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Thread started 07/31/16 12:39pm

Psychoniff

Prince vs Sly Stone

In terms of sheer mucianship (singing, lyricism, composition, instrumentals) who was better?

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Reply #1 posted 07/31/16 1:43pm

duccichucka

Prince was God showing the fuck off. I mean, God was really on some 'ish when She said:
"Sly was cool, but I'ma kill 'em with this one . . . " Nelson was not here by chance; no way.

(wrong forum, chief)

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Reply #2 posted 07/31/16 6:44pm

namepeace

I'd prefer "or" over "vs." They weren't adversaries.

Sly broke some new ground. His legacy is secure.

Prince took the baton and sprinted past all other pop musicians of his generation with it.

Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016

Props will be withheld until the showing and proving has commenced. -- Aaron McGruder
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Reply #3 posted 07/31/16 7:26pm

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namepeace said:

I'd prefer "or" over "vs." They weren't adversaries.

Sly broke some new ground. His legacy is secure.

Prince took the baton and sprinted past all other pop musicians of his generation with it.

yeahthat

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato

https://youtu.be/CVwv9LZMah0
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Reply #4 posted 07/31/16 8:43pm

DakotaLady

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[Edited 8/1/16 22:52pm]

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Reply #5 posted 07/31/16 8:48pm

Adorecream

I like Sly and he was a trail blazer, but he ruined his career with the drugs.

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Prince also had the bigger output and musical legacy - Prince by far.

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Psychoniff, I remember you from MJJ forum.

Got some kind of love for you, and I don't even know your name
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Reply #6 posted 07/31/16 8:55pm

free2bfreeda

DakotaLady said:

namepeace said:

I'd prefer "or" over "vs." They weren't adversaries.

Sly broke some new ground. His legacy is secure.

Prince took the baton and sprinted past all other pop musicians of his generation with it.

yeahthat

nod in total agreement

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Reply #7 posted 08/01/16 3:04am

NorthC

As a lyric writer, Prince is the winner. I don't think Sly could ever have thought of lines like "a submarine conquers the virgin sea". As a guitarist, Prince is again the winner, Sly was never really into guitar solos. As a singer, yeah, Prince again. As a musical pioneer, a visionary however, it's Sly. For all his talent and his skills and his sheer awesomeness, there isn't much that Prince did that Sly didn't do before.
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Reply #8 posted 08/01/16 5:18am

mrwiggles

Well you can't deny Sly's enormous influence on Prince. I just don't think he would have been who he was musically, stylistically without Sly. No Sly= no Prince, or a very different Prince.
That being said, no telling what Sly could have done had he not melted down on dope. I think it was angel dust that finally got him. I know of plenty musicians that say Sly is the baddest cat they ever been around. Same with Prince.

Lots of similarities. They both had a sound. Where you knew it was them or derived from them when you heard it. As far as sheer God given talent I give Prince an edge but have to say Sly had more originality. He was the first to do stuff. Multi gendered multi racially band, etc.

Sylvester is also rumored to have a "vault" of unreleased material.

I've said before and will say again there is 2 kinds of pop music, pre and post Sly Stone.

Don't get it twisted, Sly has still been writing and performing music to this day. Check his mind bending contributions to the latest Funkadelic offering Shake The Gate.
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Reply #9 posted 08/01/16 7:46am

Graycap23

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eek

Not even close.

FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent.
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Reply #10 posted 08/01/16 8:14am

smoothcriminal
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Sly is profound but Prince by a mile.

[Edited 8/1/16 8:15am]

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Reply #11 posted 08/01/16 8:19am

thedoorkeeper

Sly might have a vault of
unreleased music eh?
Let's hope he has a will.
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Reply #12 posted 08/01/16 10:07am

Psychoniff

mrwiggles said:

Well you can't deny Sly's enormous influence on Prince. I just don't think he would have been who he was musically, stylistically without Sly. No Sly= no Prince, or a very different Prince. That being said, no telling what Sly could have done had he not melted down on dope. I think it was angel dust that finally got him. I know of plenty musicians that say Sly is the baddest cat they ever been around. Same with Prince. Lots of similarities. They both had a sound. Where you knew it was them or derived from them when you heard it. As far as sheer God given talent I give Prince an edge but have to say Sly had more originality. He was the first to do stuff. Multi gendered multi racially band, etc. Sylvester is also rumored to have a "vault" of unreleased material. I've said before and will say again there is 2 kinds of pop music, pre and post Sly Stone. Don't get it twisted, Sly has still been writing and performing music to this day. Check his mind bending contributions to the latest Funkadelic offering Shake The Gate. [Edited 8/1/16 5:21am] [Edited 8/1/16 5:23am] [Edited 8/1/16 5:31am]

What does that mean? Please elaborate....

