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Free2BMe said:

I thought this sticky was "Discuss ANYTHING and EVERYTHING about MJ". What was wrong with discussion in other thread? Just a honest question, because I want to know if I did anything wrong?

Other thread self-locked. I edited my blurb.

luv4u said:

^Just to briefly add to the points you were saying in the other thread, the Jacksons have done there share of questionable things toward Michael. Its hard to believe anything they say out there mouth when it comes to him. They are very greed driven and its no wonder why MJ kept his distance from them. They are always plotting in some way to get money out of him or to use his name for some venture. I am sure they loved him and Michael loved them as well but it still doesn't change their faults either which people at times make excuses for.

mjscarousal said:

Free2BMe said:

mjscarousal said:

^Just to briefly add to the points you were saying in the other thread, the Jacksons have done there share of questionable things toward Michael. Its hard to believe anything they say out there mouth when it comes to him. They are very greed driven and its no wonder why MJ kept his distance from them. They are always plotting in some way to get money out of him or to use his name for some venture. I am sure they loved him and Michael loved them as well but it still doesn't change their faults either which people at times make excuses for.

Yes, it is hard to believe anything that they say, because all of the things that they are saying now, they didn't say while Michael was alive. What family, especially a family that claims they are so private, would do what the Jackson family has done since Michael was murdered. Damn, they didn't even wait until he was in the ground before they maligned and slandered him. I hate them for that and will never forgive them. It's not as if they had to do it, or if they were helping someone by doing what they did. They did it out of greed, money, and to boost their careers. Every damn one of them tried to promote or further their careers on the back of their dead loved one. What really pisses me off are the EXCUSES that Jackson supporters and Janet supporters use. They excuse everything they do, but, these are the same people who didn't believe Michael or denigrated him on any and everything that he did, as if he deserved the malice and media bashing that he received.

They feel that Michael was flawed and that everything that happened in his life was his fault. I would be the first to say Michael was not perfect but then again NO ONE is perfect. However, when it comes to Michael people seem to blame everything on him. They never look at how much pain his family caused him OR pain his ex wives or fake friends caused him. Oddly, for some people everything is always his fault. He is made to be this flawed person and I don't think that is completely fair because there were other factors (family, upbringing, parents, fake friends, press, shady associaties, etc) that aided in alot of the issues he had to go through. I personally feel if MJ had a stronger family support system, a family that showed him love and affection. A family that had a geniune interest in him as a person and not Michael the superstar. A family that did not seek him only when they wanted money from him, he would still be here. IMO, alot of Michael's unresolved internal issues were a result of his dysfucntional childhood, upbearing and family dynamic. The sad part about the whole thing is, NONE of the Jacksons have taken any responsibility in their part and have blamed Michael for his own demise. NONE of the Jacksons knew what was going on with him nor did they care too. They only time they sought him out was for busines purposes.

[Edited 12/28/15 18:27pm]

I agree, the family have been piggybacking off Michael's fame for years, even after his death, they saw the 3 children Prince, Prince II and Paris as the golden geese and the Randall Sullivan book mentions how Jermajesty was harassing them. (This book even contains dirt on Janet slapping Paris and Rebbie trying to make both Princes Jehovah Witnesses).

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They have been used to wwealth and riches and panic when it is going, the fact they could lose Hayvenhurst is scary. They have no loyalty even to each other, Randy is on the outer at the moment and Jermaine and Jackie both have children they have dumped on Katherine. She is a victim as well, but also a bit of an instigator, the family used Katherine a lot to communicate their needs to Michael as they knew their lifestyle could remain subsidised by them.

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Sorry to be harsh, I don't mind the Jacksons, but I just found their behaviour selfish and stupid at times, like Kidnapping Katherine in July 2011 to get to the Kids, and the time in July 2009, when Randy and Jermaine along with Rebbie and Janet tried to steal loose cash and chattels out of Neverland. Michael took good care of them, paying bills ensuring they got to stay in Hayvenhurst, but he was truly tired of them after the trial and wanted his own life.

Adorecream said:

I agree, the family have been piggybacking off Michael's fame for years, even after his death, they saw the 3 children Prince, Prince II and Paris as the golden geese and the Randall Sullivan book mentions how Jermajesty was harassing them. (This book even contains dirt on Janet slapping Paris and Rebbie trying to make both Princes Jehovah Witnesses).

