." Sure enough, when I told him, he stopped liking it. I had another fried at work, we played the track Dimensions in the car on the way to work out. He ened up buying it. He told me one day he was playing the album with friends over, one of them said "when do people get so old they stop listening to good music like this and start listening to the Bee Gees."

When their next album, Size Isn't Everything came out, a Billboard reviewer said "Better than a comeback, For Whom the Bell Tolls is the best song on radio." Only radio really never played it because of their bizzare anti Bee Gees bias.

The Bee Gees legacy really belongs in that small group of artists that get grouped with the Beatles, instead they get left off all together.

alandail said:

Only radio really never played it because of their bizzare anti Bee Gees bias.

Sounds like when Donny Osmond was trying to make a comeback in the late 1980s and his song Soldier Of Love was played on some radio stations without telling the audience who it was at first. It became a Top 10 hit.

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alandail said:

MichaelJackson5 said:

2freaky4church1 said: The hatred towards this act is irrational. There was a period in 1977 or 78 when the entire Billboard Top 10 was songs written and/or performed by the Gibbs.

Yes, the Bee Gees hate certainly is irrational. 1978, they had the best year of any artist in history. Barry Gibb has written more number 1 songs than anyone other than Paul McCartney. They are the second most covered act in history.

I remember when High Civilzation came out in 1991 - their first album with Femi Jiya as engineer. I played a few tracks for someone at work who I knew was a Prince fan but didnt' tell him who it was. I just told him it was someone he had heard before and asked him to guess who it was. He couldn't figure out out, but really liked it. He kept asking, I said "I don't want to tell you because you won't like it anymore." Sure enough, when I told him, he stopped liking it. I had another fried at work, we played the track Dimensions in the car on the way to work out. He ened up buying it. He told me one day he was playing the album with friends over, one of them said "when do people get so old they stop listening to good music like this and start listening to the Bee Gees."

When their next album, Size Isn't Everything came out, a Billboard reviewer said "Better than a comeback, For Whom the Bell Tolls is the best song on radio." Only radio really never played it because of their bizzare anti Bee Gees bias.

The Bee Gees legacy really belongs in that small group of artists that get grouped with the Beatles, instead they get left off all together.

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It does seem very unfair of Rolling Stone to leave the Bee Gees and Andy Gibb off a list of "Artists", but there was an anti-Bee Gees, anti-disco backlash, because Disco had completely dominated the the radio for a few years.

There was an active campaign against disco trying to convince people that disco was very uncool and I think that a lot of Bee Gees fans became closet Bee Gees fans or stopped listening to them altogether.

Somebody decided that "Disco" did not fall under the umbrella of "Rock N Roll".

I would have to agree with this, but the above list of "Artists", include Pop Artists like Michael Jackson and Madonna.

I guess "Rolling Stone" considers "Pop" to fall under the umbrella of "Rock N Roll".

I suspect that Rolling Stone may have led to charge against Disco and the Bee Gees and Andy Gibb, and rejected "Disco" as a subcategory of Rock N Roll.

And that that is why they couldn't stomach putting the Bee Gees and Andy Gibb on the list.

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I don't really understand what you call pop music, as far as i understand Rock n' Roll mostly is and era that runs from late 50's to the 90´s perhaps. The era in which lots of barriers were broken first of all in music and in society at the same time. But what do i know, right?

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214 said:

I don't really understand what you call pop music, as far as i understand Rock n' Roll mostly is and era that runs from late 50's to the 90´s perhaps. The era in which lots of barriers were broken first of all in music and in society at the same time. But what do i know, right?

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You probably know more about it than I do.

Michael Jackson referred to himself as The King of Pop.

And whatever you call Madonna's music, it sure as hell isn't Rock N Roll.

What kind of music would you say Tori Amos does?

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QueenofCardboard said:

alandail said:

Yes, the Bee Gees hate certainly is irrational. 1978, they had the best year of any artist in history. Barry Gibb has written more number 1 songs than anyone other than Paul McCartney. They are the second most covered act in history.

I remember when High Civilzation came out in 1991 - their first album with Femi Jiya as engineer. I played a few tracks for someone at work who I knew was a Prince fan but didnt' tell him who it was. I just told him it was someone he had heard before and asked him to guess who it was. He couldn't figure out out, but really liked it. He kept asking, I said "I don't want to tell you because you won't like it anymore." Sure enough, when I told him, he stopped liking it. I had another fried at work, we played the track Dimensions in the car on the way to work out. He ened up buying it. He told me one day he was playing the album with friends over, one of them said "when do people get so old they stop listening to good music like this and start listening to the Bee Gees."

