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Don't forget when the album came out... Right around 9/11. That kind of ruined whatever good there was of the album. I remember some radio stations shying away from YRMW because of the title and how it could've been related to 9/11. Just unfortunate timing in that regard. I don't think anyone could. Glad to hear I wasn't the only one triggered by the fire in the video that time, though I got over it and loved the video regardless. I never heard that about the radio though I remember it was a popular track on playlists. I know Mariah flopped too that time but I never understood using 9/11 as a reason cause it clearly did not affect jay z's or Britney Spears sales at the same time. Scorp, it was being played in mid to late August, 2 months before the release date. Leading up to the album release within the month, butterflies and the other ballads were staples on urban radio. Heaven can wait even charted in summer 2002 on the billboard r&b/hip hop chart towards the bottom on AirPlay alone | |
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I have to disagree with you all, I love Invincible and its a great album, there are some lesser songs but songs like Break of Dawn, Speechless, Unbreakable whatever happens, heaven can wait, YRMW, Butterflies and 2000 Watts are just dope. I think he still had it. The album is only bad in the sense it is not as good as the albums before it, and he may have been a bit past it by then. . I actually think Invincible should have done better, 2001 was a yuck year for music, songs like I got high by Afroman and the terrible cover of Smooth Criminal by Alien Ant Farm were hits and people like Ja Rule and Nelly were the trend setters along with Sisqo and the rest. I mean really, Invincible was the one bright spot in a terrible year (Remembering Prince gave us the super shitty Rainbow Children dogma experience). Got some kind of love for you, and I don't even know your name | |
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In my hometown, YRMW was introduced as early as the end of June of 2001, and month later Butterflies, then by August, both songs were played back to back during peak hours on the airwaves.
Rodney Jerkins did an interview w/VIBE magazine during the spring of 1999 already letting the public know he and Michael was in the studio in the beginning stages of producing his latest record..... | |
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Unbreakable is too a great song, but the album as a whole it is not really as good as the others before. | |
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Went back to listen to Invincible.. Heaven Can Wait is so under rated. | |
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From the vocal performance point of view yes, but lyrics i have to say are just a little corny or silly, i love that song, though. | |
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Yes but the positivity in the song was refreshing "You're beautiful, you're wonderful, incredible" compared all the Ja Rule, fake thugs plenny of wommin type shit blowing up the charts. Think of it, that next to songs like the sweat drip from my ballz and move bitch, get out of the way. . MJ was one of the last pop singers to make songs that did not call women bitches or hoes, sing about drugs and shooting people, while drinking champagne and hennasee wearing bling bling by Gucci. Michael was one of the last pure beacons, before the descent into buffoonery. [Edited 10/7/16 16:29pm] Got some kind of love for you, and I don't even know your name | |
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Yes, although Prince called women bitches and other things like that, but this song is just incredible beautiful, those lines you mention and his otherworldly vocal performance; beautiful song it's just like heaven on earth everytime you listen to it. | |
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Yes but the positivity in the song was refreshing "You're beautiful, you're wonderful, incredible" compared all the Ja Rule, fake thugs plenny of wommin type shit blowing up the charts. Think of it, that next to songs like the sweat drip from my ballz and move bitch, get out of the way. . MJ was one of the last pop singers to make songs that did not call women bitches or hoes, sing about drugs and shooting people, while drinking champagne and hennasee wearing bling bling by Gucci. Michael was one of the last pure beacons, before the descent into buffoonery. [Edited 10/7/16 16:29pm] I agree it was very tasteful and I definitely preferred it to what was out at the time from male artists of similar genres. I played it all and I guess it's unfair to compare it to his past and take it for what it is. It's good but not his greatest work. Scorpio-I think you've got your months mixed up. It was in July of 2001 as per the mjifc fan club it was announced that you rock my world will be the first single. If it started charting at least mid August, then late July/early August for being played underground before the leak sounds believable. June is utter bullshit. Sorry but it's true. It's all good though, it was 15 years ago and we're all getting old  [Edited 10/7/16 19:16pm] | |
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alphastreet said: Adorecream said:
Yes but the positivity in the song was refreshing "You're beautiful, you're wonderful, incredible" compared all the Ja Rule, fake thugs plenny of wommin type shit blowing up the charts. Think of it, that next to songs like the sweat drip from my ballz and move bitch, get out of the way. . MJ was one of the last pop singers to make songs that did not call women bitches or hoes, sing about drugs and shooting people, while drinking champagne and hennasee wearing bling bling by Gucci. Michael was one of the last pure beacons, before the descent into buffoonery. [Edited 10/7/16 16:29pm] I agree it was very tasteful and I definitely preferred it to what was out at the time from male artists of similar genres. I played it all and I guess it's unfair to compare it to his past and take it for what it is. It's good but not his greatest work. Scorpio-I think you've got your months mixed up. It was in July of 2001 as per the mjifc fan club it was announced that you rock my world will be the first single. If it started charting at least mid August, then late July/early August for being played underground before the leak sounds believable. June is utter bullshit. Sorry but it's true. It's all good though, it was 15 years ago and we're all getting old, I can't wrap my mind around how long it's been and what's happened since, crazy. [Edited 10/7/16 19:16pm] | |
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no it ain't all good
I don't have to make stuff up about this story, about this experience, about when something went down......
what activity took place at a fan club doesn't dictate timeframe of when something actually happened.