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They have been used to wwealth and riches and panic when it is going, the fact they could lose Hayvenhurst is scary. They have no loyalty even to each other, Randy is on the outer at the moment and Jermaine and Jackie both have children they have dumped on Katherine. She is a victim as well, but also a bit of an instigator, the family used Katherine a lot to communicate their needs to Michael as they knew their lifestyle could remain subsidised by them.

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Sorry to be harsh, I don't mind the Jacksons, but I just found their behaviour selfish and stupid at times, like Kidnapping Katherine in July 2011 to get to the Kids, and the time in July 2009, when Randy and Jermaine along with Rebbie and Janet tried to steal loose cash and chattels out of Neverland. Michael took good care of them, paying bills ensuring they got to stay in Hayvenhurst, but he was truly tired of them after the trial and wanted his own life.

and this is the exact reason why this entire situation that kicked off since 1988 has been the most hostile, wretched circumstance I've ever seen publically where a family has been attacked by the world for absolutely no legit reason, when they haven't done anything to anyone in 40 years for the people who constantly berate, and ALL over a cast a lies, a false image projected by Michael Jackson after reaching what turned out to be the very pinnacle of his career

what's crazy about this entire deal is the entire notion that the brothers had been waiting on MJ al this time to reunite w/them so they can "make some money" when the last time he performed a concert with them was back in 1984, some 31 years ago

the REAL reason Janet tried to get their mother away from the situation in 2011 is one

somebody, a king of pop fan or a former member of his camp who has the platform to dictate concoct that entire story about Jermaine's son threatening the oldest kid who MJ said was his biological child, that Jermaine's son threatened him w/a stun gun......a lie that caused a S.W.A.T. unit to fly a helicopter over the roof of the Jackson encino home, high beaming light through bedroom windows, like they were about to perform a drug bust or oust a national dictator, where all these years, before that stunt was pulled had we heard anything about any of the family's granchildren, nephews, nieces being difficult or juvenile

forcing a 12-13 year old kid to come on national TV and placate

the truth is whoever concocted that story wanted no other kids or people period living in that house other than those 3 kids who MJ said he fathered......that's why that whole deal kicked off and everyone up in there was forced to move out, and eventually after 40 years, Katherine was forced to give up that home and relocated because the fans practically imprisoned her w/thier overzealous behavior and all they wanted to see her do from that point on is tend to those 3 kids, and screw all her other grandkids

and #2, after 6 years, after all this brouhaha, Janet tried to rescue her mother from the madness because them 3 kids ain't no more related to them or Michael Jackson than we are, and then when fans saw that she was trying to rescue her mother from the madness, then they kicked up another story accusing her of abusing the young girl and said she was unfit to be an aunt to them when after all these years we never ever heard anything about janet being confrontational w/her actual nieces and nephews, and all that hell that came out of that, and when video showed proof that she never struck the young girl, where the public, media STILL crashed on her like a tornado and forced this woman to leave the country in order to get away from the madness and maintain her composure and that entire experience and the entire situation is affected her as we speak and that's why she refuses to do anymore interview about them 3 kids who are fast becoming adults because they are not related to her at all when everyone is fawning over them

and that's the main reason, or a primary reason why she has postponed her shows on this tour because she's sick of it because every single day, it's the same crap that lingers and that's why this the most tragic situation Iv'e ever seen on a public scale and I know there have been a many of day over the past 25 years where this family wish they had to stay in Gary and lived peacefully w/out all the shenanigans.....

the first 16 years were off the charts, the last 28 years have been like the Salem Witch Trials, the CONS have far outweighed the PROS and considering how everything has played out over the years, it wasn't even worth it

it's all a crying shame

but one thing is for sure, the creator is gonna clean this stuff up and get things back to where they should be and should have been all along

[Edited 12/29/15 5:43am]

Scorp said:

Free2BMe said:

Scorp said:

Adorecream said:

I agree, the family have been piggybacking off Michael's fame for years, even after his death, they saw the 3 children Prince, Prince II and Paris as the golden geese and the Randall Sullivan book mentions how Jermajesty was harassing them. (This book even contains dirt on Janet slapping Paris and Rebbie trying to make both Princes Jehovah Witnesses).

