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That's exactly the truth. It's not t hat they're not talented, or have their place in music history. But when has Sheila put out an album, and been on the charts? Or Chaka for that matter? "Oh, charts are irrelevant." Yes, well that is the BILLBOARD music awards. This is all about the charts. She was commenting on the state of the industry, not Chaka Khan's talent. . Perry's comments weren't directed at the artists named, but rather toward the idea of Madonna doing the tribute, and the why of it. . By the way, for those who are butthurt by saying "Who is Linda Perry?", you know damn well who she is, so stop. She had 4 Non Blonds, but she has also produced huge hits for P!NK, Christina Aguilera, Jewel, Courtney Love, Gwen Stefani, Alicia Keys, Celine Dion, Blaque, Sugababes, Lillix, Robbie Williams, Melissa Etheridge, Sierra Swan, Solange Knowles, Gavin Rossdale, Juliette and the Licks, Lisa Marie Presley, Fischerspooner, Unwritten Law, L.P., Kelly Osbourne, James Blunt, Cheap Trick, Ben Jelen, Enrique Iglesias and Giusy Ferreri., KT Tunstall, and more and more and more. She's either written for, co-written, or produced hits for every single one of those people. . Remember how big "Beautiful" from Aguilera was? Perry song. Or her Back To Basics album with "Candyman" and "Ain't No Other Man"? Perry work. Shit, don't be obtuse on this, and don't shoot the messenger. Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking. |
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I never said anything about the entertainment value of Chaka Khan vs Madonna, but that Billboard/ABC picked a performer based on popularity. Madonna has sold way more than Chaka. Pretty much the purpose of Billboard is to rank the popularity of songs/albums. So I don't know why people are getting upset about who was chosen, when listing who's "relevant" to the majority is what Billboard magazine (and ratings for TV networks) has always been about. The main charts are the Hot 100 for songs and Top 200 for albums. The rest of the charts are sub-charts for niche audiences (.ig. dance music, jazz, adult R&B, country, classical, AC, modern rock, etc.). The term "Hot 100" does not refer to a specific genre like the others, that's why it's "pop music" short for popular music, which is what sells the most to mainstream USA. So of course they're going to choose someone they think is more of a draw. Today, Madonna's tours make more money than tours by The Time, Larry Graham, Shiela E & Chaka Khan put together. Look at the Original 7ven album Condensate, most people don't know it exists. But the videos from Madonna's most recent release has many millions of views. Recently Billboard has said they're going to use views on Youtube and other streaming sites as part of their criteria for their chart data. That so many views will be the equivalent of gold or platinum sales. . Whenever someone says an act is a "one hit wonder", then they're going by Billboard. When an act releases a Greatest Hits/#1's album, they're going by Billboard. In the thread about the Michel'le movie, people are talking about why is she getting a movie, she only has a few hits. So they're judging her relevancy by Billboard stastistics. Whenever a thread about the TV show Unsung gets started, some people say so and so is too popular to be "unsung". Well, it's pretty much the same thing as this. The makers of Unsung mostly chooses acts that will draw as many people as possible to watch it. They have to sell advertising time to businesses. I get where you're coming from as far as Billboard stands itself so I'm okay with it. If this were the AMA's I would have a different stance. As far as Madonna's popularity goes now I wouldn't know or care since I haven't been interested in anything she's done since the Dallas Austin produced single she had years ago. The only time I know new music from Madonna is coming out is if it's mentioned here. Black Radio hasn't played Madonna since 1986. The Prince tribute isn't going to take up the whole show so it could have been done with the Time, Sheila E., or Chaka. Hell look who the hosts for the show now. Ludicrous nor Ciara are relevant musically now according to Billboard charts so I don't buy into Linda's Hocus Pocus. Don't laugh at my funk
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That's exactly the truth. It's not t hat they're not talented, or have their place in music history. But when has Sheila put out an album, and been on the charts? Or Chaka for that matter? "Oh, charts are irrelevant." Yes, well that is the BILLBOARD music awards. This is all about the charts. She was commenting on the state of the industry, not Chaka Khan's talent. . Perry's comments weren't directed at the artists named, but rather toward the idea of Madonna doing the tribute, and the why of it. . By the way, for those who are butthurt by saying "Who is Linda Perry?", you know damn well who she is, so stop. She had 4 Non Blonds, but she has also produced huge hits for P!NK, Christina Aguilera, Jewel, Courtney Love, Gwen Stefani, Alicia Keys, Celine Dion, Blaque, Sugababes, Lillix, Robbie Williams, Melissa Etheridge, Sierra Swan, Solange Knowles, Gavin Rossdale, Juliette and the Licks, Lisa Marie Presley, Fischerspooner, Unwritten Law, L.P., Kelly Osbourne, James Blunt, Cheap Trick, Ben Jelen, Enrique Iglesias and Giusy Ferreri., KT Tunstall, and more and more and more. She's either written for, co-written, or produced hits for every single one of those people. . Remember how big "Beautiful" from Aguilera was? Perry song. Or her Back To Basics album with "Candyman" and "Ain't No Other Man"? Perry work. Shit, don't be obtuse on this, and don't shoot the messenger. Cut out the nonsense. Not everybody is familiar with songwriters. Not everyone cares particularly when you're talking about youth. If she wrote songs for all those artists kudos. Of that list list I've only been interested in Alicia Keys, Gwen Stefani, Blaque, and Solange for a hot minute. Celine Dion is a great singer but I've never been moved to buy a cd from her. Some of those other artists most orgers here just don't care or talk about sparingly so it's not inconceivable that folks here ever heard of Linda Perry. You may not know who Linda Creed or Bobby Martin is unless I post their list of hits. Not everyone that listens to music tracks the producer or songwriters. In fact there was a time the albums producer were more popular than the artist and songwriter put together. [Edited 5/21/16 17:08pm] Don't laugh at my funk
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I finally watched the video. I like how Sheryl Underwood addressed it. I'm not mad at Linda Perry but her statement about Chaka was misguided. Chaka may not be relevant as charts go today but she is still a big draw for r&b and she wouldn't have been unknown for that award show period. Hell she covered Prince I Feel For You which was a huge crossover record on the Billboard charts how is that not relevant. She's just like Maze and Frankie Beverly. Fuck around and wait until the last minute to get a ticket you will miss out. Damn Aisha Tyler went in did she. Why don't they get musicians (which Prince was all about) to do a proper tribute because Prince played like 17 different instruments while Madonna can barely play her own voice.  Damn Aisha dropped the Mic!Don't laugh at my funk
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The Grammys had Stevie with Pentatonix on the Maurice White tribute. You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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Well, there you go. Don't trust the people who tell you it can't happen.