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Reply #13 posted 08/01/16 10:11am

Psychoniff

Adorecream said:

I like Sly and he was a trail blazer, but he ruined his career with the drugs.

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Prince also had the bigger output and musical legacy - Prince by far.

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Psychoniff, I remember you from MJJ forum.

Yeah, there's another person on this forum by the name of 'Chicken McNuggets' from the 'Maxjax' forum.

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Reply #14 posted 08/01/16 10:25am

jackson35

it's sly all the way. sly birth prince's style and vision. foh.

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Reply #15 posted 08/01/16 10:29am

NorthC

Graycap23 said:

eek



Not even close.



Who or what is not even close to who or what? Could you please be a bit more specific?
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Reply #16 posted 08/01/16 11:40am

Graycap23

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NorthC said:

Graycap23 said:

eek

Not even close.

Who or what is not even close to who or what? Could you please be a bit more specific?

Prince runs rings around Sly going backwards on 1 leg.

FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent.
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Reply #17 posted 08/01/16 12:20pm

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Prince would whup Sly's ass as a multi instrumentalist...

as a songwriter... Hmmm...? thats a tough one...

Prince was more prolific.. Sly more innovative...

I aint never heard anyone say that Sly sounds like Prince!

ButPrince sure sounds like Sly often. wink

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Reply #18 posted 08/01/16 1:22pm

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MD431Madcat said:

Prince would whup Sly's ass as a multi instrumentalist...

as a songwriter... Hmmm...? thats a tough one...

Prince was more prolific.. Sly more innovative...

I aint never heard anyone say that Sly sounds like Prince!

ButPrince sure sounds like Sly often. wink

Well this is unfair since Sly came first and influenced Prince. Suffice it to say, I've never heard a Sly song that sounds like 'Darling Nikki'. lol Prince is an extremely versatile songwriter.

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Reply #19 posted 08/01/16 1:56pm

purplepolitici
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Sly of course. He was the precursor n just 4 "there is a yellow 1" etc music
For all time I am with you, you are with me.
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Reply #20 posted 08/01/16 2:02pm

free2bfreeda

One must remember that in the time of Sly at his creative height he was the best as a musical innovator of sound and unique in his choice of multi-cultural and gender mix as far as his band mates were concerned.

Imo Prince did have an advantage as far as the development of musical technology.

Sly developed the sound that was a platform for Prince to carry it on and take it further. to me the talent comparison is equal between sly and prince.

gotta go

bbl 2 finish this post.

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Reply #21 posted 08/01/16 4:35pm

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Prince wouldn't be himself without Sly and a bunch of Sly's peers (peers influenced by Sly like George Clinton, that Larry Graham kid, ect.)

How would Prince look in the late 60s' compared to a Sly of the early 80s'? Just imagine a peak Sly in 1983. Would be bananas.

PRINCE: Always and Forever
MICHAEL JACKSON: Always and Forever
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Live Your Life How U Wanna Live It
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Reply #22 posted 08/01/16 5:51pm

HuMpThAnG

MD431Madcat said:

Prince would whup Sly's ass as a multi instrumentalist...

as a songwriter... Hmmm...? thats a tough one...

Prince was more prolific.. Sly more innovative...

I aint never heard anyone say that Sly sounds like Prince!

ButPrince sure sounds like Sly often. wink

OUCH!!!!!

this thread can be closed now

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Reply #23 posted 08/01/16 6:27pm

mrwiggles

Psychoniff said:



mrwiggles said:


Well you can't deny Sly's enormous influence on Prince. I just don't think he would have been who he was musically, stylistically without Sly. No Sly= no Prince, or a very different Prince. That being said, no telling what Sly could have done had he not melted down on dope. I think it was angel dust that finally got him. I know of plenty musicians that say Sly is the baddest cat they ever been around. Same with Prince. Lots of similarities. They both had a sound. Where you knew it was them or derived from them when you heard it. As far as sheer God given talent I give Prince an edge but have to say Sly had more originality. He was the first to do stuff. Multi gendered multi racially band, etc. Sylvester is also rumored to have a "vault" of unreleased material. I've said before and will say again there is 2 kinds of pop music, pre and post Sly Stone. Don't get it twisted, Sly has still been writing and performing music to this day. Check his mind bending contributions to the latest Funkadelic offering Shake The Gate. [Edited 8/1/16 5:21am] [Edited 8/1/16 5:23am] [Edited 8/1/16 5:31am]

What does that mean? Please elaborate....