I didn't say YRMW was released as a official single in June of 2001, I said that's when the leading urban station in my hometown first played it on the airwaves as a promo to w/the intention of stoking interest in the future release of Invinbible four months later....
the problem, or I should say the confusion is centers around who was put in position to promote what and what the whole intension of that album was, INVINCIBLE was geared towards the urban audience, that's why the perception has been given by commerical entertainment sources that the album never received adequate promotion, it was not geared towards Pop radio like Dangerous and History was
To show I don't make stuff up and that YRMW was already being played before July,
Jay-Z was performing at that year's summer jam concert and brought Michael Jackson on stage with him after he performed IZZO HOVA
that concert happened towards the end of June, June 28th 2001 to be exact.......I heard YRMW for the first time weeks before that moment.......
MJ already knew the day he started working on INVINCIBLE, by the end of the 90s, Pop radio had moved beyond him and the only way he could truly restore his career was by regaining the support of the urban audience
It's all good now
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Can a MJ even be sacred from that fish lipped illuminati clown who is pretty much responsible for the tide of shit hop and Beyonce type drivel on the charts. [Edited 10/7/16 20:30pm] Got some kind of love for you, and I don't even know your name | |
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Scorp said:
no it ain't all good
I don't have to make stuff up about this story, about this experience, about when something went down.....
what activity took place at a fan club doesn't dictate timeframe of when something actually happened.
I didn't say YRMW was released as a official single in June of 2001, I said that's when the leading urban station in my hometown first played it on the airwaves as a promo to w/the intention of stoking interest in the future release of Invinbible four months later....
the problem, or I should say the confusion is centers around who was put in position to promote what and what the whole intension of that album was, INVINCIBLE was geared towards the urban audience, that's why the perception has been given by commerical entertainment sources that the album never received adequate promotion, it was not geared towards Pop radio like Dangerous and History was
To show I don't make stuff up and that YRMW was already being played before July,
Jay-Z was performing at that year's summer jam concert and brought Michael Jackson on stage with him after he performed IZZO HOVA
that concert happened towards the end of June, June 28th 2001 to be exact.....I heard YRMW for the first time weeks before that moment.....
MJ already knew the day he started working on INVINCIBLE, by the end of the 90s, Pop radio had moved beyond him and the only way he could truly restore his career was by regaining the support of the urban audience
It's all good now
[Edited 10/7/16 20:30pm] That's another conversation, I don't like liars either or people being underestimated. Have seen enough of that shit from his own fans. He obviously knew the same thing you are saying based on who he felt he had to work with to get noticed. All the hot artists at the time. Still did it well but I would be lying if I said there was no redundancy with invincible. I remember him appearing with jay z, and before that at jingle ball. Release dates kept coming out and getting pushed back from 99-01. I am beginning to believe with time, and rightfully so due to what he endured anxiety was keeping him from coming back sooner. I think at the point of the millennium would have been fabulous, and then those millennium concerts had to get cancelled  I wonder if he felt worried prince would be overshadowed for his hbo special cause I dont think there was a need to and it would have been massive for both. I know he had a back injury, kids, lupus, hay fever, whatever but too many excuses I still feel sad for him and wish things were better than they turned out but it all is too upsetting and it's best now for me personally not to focus on it all the time although it's so Unjust and angering what happened and absolutely not ok, and no pun intended, dangerous.
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Adorecream said: I have to disagree with you all, I love Invincible and its a great album, there are some lesser songs but songs like Break of Dawn, Speechless, Unbreakable whatever happens, heaven can wait, YRMW, Butterflies and 2000 Watts are just dope. I think he still had it. The album is only bad in the sense it is not as good as the albums before it, and he may have been a bit past it by then. . I actually think Invincible should have done better, 2001 was a yuck year for music, songs like I got high by Afroman and the terrible cover of Smooth Criminal by Alien Ant Farm were hits and people like Ja Rule and Nelly were the trend setters along with Sisqo and the rest. I mean really, Invincible was the one bright spot in a terrible year (Remembering Prince gave us the super shitty Rainbow Children dogma experience). Yes, I agree with this almost 100% (I liked Rainbow Children). Invincible is a very underrated album. It was shit on by a lot of critics because it wouldn't have mattered if MJ had released a masterpiece, the same critics still would have shit on it. I mentioned before in another thread that Michael Jackson was underrated by a lot of the music press because he was so famous for things he did outside of music. And despite reports saying the album flopped it was still a huge seller. Most artists would kill for a "flop" like that. | |
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So, a couple friends of mine run The MJ Cast, one of the best Michael Jackson podcasts out there. Think of your favorite Prince podcasters - whether it's Peach & Black, or Michael Dean, etc....That's the calibre of The MJ Cast, for MJ fans.