.

They have been used to wwealth and riches and panic when it is going, the fact they could lose Hayvenhurst is scary. They have no loyalty even to each other, Randy is on the outer at the moment and Jermaine and Jackie both have children they have dumped on Katherine. She is a victim as well, but also a bit of an instigator, the family used Katherine a lot to communicate their needs to Michael as they knew their lifestyle could remain subsidised by them.

.

Sorry to be harsh, I don't mind the Jacksons, but I just found their behaviour selfish and stupid at times, like Kidnapping Katherine in July 2011 to get to the Kids, and the time in July 2009, when Randy and Jermaine along with Rebbie and Janet tried to steal loose cash and chattels out of Neverland. Michael took good care of them, paying bills ensuring they got to stay in Hayvenhurst, but he was truly tired of them after the trial and wanted his own life.

and this is the exact reason why this entire situation that kicked off since 1988 has been the most hostile, wretched circumstance I've ever seen publically where a family has been attacked by the world for absolutely no legit reason, when they haven't done anything to anyone in 40 years for the people who constantly berate, and ALL over a cast a lies, a false image projected by Michael Jackson after reaching what turned out to be the very pinnacle of his career

what's crazy about this entire deal is the entire notion that the brothers had been waiting on MJ al this time to reunite w/them so they can "make some money" when the last time he performed a concert with them was back in 1984, some 31 years ago

the REAL reason Janet tried to get their mother away from the situation in 2011 is one

somebody, a king of pop fan or a former member of his camp who has the platform to dictate concoct that entire story about Jermaine's son threatening the oldest kid who MJ said was his biological child, that Jermaine's son threatened him w/a stun gun.....a lie that caused a S.W.A.T. unit to fly a helicopter over the roof of the Jackson encino home, high beaming light through bedroom windows, like they were about to perform a drug bust or oust a national dictator, where all these years, before that stunt was pulled had we heard anything about any of the family's granchildren, nephews, nieces being difficult or juvenile

forcing a 12-13 year old kid to come on national TV and placate

the truth is whoever concocted that story wanted no other kids or people period living in that house other than those 3 kids who MJ said he fathered.....that's why that whole deal kicked off and everyone up in there was forced to move out, and eventually after 40 years, Katherine was forced to give up that home and relocated because the fans practically imprisoned her w/thier overzealous behavior and all they wanted to see her do from that point on is tend to those 3 kids, and screw all her other grandkids

and #2, after 6 years, after all this brouhaha, Janet tried to rescue her mother from the madness because them 3 kids ain't no more related to them or Michael Jackson than we are, and then when fans saw that she was trying to rescue her mother from the madness, then they kicked up another story accusing her of abusing the young girl and said she was unfit to be an aunt to them when after all these years we never ever heard anything about janet being confrontational w/her actual nieces and nephews, and all that hell that came out of that, and when video showed proof that she never struck the young girl, where the public, media STILL crashed on her like a tornado and forced this woman to leave the country in order to get away from the madness and maintain her composure and that entire experience and the entire situation is affected her as we speak and that's why she refuses to do anymore interview about them 3 kids who are fast becoming adults because they are not related to her at all when everyone is fawning over them

and that's the main reason, or a primary reason why she has postponed her shows on this tour because she's sick of it because every single day, it's the same crap that lingers and that's why this the most tragic situation Iv'e ever seen on a public scale and I know there have been a many of day over the past 25 years where this family wish they had to stay in Gary and lived peacefully w/out all the shenanigans.....

the first 16 years were off the charts, the last 28 years have been like the Salem Witch Trials, the CONS have far outweighed the PROS and considering how everything has played out over the years, it wasn't even worth it

it's all a crying shame

but one thing is for sure, the creator is gonna clean this stuff up and get things back to where they should be and should have been all along

[Edited 12/29/15 5:43am]

Scorp, either you are suffering from dementia or you are on drugs. NOTHING that you said in this post has any validity. You are a sad person, and I am beginning to feel sorry for you. Get some professional help before you hurt yourself. You are delusional and living in some kind of alternate universe. Seriously, does your family know what's going on with you? I don't think you even realize your own state of mind. Here's hoping you get the psychological help that you need.
[Edited 12/29/15 10:52am]