His rhythmic vision represented a shift in the way muggs approached song writing. Simply put, he changed the game in such a profound way that damn near air thang significant that came in his wake had his stamp on it.
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Reply #24 posted 08/01/16 6:40pm

HuMpThAnG

mrwiggles said:

Psychoniff said:

What does that mean? Please elaborate....

His rhythmic vision represented a shift in the way muggs approached song writing. Simply put, he changed the game in such a profound way that damn near air thang significant that came in his wake had his stamp on it.

nod

again, close this thread

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Reply #25 posted 08/01/16 7:12pm

woogiebear

mrwiggles said:

Well you can't deny Sly's enormous influence on Prince. I just don't think he would have been who he was musically, stylistically without Sly. No Sly= no Prince, or a very different Prince. That being said, no telling what Sly could have done had he not melted down on dope. I think it was angel dust that finally got him. I know of plenty musicians that say Sly is the baddest cat they ever been around. Same with Prince. Lots of similarities. They both had a sound. Where you knew it was them or derived from them when you heard it. As far as sheer God given talent I give Prince an edge but have to say Sly had more originality. He was the first to do stuff. Multi gendered multi racially band, etc. Sylvester is also rumored to have a "vault" of unreleased material. I've said before and will say again there is 2 kinds of pop music, pre and post Sly Stone. Don't get it twisted, Sly has still been writing and performing music to this day. Check his mind bending contributions to the latest Funkadelic offering Shake The Gate. [Edited 8/1/16 5:21am] [Edited 8/1/16 5:23am] [Edited 8/1/16 5:31am]

Buy the Sly Box Set "Higher"!!!!

cool

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Reply #26 posted 08/01/16 7:17pm

Graycap23

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MD431Madcat said:

Prince would whup Sly's ass as a multi instrumentalist...

as a songwriter... Hmmm...? thats a tough one...

Prince was more prolific.. Sly more innovative...

I aint never heard anyone say that Sly sounds like Prince!

ButPrince sure sounds like Sly often. wink

Lol..........damn near every musician worth 2 cent wants to be associated with Prince.

There is a REASON for that. Prinvce is the man.......period.

FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent.
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Reply #27 posted 08/01/16 9:11pm

madhattter

Graycap23 said:

MD431Madcat said:

Prince would whup Sly's ass as a multi instrumentalist...

as a songwriter... Hmmm...? thats a tough one...

Prince was more prolific.. Sly more innovative...

I aint never heard anyone say that Sly sounds like Prince!

ButPrince sure sounds like Sly often. wink

Lol..........damn near every musician worth 2 cent wants to be associated with Prince.

There is a REASON for that. Prinvce is the man.......period.

when it come to innovation and influence over a longer period of time=Sly by a mile, as he played keyboards , guitar, bass drums and harmonica songwriter in a catchy political sense plus a mixed race and gender band that played all genres of music except clasical and a producer as well with his own sub label{ stone flower} and lets not forget that in an interview with Larry Graham by his side prince did admit that. Now Prince, was an outstanding musician as IMO he was a better guitar player he used the new technology of keyboards in an innovative way his drum and bass playing was on par with what I have seen Sly do. Both artist were great front men but prince was ALL musician in that his "high" was all about the music and he carried himself in the greatest of ways. Prince took most of Slys concepts to a higher degree. Unfortunately Sly's drug use ruined his genius all too soon. We can't deny that we are all musically in a better place thanks to both of them.

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Reply #28 posted 08/02/16 3:39am

yello1

No Ray Charles= No Sly Stone No "Guitar Watson" =No Sly ETC

I believe that around the Rave Un2000 Prince try to collaborate with him ...it´s possible? Anyone knows about that or some kind of approach?

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Reply #29 posted 08/02/16 4:05am

MD431Madcat

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cool right on!

mrwiggles said:

Well you can't deny Sly's enormous influence on Prince. I just don't think he would have been who he was musically, stylistically without Sly. No Sly= no Prince, or a very different Prince. That being said, no telling what Sly could have done had he not melted down on dope. I think it was angel dust that finally got him. I know of plenty musicians that say Sly is the baddest cat they ever been around. Same with Prince. Lots of similarities. They both had a sound. Where you knew it was them or derived from them when you heard it. As far as sheer God given talent I give Prince an edge but have to say Sly had more originality. He was the first to do stuff. Multi gendered multi racially band, etc. Sylvester is also rumored to have a "vault" of unreleased material. I've said before and will say again there is 2 kinds of pop music, pre and post Sly Stone. Don't get it twisted, Sly has still been writing and performing music to this day. Check his mind bending contributions to the latest Funkadelic offering Shake The Gate. [Edited 8/1/16 5:21am] [Edited 8/1/16 5:23am] [Edited 8/1/16 5:31am]

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