I approached them a while back about having a full on round table discussion about Prince and Michael, respectfully comparing and discussing their careers, their feelings about each other, their different approaches to making music, etc, etc. The aim being that people who are mostly into one, might learn about the other. The recording was a huge success, and went on for so long that it's been split into two episodes. The discussion group was made up of very knowledgeable fans (including myself) all of whom are fans of both artists and can intellectually discuss both without silly tabloid rivalry discussions. It was a fantastic discussion with lots of different opinions and great topics covered.
The first episode is out now. You can listen to it by clicking the picture below, or you can search for it using your regular podcasting apps.
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Thanks, I will def check this out Keep Calm & Listen To Prince | |
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Looks great, I wanna give it a spin too, anyone who is into Prince and Michael Jackson deserves my respect. We are a rare breed. . 214, Prince mayhave called women bitches a couple of times, but the majorityof his times, the song was about love and sex in a sensual rather than filthy way. Prince had more sensitivity than the artists I refer too, shit hoppers, dirty R and B singers like Missy Elliot and R Kelly. Before people say I play the race card, I also meant most metal acts and rock acts that sing about women as products and whores. But MJ never ever called a woman a bitch or a ho in his songs and always sung sincere love songs, not disgusting rape lyrics. Even break of dawn which is about all night getting your freak on is presneted sweetly and beautifully.
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luvesexy4all asked in the Rod Temperton post what songs did MJ actually write so I made a list of the songs MJ wrote and co-wrote that have been released
Sole writer Blues Away Don't Stop Til You Get Enough* Working Day And Night This Place Hotel* Night Time Lover [for LaToya Jackson]* Muscles [for Diana Ross]* Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'* The Girl Is Mine* Beat It* Billie Jean* Centipede [for Rebbie Jackson]* We Are Here To Change The World Bad* The Way You Make Me Feel* Speed Demon Liberian Girl* Another Part of Me* I Just Can't Stop Loving You * Dirty Diana* Smooth Criminal* Leave Me Alone* Heal The World* Black or White* Who Is It Will You Be There* They Don't Care About Us* Stranger In Moscow* Earth Song* D.S. Money* Childhood Little Susie Morphine Speechless The Lost Children Don't Be Messin' 'Round The Way You Love Me Loving You What More Can I Give Price of Fame Abortion Papers Al Capone I'm So Blue Free Got The Hots Streetwalker Fly Away Do You Know Where Your Children Are Best of Joy Much Too Soon Planet Earth Lisa It’s Your Birthday
Co-writer What's Your Game? [for MDLT Willis] Style of Life Different Kind of Lady* Do What You Wanna Push Me Away Things I Do For You Shake Your Body (Down To The Ground)* Destiny* Bless His Soul All Night Dancing That's What You Get For Being Polite Get on The Floor Can You Feel It* Lovely One* Everybody Walk Right Now* Give It Up This Had To Be [for The Brothers Johnson] Say Say Say* The Man* Be Not Always State of Shock* The Hurt You're The One [for Jennifer Holliday] We Are The World [for USA For Africa] Eaten Alive [for Diana Ross]* Mind Is The Magic Alright Now [for Ralph Tresvant] Jam* In The Closet* She Drives Me Wild Remember The Time* Can't Let Her Get Away Give In To Me* Keep The Faith Dangerous Someone Put Your Hand Out Scream* This Time Around* Tabloid Junkie 2 Bad HIStory* On The Line Blood on The Dancefloor* Ghosts* Superfly Sister Is It Scary Unbreakable Heartbreaker Invincible Break of Dawn Heaven Can Wait* You Rock My World* 2000 Watts You Are My LIfe Privacy Don't Walk Away Whatever Happens Threatened All In Your Name Behind The Mask* Cheater Hollywood Tonight* Joy [for Blackstreet]* This Is It* Love Never Felt So Good* A Place With No Name* Xscape Blue Gangsta
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Listening to the podcast, its really deep and they analyse the topic well. One line makes me luagh out loud though, they are discussing MJ's more sexual songs like Break of Dawn, "Michael sings about wanting to make love, Prince sings about fucking" Got some kind of love for you, and I don't even know your name | |
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this mustve been a blast i bet | |
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"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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September 1981- LA Times
"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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as we can see, Michael Jackson was already sporting "the glove" 2 years before Motown 25 hit.
and as he said in his own autobiographical account, he thought wearing one glove was better than wearing two gloves because one glove stood out more..... | |
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Anybody else read the rumor that the song MJ recorded in 1982 for the movie The Toy morphed into Best of Joy? | |
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@bboy87 Cool. Thanks. I love those old reports. | |
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Great list but idon't see Who Is It anywhere | |
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Drake vs. Michael Jackson: Why King Of Pop Still Rules After American Music Awards Record http://www.ibtimes.com/dr...rd-2430537 Keep Calm & Listen To Prince | |
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fixed it "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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fixed it I thought "a place with no name" was a cover song and is from the 1970's.I don't think MJ wrote it | |
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