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Reply #30 posted 02/03/16 2:26pm

MickyDolenz

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Why don't you just stick with country music😳 Kind of Blue continues to sell to almost Sixty years after its release. It is one of the records that changed jazz and to sell about 50k a year plenty of people know about it. Tired of your ignorance about black culture and music.

I have some Miles albums and Sun Ra too, that has nothing to do with mainstream popularity. Sun Ra is not mainstream known either. What does black culture have to do with mainstream popularity or them being known worldwide? Jazz is not mainstream music, it doesn't get Top 40 airplay. It doesn't get talked about in social media like Beyonce, Iggy Izalea and Nicki Minaj. Jazz was mainstream in the 1930s during the swing era. It's doubtful that this movie will will the same box office numbers as the NWA movie. That has nothing to do with me.

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If you're tired, no one is forcing you to read what I post. Skip over it. Problem solved.

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Reply #31 posted 02/03/16 3:04pm

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OMG! I cannot fucking wait to see this movie! excited

http://www.milesdavis.com...nt-weekly/


Thanks for the update.

As far as musicians go, Miles Davis was the most powerful and influential musician of the
20th century. Hendrix does not even come close. There's an argument that can be made
for Macca.

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Reply #32 posted 02/03/16 3:36pm

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MickyDolenz said:



laurarichardson said:


Why don't you just stick with country music😳 Kind of Blue continues to sell to almost Sixty years after its release. It is one of the records that changed jazz and to sell about 50k a year plenty of people know about it. Tired of your ignorance about black culture and music.

I have some Miles albums and Sun Ra too, that has nothing to do with mainstream popularity. Sun Ra is not mainstream known either. What does black culture have to do with mainstream popularity or them being known worldwide? Jazz is not mainstream music, it doesn't get Top 40 airplay. It doesn't get talked about in social media like Beyonce, Iggy Izalea and Nicki Minaj. Jazz was mainstream in the 1930s during the swing era. It's doubtful that this movie will will the same box office numbers as the NWA movie. That has nothing to do with me.


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If you're tired, no one is forcing you to read what I post. Skip over it. Problem solved.



-- It would be easier if you just stop posting this type of bullshit "What does black cultrue have to do with popularity" If the mainstream has no time for black culture then explain why it keeps getting appropriated by the mainstream? Or have you missed out on that. This movie only cost 10 million to make and I am enough people are interested in it for the film to make a profit unless you have put money in the film it is none of your concern let us poor minorities enjoy our inferior music.
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Reply #33 posted 02/03/16 3:38pm

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duccichucka said:



HatrinaHaterwitz said:


OMG! I cannot fucking wait to see this movie! excited



http://www.milesdavis.com...nt-weekly/




Thanks for the update.

As far as musicians go, Miles Davis was the most powerful and influential musician of the
20th century. Hendrix does not even come close. There's an argument that can be made
for Macca.

Exactly some people think the Monkees are more important.😳
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Reply #34 posted 02/03/16 3:46pm

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MickyDolenz said:

laurarichardson said:

Why don't you just stick with country music😳 Kind of Blue continues to sell to almost Sixty years after its release. It is one of the records that changed jazz and to sell about 50k a year plenty of people know about it. Tired of your ignorance about black culture and music.

I have some Miles albums and Sun Ra too, that has nothing to do with mainstream popularity. Sun Ra is not mainstream known either. What does black culture have to do with mainstream popularity or them being known worldwide? Jazz is not mainstream music, it doesn't get Top 40 airplay. It doesn't get talked about in social media like Beyonce, Iggy Izalea and Nicki Minaj. Jazz was mainstream in the 1930s during the swing era. It's doubtful that this movie will will the same box office numbers as the NWA movie. That has nothing to do with me.

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If you're tired, no one is forcing you to read what I post. Skip over it. Problem solved.