this why I don't watch these shows for stunts like this
I have nothing at all against Madonna,
here work in the 80s up unto the album True Blue was stellar
but this goes to show how the luminaries from years past have been shafted and pushed aside in order for others to be hoisted through the lens of Pop orientation, and that's why music and entertainment overall has declined [Edited 5/22/16 6:18am] | |
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that is so racist against white people...i hope you dont turn against Asian people too [Edited 5/22/16 9:07am] | |
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the worst fucking song of the 90s and thats saying a lot | |
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i think the tribute should include Stevie Wonder,BB King,Sheila E and The Time BB King has a very strong connection to Prince and has a lot in common and i think would be MUCH better than Madonna but the networks would never do it because they feel BB King is too "Irrelevant" to be on network tv these days....sad | |
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The Grammys & the Billboard Awards are different though. The Grammys nominate veteran acts (like Steely Dan winning over Eminem) and Billboard nominate who's hot now. It's unlikely Billboard would have nominated Steely Dan in the first place as their album was nowhere near as popular as Eminem's. Also, unlike Sheila E and Chaka, Stevie has pretty much always crossed over, going all the way back to Fingertips. Stevie's 1970s and early 1980s albums sold well too. So he's more on the level with Madonna and Michael Jackson rather than The Time & Andre Cymone. Madonna is also nominated for a Billboard Award. Chaka, The Time, and Stevie aren't. So Madonna was probably already going to be there. Here's a list of nominees. . Top Artist: You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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"Top Social Media Artist" "Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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What a world...
exactly.....and the term "irrelevant" was used by Linda Perry so she could make a point about Billboard, not about the actual artists - so the title of this thread is misleading - kinda like CNN just trying to get your attention | |
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GeorgieAto said: i think the tribute should include Stevie Wonder,BB King,Sheila E and The Time BB King has a very strong connection to Prince and has a lot in common and i think would be MUCH better than Madonna but the networks would never do it because they feel BB King is too "Irrelevant" to be on network tv these days....sad BB King is dead. Nick Ashford was someone I greatly admired, had the honor of knowing, and was the real-life inspiration for Cowboy Curtis' hair. RIP Nick. - Pee Wee Herman | |
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It includes Stevie Wonder! Madonna and Stevie are singing Purple Rain together. Here's a spoiler from rehearsal. So you all can calm down about it being too white or not including your favorite artists who knew Prince.
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I really wished they had picked a different song. Stevie already sang it at the L.A. memorial. "Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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Madonna and Stevie Wonder?! I love it | |
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What's racist about it? It's true. Or have you not seen the programming on the 4 major networks? You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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There's a reason Telemundo and Ebony & Latina magazines exist.
#sitchoassdown Glinda...Nick Ashford was someone I greatly admired, had the honor of knowing, and was the real-life inspiration for Cowboy Curtis' hair. RIP Nick. - Pee Wee Herman | |
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For sure. BB King is playing the blues in heaven. Don't laugh at my funk
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For those that are interested, the Awards is on now, but I'm watching the Simpsons right now. You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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I think I saw LA Reid in the audience. I wonder why people in the audience are filming this with their phones. Can't they tape it from the TV broadcast in better quality? You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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P!nk has gone back to pink hair You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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Glindathegood said: It includes Stevie Wonder! Madonna and Stevie are singing Purple Rain together. Here's a spoiler from rehearsal. So you all can calm down about it being too white or not including your favorite artists who knew Prince.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BFuYc01pGxN/?&_suid=146395485926302809631403069943
Who the hell said anything about the show being too white but you? Most people had a problem with Linda Perry's comments versus Madonna performing the tribute. If the biggest thing was appealing to you guys favorite term mainstream why the hell are Ludicrous and Ciara hosting. When was the last time either had a big hit? And your message about Stevie: Are Black folks suppose to rejoice now as though we haven't seen Stevie perform on awards shows 1000 times over. Me as well as a lot of sports fans will be tuning into the NBA playoffs anyway so the Billboard awards are not RELEVANT to some us. Pun intended. Don't laugh at my funk
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I wonder when the Go-Go's are going to show up, that's who I'm really waiting for You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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Celine should have sung about being a nappy headed boy You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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They didn't really show any closeups of Gina, the camerman mostly stayed on Belinda. I wonder who the replacement is. You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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Madonna's outfit made me think of what she wore at Live Aid. I liked Stevie Wonder's shirt [Edited 5/22/16 20:02pm] You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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