When their next album, Size Isn't Everything came out, a Billboard reviewer said "Better than a comeback, For Whom the Bell Tolls is the best song on radio." Only radio really never played it because of their bizzare anti Bee Gees bias.

The Bee Gees legacy really belongs in that small group of artists that get grouped with the Beatles, instead they get left off all together.

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It does seem very unfair of Rolling Stone to leave the Bee Gees and Andy Gibb off a list of "Artists", but there was an anti-Bee Gees, anti-disco backlash, because Disco had completely dominated the the radio for a few years.

There was an active campaign against disco trying to convince people that disco was very uncool and I think that a lot of Bee Gees fans became closet Bee Gees fans or stopped listening to them altogether.

Somebody decided that "Disco" did not fall under the umbrella of "Rock N Roll".

I would have to agree with this, but the above list of "Artists", include Pop Artists like Michael Jackson and Madonna.

I guess "Rolling Stone" considers "Pop" to fall under the umbrella of "Rock N Roll".

I suspect that Rolling Stone may have led to charge against Disco and the Bee Gees and Andy Gibb, and rejected "Disco" as a subcategory of Rock N Roll.

And that that is why they couldn't stomach putting the Bee Gees and Andy Gibb on the list.

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The Bee Gees were never even called Disco before Saturday Night Fever. They also had a successful career before there was even such a thing as disco. They also made some fantasitc music after the bizzare disco backlash. Their music was also played on classic rock stations before they got oddly labled as a disco group. They were a pop/funk/R&B/soul band.

Listen to To Love Somebody, How Can You Mend a Broken Heart, Lonely Days, Jive Talkin', Nights on Broadway. These aren't disco. 46 years recording, 200 million records sold, and they are forever labeled the dredded disco over a handful of songs, most of which would simply be called the acceptable dance music had they been released a few years later. It doesn't matter what label you put on it, Stayin' Alive is brilliant.

And post disco backlash, they released more fantastic songs, like You Win Again, One, For Whom the Bell Tolls, Alone, This is Where I Came In, Omega Man, Blue Island, Ghost Train, Dimensions, and the funky Human Sacrifice.

And there is also the massive success they had writing for other artists.

QueenofCardboard said:

214 said:

I don't really understand what you call pop music, as far as i understand Rock n' Roll mostly is and era that runs from late 50's to the 90´s perhaps. The era in which lots of barriers were broken first of all in music and in society at the same time. But what do i know, right?

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You probably know more about it than I do.

Michael Jackson referred to himself as The King of Pop.

And whatever you call Madonna's music, it sure as hell isn't Rock N Roll.

What kind of music would you say Tori Amos does?

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Pop it's a genre, anyway? i would say it's not. I for one, think that music it's not that easy to classify, nay times i have read here and there that Prince mad pop music, others say it's funk music, others say is r&b and so on... the same with Michael,Stevie or The Beatles.

alandail said:

I don't think anyone that was primarily associated with disco had much Top 40 radio airplay after the "disco sucks" campaign and the demolition/riot at the baseball game. Right after that, acts like Air Supply & Christopher Cross became really popular on Top 40. There was some country crossover as well, probably helped by the success of the movie Urban Cowboy and The Dukes Of Hazzard on TV, plus Dolly Parton acting in 9 To 5 and the Mandrell Sisters getting a prime time variety show on NBC. Although set in cities, you could say the characters on shows like Dallas, BJ & The Bear, and Sherriff Lobo were kind of countryish too. This is the time of Kenny Rogers' greatest popularity. Kenny was so popular, they made some movies based on his song The Gambler.


Post disco, Donna Summer is mainly known for She Works Hard For The Money, although she had a few other hits. KC & The Sunshine Band's radio airplay died and so did Barry White's, until Barry had success in the mid 1990s with Practice What You Preach. The Doobie Brothers weren't considered disco, so they still recieved some Top 40 airplay afterwards as well as Michael McDonald when he went solo. Same for late 1970s arena rock bands like Styx, Foreigner, & Journey. George Benson & Al Jarreau had Top 40 success in the early 1980s too, but they were never labeled disco.