Yeah, that 'black culture' comment was kinda harsh. If they keep that shit up, just report them. I have gotten several people banned or suspended for playing the race card. It's sad because instead of actual discussion, it ends up being just baseless accusations that end up halting all discussion or getting threads locked. I think this movie will do well though and will most likely have better acting than Straight Outta Compton.

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Reply #35 posted 02/03/16 4:27pm

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His 1989 official autobiography is a fascinating portrait of a willfully antagonistic renaissance man. A must-own for hardcore and casual fans because it's so difficult to put down. Buy a copy if you haven't done so yet.

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Reply #36 posted 02/03/16 4:39pm

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laurarichardson said:

-- It would be easier if you just stop posting this type of bullshit "What does black cultrue have to do with popularity" If the mainstream has no time for black culture then explain why it keeps getting appropriated by the mainstream? Or have you missed out on that. This movie only cost 10 million to make and I am enough people are interested in it for the film to make a profit unless you have put money in the film it is none of your concern let us poor minorities enjoy our inferior music.

Who said anything about inferior? I don't judge music like a music snob who thinks they have some sort of superior taste. Music is music to me. I don't make threads like "rap music sucks", "Bryan Adams sucks", "music was better in the 1970s", "why doesn't Beyonce go away", "what happened to R&B" etc., or talk about someone was on meth because of a Billy Ocean music video. I also did not say the movie won't make a profit, I said it will not make as much money as Straight Outta Compton. You are the one who's judging music as inferior with those Monkees and Kenny G comments and talking about Elvis' singing in the other thread. I said nothing about Miles music, but that he is not a household name in that a mainstream audience will know his album titles. Psy's video has over 2 billion views and his other videos has hundreds of millions. I'm pretty sure no Miles video has the same amount of views. That is not a comment about Psy's or Miles actual music, but on their popularity with the general public, and worldwide popularity. Popularity is popularity, and if you think Miles music is as well known as Michael Jackson or the Beatles, and that his albums sold as much, and that he has many Top 10 singles, then go ahead.

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #37 posted 02/03/16 4:58pm

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HatrinaHaterwitz said:

OMG! I cannot fucking wait to see this movie! excited



http://www.milesdavis.com...nt-weekly/


Thanks Hatrina for the heads up on this. Don Cheadle is a good pick for the role. Can't wait to see it. I wonder if they will include a Betty-Mabry Davis character, and include how she turned him on to Jimi Hendrix's music.
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Reply #38 posted 02/03/16 7:57pm

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HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Did you not look at the trailer? razz

Right! B/c he sure does seem like an extreme asshole! But a talented one! lol



My mom used to tell me that Miles was the most hateful man she ever met.

I really think Don Cheadle will do this role justice.

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
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Reply #39 posted 02/04/16 12:09am

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I was obsessed with Miles when I was a teenager and early 20s. I've got every album, tones of bootlegs. Books. All that shit.

The movie looks a bit exaggerated. Miles was a paranoid cat, but he wasn't going around shootin' shit up (guns that is. Heroin, well that's another story lol). Still, I can't think of anyone better than Cheadle to handle this project. Looking forward to it. Looks promising.

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Reply #40 posted 02/04/16 5:52am

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Identity said:

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His 1989 official autobiography is a fascinating portrait of a willfully antagonistic renaissance man. A must-own for hardcore and casual fans because it's so difficult to put down. Buy a copy if you haven't done so yet.

It's sitting on my shelf in a long line of books I've yet to read.

FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent.
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Reply #41 posted 02/04/16 8:42am

SPYZFAN1

Graycap23..When you get a chance, PLEASE read that book!! I've read it 10 or 11 times since it came out. He even gives props to our boy "Skipper"! Fantastic read.

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Reply #42 posted 02/04/16 8:48am

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SPYZFAN1 said:

Graycap23..When you get a chance, PLEASE read that book!! I've read it 10 or 11 times since it came out. He even gives props to our boy "Skipper"! Fantastic read.

Believe me, I want to................but time won't permit.

I'm up to my eyeballs recording, filming, writing and learning the film game.

