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How Long should an artist milk an album? It's crazy too me how some artists release 5-7 Singles. And sometimes milk an album for a couple or even s few years! Why do you think the public would make a 5th or 6th single successful? When it's on an album That's been out for over a year and they've probably heard it on there already. I always wonder how long an artist should milk an albums singles and music videos. And when they should let it go? Think of Janet with Rhythm Nation or Bruce Springsteen with Born In The USA. They were releasing singles from the album like 2 years after it was released. Or the most extreme example in recent areas. Katy Perrys fucking Teenage dream shit 🙄 That album came out in 2010 and she was releasing singles for 3 fucking years What's orgers opinions on this? How long should an artist release singles and market an album after its out? Pistols sounded like "Fuck off," wheras The Clash sounded like "Fuck Off, but here's why.."- Thedigitialgardener
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It doesn't make any difference to me. I don't think that happens as much anymore since physical singles are not as much of a market like pre-internet. Back then, not everyone bought the albums, only the songs they heard on the radio. A person might not have liked the first 3 or 4 singles enough to buy them, but bought single number 5. There's also the case that some singles were remixed or different than the album version like No One Is To Blame by Howard Jones. If someone bought Howard's album based on the version on the radio and video, then they might be disappointed. The single version was on a remix album though called Action Replay. Prince's Kiss was slightly different on 45 too. It had a little guitar riff and faded out. The album version went straight into the next song after the word "kiss". I recall Exposé put Point Of No Return, and then about a year later a newly re-recorded version was released with a different lineup, and this lineup became popular. On some albums, songs faded into each other, but the single version was just the song by itself. Then there's non-album singles. Many 1980s hip hop acts never released albums, but only had 12" maxi singles. Singles only was also common with dance music acts like Latin Freestyle and old soul singers & groups. [Edited 7/5/16 19:50pm] You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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MickyDolenz said: It doesn't make any difference to me. I don't think that happens as much anymore since physical singles are not as much of a market like pre-internet. Back then, not everyone bought the albums, only the songs they heard on the radio. A person might not have liked the first 3 or 4 singles enough to buy them, but bought single number 5. There's also the case that some singles were remixed or different than the album version like No One Is To Blame by Howard Jones. If someone bought Howard's album based on the version on the radio and video, then they might be disappointed. The single version was on a remix album though called Action Replay. Prince's Kiss was slightly different on 45 too. It had a little guitar riff and faded out. The album version went straight into the next song after the word "kiss". I recall Exposé put Point Of No Return, and then about a year later a newly re-recorded version was released with a different lineup, and this lineup became popular. On some albums, songs faded into each other, but the single version was just the song by itself. Then there's non-album singles. Many 1980s hip hop acts never released albums, but only had 12" maxi singles. Singles only was also common with dance music acts like Latin Freestyle and old soul singers & groups. [Edited 7/5/16 19:50pm] WOW, all these yrs I didn't notice the slightly different ending of Prince's "Kiss" | |
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they should milk it for as long as there is an interest from the public. if the singles are still going gold 2 years later it makes sense to keep releasing them. you mentioned rhythm nation for example, the 7th and final single was 'love will never do', that song was a smash #1 hit and the video ushered in a major change for janet. now what i dont like is when they keep releasing singles looking for a hit, that seems to be the norm in the current industry, why release 3 singles before an album. | |
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Toni Braxton MILKED her debut Album for years..It had so many great songs that had to be released....Mariah COULD have Milked ALL of her 90's Albums but she decided to keep cranking them out like Babies............and drum-roll........The Bodyguard Soundtrack simply would not die....the 90's was the best decade for music EVER... | |
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Its the "singles" era. I would be glad to see mainstream albums that are worthy of "milking". | |
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You are 100% correct...This is the "singles" era...Every decade ushers in something different... | |
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Until they squeezed the cow dry. | |
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For as long as humanly possible.