MickyDolenz said:

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Post disco, Donna Summer is mainly known for She Works Hard For The Money, although she had a few other hits. KC & The Sunshine Band's radio airplay died and so did Barry White's, until Barry had success in the mid 1990s with Practice What You Preach. The Doobie Brothers weren't considered disco, so they still received some Top 40 airplay afterwards as well as Michael McDonald when he went solo. Same for late 1970s arena rock bands like Styx, Foreigner, & Journey. George Benson & Al Jarreau had Top 40 success in the early 1980s too, but they were never labeled disco.

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I am confused about your point. Are you suggesting that the music they produced was disco, but somehow nobody noticed and that is why they were allowed to be successful?

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These bands weren't labeled as disco because they weren't disco.

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Remember this song?

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"Miss You" is a song written by Mick Jagger and Keith Richards. It was released as a single by The Rolling Stones on Rolling Stones Records in May 1978, one month in advance of their album Some Girls, and peaked at number one on the Billboard Hot 100. An extended version, called the "Special Disco Version", was released as the band's first dance remix on a 12-inch single.

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MickyDolenz said:

I don't think anyone that was primarily associated with disco had much Top 40 radio airplay after the "disco sucks" campaign and the demolition/riot at the baseball game. Right after that, acts like Air Supply & Christopher Cross became really popular on Top 40. There was some country crossover as well, probably helped by the success of the movie Urban Cowboy and The Dukes Of Hazzard on TV, plus Dolly Parton acting in 9 To 5 and the Mandrell Sisters getting a prime time variety show on NBC. Although set in cities, you could say the characters on shows like Dallas, BJ & The Bear, and Sherriff Lobo were kind of countryish too. This is the time of Kenny Rogers' greatest popularity. Kenny was so popular, they made some movies based on his song The Gambler.


Post disco, Donna Summer is mainly known for She Works Hard For The Money, although she had a few other hits. KC & The Sunshine Band's radio airplay died and so did Barry White's, until Barry had success in the mid 1990s with Practice What You Preach. The Doobie Brothers weren't considered disco, so they still recieved some Top 40 airplay afterwards as well as Michael McDonald when he went solo. Same for late 1970s arena rock bands like Styx, Foreigner, & Journey. George Benson & Al Jarreau had Top 40 success in the early 1980s too, but they were never labeled disco.

Kenny Rogers biggest crossover success came in 1983 when the Bee Gees wrote and Barry Gibb produced the album Eyes that See in the Dark for him, which include the Dolly Parton Duet, Islands in the Stream, the most successful song either recorded.

Barbra Streisand had her most successful album in 1980 when the Bee Gees wrote and Barry Gibb produced the album Guilty for her. That album was nominated for 5 grammys and won 1 (best Duet with Barry Gibb on the title track).

Thier music still got played on radio in the US, and was very successful. But only if they didn't record it themselves, which is rediculous. Internationally it was a different story where they had 8 different songs hit the top 10 somewhere in the world. This was their biggest hit - you win again. It was a monster hit everywhere it was played (including a few scattered cities in the US)

https://www.youtube.com/w...ZY9oYSSjFI

QueenofCardboard said:

I am confused about your point. Are you suggesting that the music they produced was disco, but somehow nobody noticed and that is why they were allowed to be successful

The point is they were popular the same time as the disco acts in the late 1970s. But since they weren't disco, they continued to get airplay into the 1980s, when acts that were called disco like the Bee Gees & Donna Summer (and included some R&B acts) were dropped quickly from Top 40 playlists and why its not really taken seriously today by the rock press. It's not something they relate to. It's like when non-disco acts (Rod Stewart, Rolling Stones, Kiss, Chicago, etc) made disco songs they were accused of selling out. So it was an organized thing that started with rock DJs/fans with the "disco sucks" campaign. That has not really happened to any other mainstream popular genre. Others might have lost popularity after awhile like 1980s glam metal or new wave. But there wasn't an effort to just all of a sudden to basically ban it from airplay. It's interesting that John Travolta was the was involved in the the big crazes of that time period: disco (Saturday Night Fever), Happy Days style 50s nostalgia (Grease), and country/bull riding (Urban Cowboy).

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On the R&B side, disco was accused by some of killing the careers of soul singers who couldn't adapt or that they were forced to record disco albums by the labels the artists weren't interested in doing. So it wasn't only the rock fans. On the local adult R&B station today that play older R&B/soul, they play few if any disco style tracks that were R&B hits, but will play Maze from the same era.