rlittler81 said:

ThePanther said:

I just wanted to point out that Prince going on TV in ass-less pants, and Madonna (theoretically) going onstage in ass-less pants, is not the same.

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Why? Because Prince is a man and Madonna is a woman.

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A man (who's a major star with a mass audience) going on TV with ass-less pants is challenging every known gender/image-norm for heterosexual men. It's guaranteed to turn-off part of his own audience (call that the middle of the road hetero-normative crowd), and it's completely out of step with music-industry traditions and expectations for established mainstream male stars.

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By contrast, Madonna (or any attractive woman who's a major star with a mass audience) going onstage in ass-less pants (or a corset, or underwear, or whatever) is not challenging anything -- in fact, it's setting feminism back 50 years and giving in to male-centred expectations for the exploitation of the female body.

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(And yes, I'm well aware of Madonna's enormous appeal to a gay audience. That's fine. But it's a different matter entirely.)

Clearly you don't 'get' Madonna and never will. She's never shown her body or done anything to attract men or women, she's done it because she enjoys her own body. She's owning it. You can be sexual and still be intellegent.

I agree. One thing I like about Madonna is that she never branded herself as "sexy." She always used sex creativelly and to evoke some type of challenging issue or message related to the genre. I find that more interesting that a lot of the "sex kittens" we have in today's generation who just use their bodies to capitilize off the market and not for stimulating or creative purposes. I personally don't have a problem with sex or even sexy in music but just as long as it is used artistically and in a way that conveys a story and not just a bunch of singers prancing around half naked on stage with no other value to offer. I think the latter has more negative consequences for women than anything else. There is a difference between feeling liberated and owning your sexuality versus just exploiting sex for the purposes of financial gain.

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ThePanther said:

I just wanted to point out that Prince going on TV in ass-less pants, and Madonna (theoretically) going onstage in ass-less pants, is not the same.

.

Why? Because Prince is a man and Madonna is a woman.

.

A man (who's a major star with a mass audience) going on TV with ass-less pants is challenging every known gender/image-norm for heterosexual men. It's guaranteed to turn-off part of his own audience (call that the middle of the road hetero-normative crowd), and it's completely out of step with music-industry traditions and expectations for established mainstream male stars.

.

By contrast, Madonna (or any attractive woman who's a major star with a mass audience) going onstage in ass-less pants (or a corset, or underwear, or whatever) is not challenging anything -- in fact, it's setting feminism back 50 years and giving in to male-centred expectations for the exploitation of the female body.

.

(And yes, I'm well aware of Madonna's enormous appeal to a gay audience. That's fine. But it's a different matter entirely.)

This is Madonna

ThePanther said:

I just wanted to point out that Prince going on TV in ass-less pants, and Madonna (theoretically) going onstage in ass-less pants, is not the same.

.

Why? Because Prince is a man and Madonna is a woman.

.

A man (who's a major star with a mass audience) going on TV with ass-less pants is challenging every known gender/image-norm for heterosexual men. It's guaranteed to turn-off part of his own audience (call that the middle of the road hetero-normative crowd), and it's completely out of step with music-industry traditions and expectations for established mainstream male stars.

.

By contrast, Madonna (or any attractive woman who's a major star with a mass audience) going onstage in ass-less pants (or a corset, or underwear, or whatever) is not challenging anything -- in fact, it's setting feminism back 50 years and giving in to male-centred expectations for the exploitation of the female body.

.

(And yes, I'm well aware of Madonna's enormous appeal to a gay audience. That's fine. But it's a different matter entirely.)

Madonna's not your bitch.Don't hang your shit on her

Express yourself, don't repress yourself
Express yourself, don't repress yourself
Express yourself, don't repress yourself
Express yourself, don't repress yourself
Express yourself, don't repress yourself

And I'm not sorry (I'm not sorry)
It's human nature (It's human nature)
And I'm not sorry (I'm not sorry)
I'm not your bitch don't hang your shit on me (It's human nature)

You wouldn't let me say the words I longed to say
You didn't want to see life through my eyes
(Express yourself, don't repress yourself)
You tried to shove me back inside your narrow room
And silence me with bitterness and lies
(Express yourself, don't repress yourself)
Did I say something wrong?
Oops, I didn't know I couldn't talk about sex
(I musta been crazy)
Did I stay too long?
Oops, I didn't know I couldn't speak my mind
(What was I thinking)