When you put your time, heart, soul and energy into crafting a great album you deserve to milk it for all its worth. Thriller came out in 1982, dominated 1983, continued selling and retained its dominant popularity in 1984 and just hit its ceiling some time in 1985 and quietly slid off the charts. Even more amazing is how it managed to remain so popular and be a blockbuster album even in the midst of a slew of hot (new) artists releasing hot, earth-shattering blockbuster albums, themselves. It's not like that now where it seems acts take a number and wait their turn for their album to be the most popular and when it is, it usually doesn't last long. [Edited 7/6/16 16:39pm] | |
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I was really happy that Janet kept releasing singles, as for every single there were amazing remixes!
but anyway, albums are products, if it keeps selling why stop?
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If there is enough mileage in it still then milk it to the max. But does it devalue the album as a whole and make it it a sum of its parts?. [Edited 7/6/16 11:21am] | |
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The answer is: until the public picks up on the album (is aware and STARTS buying), and after the public is aware, once the singles lose steam (STOPS selling). The first couple albums that came to mind were Rhythm Nation and Teenage Dream, so it is funny you mentioned them too. They did seem to last for a couple years each! To be honest, I miss the days when a great album's era could last that long. | |
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Cinny said: The answer is: until the public picks up on the album (is aware and STARTS buying), and after the public is aware, once the singles lose steam (STOPS selling). The first couple albums that came to mind were Rhythm Nation and Teenage Dream, so it is funny you mentioned them too. They did seem to last for a couple years each! To be honest, I miss the days when a great album's era could last that long. Not many albums these days have popularity that's anything more than fleeting. Besides 1989 (ugh), the only other album in recent years that had a long shelf life was Adele's 21. | |
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Cinny said: The answer is: until the public picks up on the album (is aware and STARTS buying), and after the public is aware, once the singles lose steam (STOPS selling). The first couple albums that came to mind were Rhythm Nation and Teenage Dream, so it is funny you mentioned them too. They did seem to last for a couple years each! To be honest, I miss the days when a great album's era could last that long. Not many albums these days have popularity that's anything more than fleeting. Besides 1989 (ugh), the only other album in recent years that had a long shelf life was Adele's 21. | |
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I'd say depends on the album. If it's a double album and it's really good I'd say milk it. | |
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Can that work without remixes and "B" sides? FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent. | |
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I'm not sure how the record industry works but I'm willing to bet it's the record company and management that milks an album. A creative artist, I'd imagine, would get bored playing the same music and would want to create new music. Love is God,
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I wonder if Chubby Checker is tired of singing The Twist for 56 years. This is in June 2016 You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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as long as their utters r intact | |
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Other than the extended version of Billie Jean, none of the other singles from Thriller had any remixes. There were no exclusive B-sides either, unless you count instrumental versions and Can't Get Outta The Rain which is really the Part 2 of the long version of You Can't Win from The Wiz but the word "rain" is substituted for "game". Born In The USA by Bruce Springsteen also had 7 singles. I think the only one that had a remix was Dancing In The Dark. You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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I understand. I guess I was thinking more about todays standards. FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent. | |
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Excellent post!
And to add I also think this is because todays pop stars are not real artists. They don't write or put effort into creating their albums and only look for hot singles or buzz albums that will last for the "now" instead of making a lasting impact. | |
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avajane said: I'm not sure how the record industry works but I'm willing to bet it's the record company and management that milks an album. A creative artist, I'd imagine, would get bored playing the same music and would want to create new music. Prince was one of those artists.However, I will say it's not fair to imply that an act who tries to extract as much success from an album as possible isn't creative or an artist. | |
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mjscarousal said:
Excellent post!
And to add I also think this is because todays pop stars are not real artists. They don't write or put effort into creating their albums and only look for hot singles or buzz albums that will last for the "now" instead of making a lasting impact. Can't really blame them for trying to wring out every last drop of juice possible from their albums though even if most get on my nerves. Let them cash in while hey can and see how they hold up in the future compared to their predecessors. | |
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It's doesn't matter anymore since nobody makes anything good anymore. But if good stuff was still being made, I'd say do it like they did in the 1980s....no longer than a year. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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