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Reply #43 posted 02/04/16 8:51am

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lol..Gotcha! cool ...But when you do read it you will not be disappointed!

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Reply #44 posted 02/04/16 12:31pm

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HatrinaHaterwitz said:

OMG! I cannot fucking wait to see this movie! excited

http://www.milesdavis.com...nt-weekly/

yeahthat excited excited excited

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato

https://youtu.be/CVwv9LZMah0
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Reply #45 posted 02/04/16 12:49pm

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duccichucka said:


As far as musicians go, Miles Davis was the most powerful and influential musician of the 20th century. Hendrix does not even come close. There's an argument that can be made for Macca.


Hendrix lives in the neighorhood, but not on the street. I could think of a scant few, maybe two, that rival Miles in terms of power and influence. Miles sold well and was the epitome of cool in his prime, and nearly 3 generations later, he still does and is.

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Reply #46 posted 02/04/16 1:14pm

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namepeace said:

duccichucka said:


As far as musicians go, Miles Davis was the most powerful and influential musician of the 20th century. Hendrix does not even come close. There's an argument that can be made for Macca.


Hendrix lives in the neighorhood, but not on the street. I could think of a scant few, maybe two, that rival Miles in terms of power and influence. Miles sold well and was the epitome of cool in his prime, and nearly 3 generations later, he still does and is.

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And who might that scant few be?

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Reply #47 posted 02/04/16 1:27pm

duccichucka

laurarichardson said:

duccichucka said:


Thanks for the update.

As far as musicians go, Miles Davis was the most powerful and influential musician of the
20th century. Hendrix does not even come close. There's an argument that can be made
for Macca.

Exactly some people think the Monkees are more important.😳


And those people, if they exist, are fucking stupid.

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Reply #48 posted 02/04/16 1:39pm

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namepeace said:

duccichucka said:


As far as musicians go, Miles Davis was the most powerful and influential musician of the 20th century. Hendrix does not even come close. There's an argument that can be made for Macca.


Hendrix lives in the neighorhood, but not on the street. I could think of a scant few, maybe two, that rival Miles in terms of power and influence. Miles sold well and was the epitome of cool in his prime, and nearly 3 generations later, he still does and is.

Wow............I never knew this.

I guess I should have been be paying more attention to Miles.

I own his entire catalogue and have listened once.

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Reply #49 posted 02/04/16 2:02pm

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MickyDolenz said:

laurarichardson said:

-- It would be easier if you just stop posting this type of bullshit "What does black cultrue have to do with popularity" If the mainstream has no time for black culture then explain why it keeps getting appropriated by the mainstream? Or have you missed out on that. This movie only cost 10 million to make and I am enough people are interested in it for the film to make a profit unless you have put money in the film it is none of your concern let us poor minorities enjoy our inferior music.

Who said anything about inferior? I don't judge music like a music snob who thinks they have some sort of superior taste. Music is music to me. I don't make threads like "rap music sucks", "Bryan Adams sucks", "music was better in the 1970s", "why doesn't Beyonce go away", "what happened to R&B" etc., or talk about someone was on meth because of a Billy Ocean music video. I also did not say the movie won't make a profit, I said it will not make as much money as Straight Outta Compton. You are the one who's judging music as inferior with those Monkees and Kenny G comments and talking about Elvis' singing in the other thread. I said nothing about Miles music, but that he is not a household name in that a mainstream audience will know his album titles. Psy's video has over 2 billion views and his other videos has hundreds of millions. I'm pretty sure no Miles video has the same amount of views. That is not a comment about Psy's or Miles actual music, but on their popularity with the general public, and worldwide popularity. Popularity is popularity, and if you think Miles music is as well known as Michael Jackson or the Beatles, and that his albums sold as much, and that he has many Top 10 singles, then go ahead.



What does any of that have to do with the thread topic? The trailer for the Miles bio pic is the topic.

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Reply #50 posted 02/04/16 2:35pm

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In theaters on April 1st! biggrin Wonder why that date.