Free2BMe said:

Scorp said:

and this is the exact reason why this entire situation that kicked off since 1988 has been the most hostile, wretched circumstance I've ever seen publically where a family has been attacked by the world for absolutely no legit reason, when they haven't done anything to anyone in 40 years for the people who constantly berate, and ALL over a cast a lies, a false image projected by Michael Jackson after reaching what turned out to be the very pinnacle of his career

what's crazy about this entire deal is the entire notion that the brothers had been waiting on MJ al this time to reunite w/them so they can "make some money" when the last time he performed a concert with them was back in 1984, some 31 years ago

the REAL reason Janet tried to get their mother away from the situation in 2011 is one

somebody, a king of pop fan or a former member of his camp who has the platform to dictate concoct that entire story about Jermaine's son threatening the oldest kid who MJ said was his biological child, that Jermaine's son threatened him w/a stun gun......a lie that caused a S.W.A.T. unit to fly a helicopter over the roof of the Jackson encino home, high beaming light through bedroom windows, like they were about to perform a drug bust or oust a national dictator, where all these years, before that stunt was pulled had we heard anything about any of the family's granchildren, nephews, nieces being difficult or juvenile

forcing a 12-13 year old kid to come on national TV and placate

the truth is whoever concocted that story wanted no other kids or people period living in that house other than those 3 kids who MJ said he fathered......that's why that whole deal kicked off and everyone up in there was forced to move out, and eventually after 40 years, Katherine was forced to give up that home and relocated because the fans practically imprisoned her w/thier overzealous behavior and all they wanted to see her do from that point on is tend to those 3 kids, and screw all her other grandkids

and #2, after 6 years, after all this brouhaha, Janet tried to rescue her mother from the madness because them 3 kids ain't no more related to them or Michael Jackson than we are, and then when fans saw that she was trying to rescue her mother from the madness, then they kicked up another story accusing her of abusing the young girl and said she was unfit to be an aunt to them when after all these years we never ever heard anything about janet being confrontational w/her actual nieces and nephews, and all that hell that came out of that, and when video showed proof that she never struck the young girl, where the public, media STILL crashed on her like a tornado and forced this woman to leave the country in order to get away from the madness and maintain her composure and that entire experience and the entire situation is affected her as we speak and that's why she refuses to do anymore interview about them 3 kids who are fast becoming adults because they are not related to her at all when everyone is fawning over them

and that's the main reason, or a primary reason why she has postponed her shows on this tour because she's sick of it because every single day, it's the same crap that lingers and that's why this the most tragic situation Iv'e ever seen on a public scale and I know there have been a many of day over the past 25 years where this family wish they had to stay in Gary and lived peacefully w/out all the shenanigans.....

the first 16 years were off the charts, the last 28 years have been like the Salem Witch Trials, the CONS have far outweighed the PROS and considering how everything has played out over the years, it wasn't even worth it

it's all a crying shame

but one thing is for sure, the creator is gonna clean this stuff up and get things back to where they should be and should have been all along

[Edited 12/29/15 5:43am]

Scorp, either you are suffering from dementia or you are on drugs. NOTHING that you said in this post has any validity. You are a sad person, and I am beginning to feel sorry for you. Get some professional help before you hurt yourself. You are delusional and living in some kind of alternate universe. Seriously, does your family know what's going on with you? I don't think you even realize your own state of mind. Here's hoping you get the psychological help that you need. [Edited 12/29/15 10:52am]

How does what Scorp said not have validity. If he believes that Prince, Paris and Blanket aren't MJ's biological children, then they will never really be part of MJ's legacy.

If that is the case, and it's not just him that believes it to be, MJ's brothers did a lot to help make Michael Jackson a household name during the J5 Era and have as much of a right to his finances than three kids that are Jacksons by name only.

This guessing game could all be put to rest with a simple paternity test by an independent party with nothing to gain from the outcome.