And I'm not sorry (I'm not sorry)
It's human nature (It's human nature)
And I'm not sorry (I'm not sorry)
I'm not your bitch don't hang your shit on me (It's human nature)

You punished me for telling you my fantasies
I'm breakin' all the rules I didn't make
(Express yourself, don't repress yourself)
You took my words and made a trap for silly fools
You held me down and tried to make me break
(Express yourself, don't repress yourself)

Did I say something true?
Oops, I didn't know I couldn't talk about sex
(I musta been crazy)
Did I have a point of view?
Oops, I didn't know I couldn't talk about you
(What was I thinking)

And I'm not sorry (I'm not sorry)
It's human nature (It's human nature)
And I'm not sorry (I'm not sorry)
I'm not your bitch don't hang your shit on me (It's human nature)

Express yourself, don't repress yourself
Express yourself, don't repress yourself
Express yourself, don't repress yourself
Express yourself, don't repress yourself
Express yourself, don't repress yourself
Express yourself, don't repress yourself

Did I say something true?
Oops, I didn't know I couldn't talk about sex
(I musta been crazy)
Did I have a point of view?
Oops, I didn't know I couldn't talk about you
(What was I thinking)

And I'm not sorry (I'm not sorry)
It's human nature (It's human nature)
And I'm not sorry (I'm not sorry)
I'm not your bitch don't hang your shit on me (It's human nature)

And I'm not sorry (I'm not apologizing)
It's human nature (Would it sound better if I were a man?)
And I'm not sorry (You're the one with the problem)
I'm not your bitch don't hang your shit on me (Why don't you just deal with it)

'Cause I'm not sorry (Would you like me better if I was?)
It's human nature (We all feel the same way)
And I'm not sorry (I have no regrets)
I'm not your bitch don't hang your shit on me (Just look in the mirror)

And I'm not sorry (I don't have to justify anything)
It's human nature (I'm just like you)
And I'm not sorry (Why should I be?)
I'm not your bitch don't hang your shit on me (Deal with it)

One thing I love about Madonna is she has deep introspective songs and albums, but then she does have more lighthearted fun music. I know some people see the second as disposable, but I see it as more fun and feel it does have its place in music.

I like both types of music. It depends on the mood I'm in at the time. To me, she's one of the few artists out there that can do both well.

Just recently, she did her acoustic Tears of the Clown gig with her more serious deeper songs and the Rebel Heart tour which had more fun lighthearted moments. I love both sides of her.

Glindathegood said:

One thing I love about Madonna is she has deep introspective songs and albums, but then she does have more lighthearted fun music. I know some people see the second as disposable, but I see it as more fun and feel it does have its place in music.

I like both types of music. It depends on the mood I'm in at the time. To me, she's one of the few artists out there that can do both well.

Just recently, she did her acoustic Tears of the Clown gig with her more serious deeper songs and the Rebel Heart tour which had more fun lighthearted moments. I love both sides of her.

Wholeheartedly agree with everything you say. And her more introspective ones for me are the best in her catalog. In the future she should do more intimate shows likethis, they are great.

Glindathegood said:

One thing I love about Madonna is she has deep introspective songs and albums, but then she does have more lighthearted fun music. I know some people see the second as disposable, but I see it as more fun and feel it does have its place in music.

I like both types of music. It depends on the mood I'm in at the time. To me, she's one of the few artists out there that can do both well.

Just recently, she did her acoustic Tears of the Clown gig with her more serious deeper songs and the Rebel Heart tour which had more fun lighthearted moments. I love both sides of her.

is there video of this?

luvsexy4all said:

Glindathegood said:

One thing I love about Madonna is she has deep introspective songs and albums, but then she does have more lighthearted fun music. I know some people see the second as disposable, but I see it as more fun and feel it does have its place in music.

I like both types of music. It depends on the mood I'm in at the time. To me, she's one of the few artists out there that can do both well.

Just recently, she did her acoustic Tears of the Clown gig with her more serious deeper songs and the Rebel Heart tour which had more fun lighthearted moments. I love both sides of her.

is there video of this?

In youtube