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato

https://youtu.be/CVwv9LZMah0
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Reply #51 posted 02/04/16 2:47pm

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babynoz said:

What does any of that have to do with the thread topic? The trailer for the Miles bio pic is the topic.

Ask the person who started it, not me. razz I replied to TD3 and a 3rd party started talking about not knowing about black culture, Monkees, and whatever. lol It's not the first time.

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #52 posted 02/04/16 2:50pm

namepeace

Graycap23 said:

namepeace said:


Hendrix lives in the neighorhood, but not on the street. I could think of a scant few, maybe two, that rival Miles in terms of power and influence. Miles sold well and was the epitome of cool in his prime, and nearly 3 generations later, he still does and is.

Wow............I never knew this.

I guess I should have been be paying more attention to Miles.

I own his entire catalogue and have listened once.


Heck, Miles is in the RRHOF. Based on my (limited) familiarity with your musical tastes, I think you'd enjoy the electro-/fusion stuff he did later. But I enjoy his bop years the best.

He helped build jazz into a phenomenon.

Then he declared it dead (which actually IMO helped accelerate jazz's commerical decline).

From there, he went all-in on electro-jazz/fusion, which in turn helped create a whole new dimension and audience for jazz, but also (it's argued) influenced pop, R&B and rock.

I don't dig his later catalogue as much as I dig his 50s and 60s work, but there's something in for everyone.

Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016

Props will be withheld until the showing and proving has commenced. -- Aaron McGruder
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Reply #53 posted 02/04/16 2:53pm

namepeace

Musicslave said:

namepeace said:


Hendrix lives in the neighorhood, but not on the street. I could think of a scant few, maybe two, that rival Miles in terms of power and influence. Miles sold well and was the epitome of cool in his prime, and nearly 3 generations later, he still does and is.

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And who might that scant few be?


Louis Armstrong and Elvis Presley were the 2 musicians I thought of in terms of power + influence. To hear the scholars tell it -- and I agree -- Louis Armstrong's innovations not only birthed what we have come to know as jazz, but also 20th century pop music itself.

Michael Jackson also came to mind based on the combination of those 2 criteria.

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Reply #54 posted 02/04/16 8:55pm

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This should be good. I only own On the Corner, Bitches Brew and Round About Midnight. Don't know anything about his life though.

Change it one more time..
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Reply #55 posted 02/06/16 9:11am

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MickyDolenz said:

babynoz said:

What does any of that have to do with the thread topic? The trailer for the Miles bio pic is the topic.

Ask the person who started it, not me. razz I replied to TD3 and a 3rd party started talking about not knowing about black culture, Monkees, and whatever. lol It's not the first time.

Looks like one of the race baiters is trying to get you to focus on race again. Funny how they all showed up in this thread. Go figure.

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Reply #56 posted 02/06/16 6:37pm

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3rdeyedude said:

MickyDolenz said:

Ask the person who started it, not me. razz I replied to TD3 and a 3rd party started talking about not knowing about black culture, Monkees, and whatever. lol It's not the first time.

Looks like one of the race baiters is trying to get you to focus on race again. Funny how they all showed up in this thread. Go figure.



What I'm focused on is the thread topic which is not me. Stop stalking me and holding a grudge over being banned and stop blaming others for your own shortcomings. rolleyes

Once again, the topic is the Miles Davis bio pic. Either comment on that or stfu.

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
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Reply #57 posted 02/06/16 6:51pm

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Wow looks good!

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Reply #58 posted 02/06/16 6:57pm

babynoz

mjscarousal said:

Wow looks good!



Don Cheadle is one of my favorite actors and I'm confident that he will give a stellar performance. nod

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Reply #59 posted 02/07/16 5:18am

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babynoz said:

missfee said:

Right! B/c he sure does seem like an extreme asshole! But a talented one! lol



My mom used to tell me that Miles was the most hateful man she ever met.

I really think Don Cheadle will do this role justice.

eek In what way? And how did she meet Miles, if you don't mind sharing?

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