Free2BMe said:

Scorp said:

and this is the exact reason why this entire situation that kicked off since 1988 has been the most hostile, wretched circumstance I've ever seen publically where a family has been attacked by the world for absolutely no legit reason, when they haven't done anything to anyone in 40 years for the people who constantly berate, and ALL over a cast a lies, a false image projected by Michael Jackson after reaching what turned out to be the very pinnacle of his career

what's crazy about this entire deal is the entire notion that the brothers had been waiting on MJ al this time to reunite w/them so they can "make some money" when the last time he performed a concert with them was back in 1984, some 31 years ago

the REAL reason Janet tried to get their mother away from the situation in 2011 is one

somebody, a king of pop fan or a former member of his camp who has the platform to dictate concoct that entire story about Jermaine's son threatening the oldest kid who MJ said was his biological child, that Jermaine's son threatened him w/a stun gun......a lie that caused a S.W.A.T. unit to fly a helicopter over the roof of the Jackson encino home, high beaming light through bedroom windows, like they were about to perform a drug bust or oust a national dictator, where all these years, before that stunt was pulled had we heard anything about any of the family's granchildren, nephews, nieces being difficult or juvenile

forcing a 12-13 year old kid to come on national TV and placate

the truth is whoever concocted that story wanted no other kids or people period living in that house other than those 3 kids who MJ said he fathered......that's why that whole deal kicked off and everyone up in there was forced to move out, and eventually after 40 years, Katherine was forced to give up that home and relocated because the fans practically imprisoned her w/thier overzealous behavior and all they wanted to see her do from that point on is tend to those 3 kids, and screw all her other grandkids

and #2, after 6 years, after all this brouhaha, Janet tried to rescue her mother from the madness because them 3 kids ain't no more related to them or Michael Jackson than we are, and then when fans saw that she was trying to rescue her mother from the madness, then they kicked up another story accusing her of abusing the young girl and said she was unfit to be an aunt to them when after all these years we never ever heard anything about janet being confrontational w/her actual nieces and nephews, and all that hell that came out of that, and when video showed proof that she never struck the young girl, where the public, media STILL crashed on her like a tornado and forced this woman to leave the country in order to get away from the madness and maintain her composure and that entire experience and the entire situation is affected her as we speak and that's why she refuses to do anymore interview about them 3 kids who are fast becoming adults because they are not related to her at all when everyone is fawning over them

and that's the main reason, or a primary reason why she has postponed her shows on this tour because she's sick of it because every single day, it's the same crap that lingers and that's why this the most tragic situation Iv'e ever seen on a public scale and I know there have been a many of day over the past 25 years where this family wish they had to stay in Gary and lived peacefully w/out all the shenanigans.....

the first 16 years were off the charts, the last 28 years have been like the Salem Witch Trials, the CONS have far outweighed the PROS and considering how everything has played out over the years, it wasn't even worth it

it's all a crying shame

but one thing is for sure, the creator is gonna clean this stuff up and get things back to where they should be and should have been all along

[Edited 12/29/15 5:43am]

Scorp, either you are suffering from dementia or you are on drugs. NOTHING that you said in this post has any validity. You are a sad person, and I am beginning to feel sorry for you. Get some professional help before you hurt yourself. You are delusional and living in some kind of alternate universe. Seriously, does your family know what's going on with you? I don't think you even realize your own state of mind. Here's hoping you get the psychological help that you need. [Edited 12/29/15 10:52am]

Free, he is going to keep thinking what he thinks. There is no changing it. Its unfornate that there are people that just hate MJ and blame him for everything when there are receipts that show that his family sabataged him, used him and did not have his best interest at times. Its a waste of time going back in forth with him and the other trolls. They are looking for attention for their negativity, I wouldn't even give it to them. Let them think what they want to think.

a receipt

where are we at Walmart

you keep on talkin about these receipts

post em

and I don't hate MJ, I hate what he did to himself and why he did it and how a very good thing, a very good experience got destroyed

and you think I'm lying about King of Pop fans negative influence on this outcome who have the position to dictate (not all king of pop fans), who concocted the whole fiasco of faking that stun gun incidence

somebody made up that whole fiasco because they wanted nobody in the Jackson family around those 3 kids other thean Katherine, and eventually because of this fake false story, everyone had to move out of that Encino home as a result....and the only reason they tolerated her was because somebody had to rear them

that's how whack this situation has become

but I'm supposed to be the one who's trolling....yeah right

[Edited 12/30/15 2:59am]

mjscarousal said:

Free2BMe said:

A live debate on YouTube on MJ would clear up a lot of things. Maybe we'd reach some middle ground on him too. All you need is to sign up to GooglePlus and set up the public chat in "Hang Outs".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOBBVLQFVyA

Just lovely

NaughtyKitty said:

MichaelJackson5 said:

for all the fans who find it a laughing matter the way this family has been attacked by the globe (the last 28 years not the first 16)......

Jackie Jackson's sentiments tells it all but see the fans that participate in the madness never think about it because of a false sense of entitlment that permeates throughout

whereas if the shoe was on the other foot and it was THEIR family being attacked every day for the past 28 years, they wouldn't know how to deal with it

but they think this is some kind of joke

[Edited 12/31/15 18:53pm]

While the real Michael Jackson is dead and gone, we're still live in a world where we have too many freaking Michael-clones (Chris Brown, Justin Timberlake, The Weeknd) walking the Earth.

Just saying.

TonyVanDam said:

While the real Michael Jackson is dead and gone, we're still live in a world where we have too many freaking Michael-clones (Chris Brown, Justin Timberlake, The Weeknd) walking the Earth.

Just saying.

Aslong as we have Miguel (our one and true saviour thank you higher beings for creating an artist that has basically no fillers) the clones in the music industry are kept at bay.

[Edited 1/5/16 8:53am]

TonyVanDam said:

Photoshoot for Vanity Fair, shot by Annie Leibovitz in 1989. S

http://ohnotheydidnt.live...95986.html

LOS ANGELES — Costumes worn by Michael Jackson commanded hundreds of thousands of dollars at auction, and Lady Gaga was among the collectors.

Gaga tweeted Sunday (Dec. 2) that she bought 55 pieces in the sale administered by Julien’s Auctions and said she plans to keep the items "archived and expertly cared for in the spirit and love of Michael Jackson, his bravery and fans worldwide."

Auctioneer Darren Julien said the jacket Jackson wore during his "Bad" World Tour fetched $240,000. Two of Jackson’s crystal-encrusted gloves sold for more than $100,000 each, as did other jackets and performance costumes.

The auction, featuring the collection of Jackson’s longtime costume designers Dennis Tompkins and Michael Bush, raised more than $5 million. Some proceeds benefited Guide Dogs of America and Nathan Adelson Hospice of Las Vegas.


Read more at ONTD: http://ohnotheydidnt.live...z3wUfyoaxr

http://www.upi.com/Entertainment_News/Music/2016/01/07/Michael-Jacksons-Off-the-Wall-set-for-February-re-release/5101452182348/

NEW YORK, Jan. 7 (UPI) -- The Estate of Michael Jackson and Sony Legacy Recordings say they will release exclusive CD/DVD and CD/Blu-ray editions of Jackson's 1979 album Off The Wall on Feb. 26.

The package will include the original version of the album bundled with the new documentary Michael Jackson's Journey from Motown to Off The Wall.

Directed by Spike Lee, the documentary will have its world premiere at the Sundance Film Festival on Jan. 24 and its television debut on Showtime on Feb. 5. Interviewed in the movie are Lee Daniels, The Weeknd, Pharrell Williams, Misty Copeland, Kobe Bryant, Mark Ronson, John Legend, Questlove, Katherine Jackson, Joe Jackson, Marlon Jackson, Jackie Jackson and L.A. Reid. Among the hits included on the album are "Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough," "Rock With You," "Workin' Day and Night," "Get on the Floor," "Off The Wall," "Girlfriend," "She's Out of My Life," "I Can't Help It," " It's the Falling in Love" and "Burn This Disco Out."

No bonus material for OTW. No songs like Goin' To Rio, Iowa, In the Life of Chico, etc. These demos have got to be somewhere. Does the estate even have them? The least they could've done is include some early mixes.. Questlove has said the early mixes sound so different, much more disco-esque. Even more recently some of these have leaked in various versions. Just another poor release by the estate IMO. And the Spike Lee documentary I'm sure is a respectable effort, but what do I care what someone like Kobe Bryant has to say about the album LOL.