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Reply #30 posted 02/03/16 1:36pm

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favs in order

funny how time flies

when i think of you

pleasure principle

lets wait awhile'

nasty

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what have you done for me lately

you can be mine

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it seems weird now how short albums use to be.

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Reply #31 posted 02/03/16 1:48pm

Musicslave

Just heard this entire remix for the first time....Radio would only play so much of this long ass, dope remix....

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Reply #32 posted 02/04/16 9:36am

alphastreet

Thanks for posting the almost 20 minute version!!! I enjoyed that so much last night, that remix was really a NJS pre-cursor and feels almost like the RN sound evolved from that. The other one you posted, that's the one I had for years and would blast on headphones.

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Reply #33 posted 02/04/16 11:45am

Musicslave

alphastreet said:

Thanks for posting the almost 20 minute version!!! I enjoyed that so much last night, that remix was really a NJS pre-cursor and feels almost like the RN sound evolved from that. The other one you posted, that's the one I had for years and would blast on headphones.

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You're welcome love. I just heard it myself yesterday. Like I said, radio would only play but so much of it. I never knew that joint was 18 freaking minutes.

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Here's a "Get off my lawn" moment: Nowadays, people just rent-a-rapper and add 16 bars and call it a "remix".

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Reply #34 posted 02/04/16 1:04pm

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"In Honor of ‪#‎CONTROL30‬ 🙌 - BETSoul will play an entire 3 HR block ofJanet Jackson videos at 10A, 6P and 2A EST!

Happy Anniversary Janet 💃🏾💁🏾
We can not wait for The Unbreakable Tour!"

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“In Honor of #CONTROL30 - #BETsoul will play an entire 3 HR block of @JanetJackson videos at 10A, 6P and 2A EST! https://t.co/izovNYh8vi
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Reply #35 posted 02/04/16 2:35pm

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BET knows how to give love!!! I miss having BET though I don't miss what it's become.
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Reply #36 posted 02/04/16 3:58pm

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Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-LAMMIN' album! The first time I ever heard WHYDFML, I nearly CREAMED myself! Funk 2 the FULLEST! LOVE ME some J.J.!!! <3

Hungry? Just look in the mirror and get fed up.
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Reply #37 posted 02/04/16 6:47pm

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Reporter's Notebook

Janet Jackson's 'Control' at 30: A look back

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Think about the first time you heard Janet Jackson’s “Control.”

Were you on the dance floor of a dimly lighted nightclub? A high school dance? The record store? Listening to the radio? However you heard it, your body more than likely moved to the pulse of its frenetic, intricate beat.

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And then at some point you listened to the lyrics. Really listened.

The words were impossible to ignore, by design of Jackson’s aggressive assertion of independence in the song’s introduction.

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“This is a story about control: my control,” Jackson proclaimed, her voice soft but steady. “Control of what I say. Control of what I do, and this time I’m going to do it my way.”

Three decades have passed since Jackson broke out on her own and embarked on a career that would provide the blueprint for a generation of pop stars after her. And 30 years later, Jackson’s influence remains omnipresent in today’s pop landscape -- much of which is owed to “Control.”

Janet Jackson through the years

It's a remarkable achievement, considering Jackson's rocky path to her breakout album. Before the release of "Control" on Feb.4, 1986, the youngest member of the talented Jackson family had yet to find her voice. Not that she hadn’t tried.

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Guided by her infamous showbiz dad, Joe Jackson, her early efforts -- 1982’s self-titled debut and “Dream Street” two years later – traversed a safe path through bubblegum pop and soul. Neither albums sold much, though, with her debut landing outside the Top 50 and its follow-up languishing at No. 147.

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Before “Control” the general public largely saw Janet as the precocious kid sister to her very famous older brothers. She was the sassy scene stealer on the Jacksons’ variety show. She was cute-as-a-button as Penny on “Good Times.” And at 18 she appeared on the TV drama-musical “Fame.”

But no matter what she did, she couldn't escape the shadow of her megastar brother, Michael, who himself shed his own child star image for a mature look with the slinky, disco-inflected “Off the Wall” at the tail end of the '70s.

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Desperate to be heard, Jackson finally took control.

Just approaching her 20s, Janet left the comforts of home and family in Los Angeles and ventured to Minneapolis to work with Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis, a songwriting and production duo who were members of the Time, the Prince-associated band fronted byMorris Day that helped establish the electro-funk sound of the city in the '80s.

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Together they fused a blend of R&B, disco,

.rock and dancepop that would go on to define contemporary R&B.

Innovative sound aside, “Control” really served as Jackson’s coming out party, with her firmly planting her foot and walking into adulthood. There was lots to talk about on the album’s taut, expertly crafted tracks -- establishing her independence from an overbearing father, coming of age, an annulment from a rebellious teenage marriage -- and she said it all with a boldness and sense of freedom that still hits hard.

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"Give me a beat!" she commands on “Nasty,” a punchy pushback to a man who has overstepped his boundaries.

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"What Have You Done for Me Lately," an in-your-face kiss-off, will never lose its anthemic flair. “The Pleasure Principle” saw her detailing how she desired, and deserved, to be loved. “Let’s Wait Awhile” coolly preached safe sex and abstinence while “When I Think of You” showed her ability to be fun, flirty and vulnerable in one swift take.

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Start to finish "Control" is a knockout. Even the cover -- Jackson's stark pose accentuated with colorful brushstrokes, her name atop an abstract exclamation mark -- is a declaration of attitude.

“Whether it's Janet vowing "This time I'm gonna do it my way" or engaging in orgasmic moans and pillow talk -- in French, no less -- she proves that Michael isn't the only one in the family with a flair for taking chances,” the L.A. Times review read that year. “'Control' … is a real risk-taker. Though still a teen-ager, this singer's stance is remarkably nervy and mature. She has a snotty sort of assurance that permeates several cuts, plus the musical muscle to back it up.”

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If the album didn’t make you fall in love with Janet, there were the accompanying music videos.

Exquisitely choreographed, the visuals solidified her emergence as a pop music force and contributed to five of the album’s singles becoming top five smashes on the charts.

As an obsessive follower of the Jackson clan, much of my passion for pop music is deeply connected to this family, particularly Michael and Janet. I even once made my parents make a stop in Gary, Ind., on a family vacation so that I could touch their house.

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But where my love of Michael fixated on his almost superhuman talent, my admiration for Janet was always grounded in what she had to say.

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I still remember the first time I really listened closely to "Control."

It was my go-to during my semi-rebellious teenage years when I thought I was too grown to be told what to do. After all, I got my first job, was pulling mostly A's and had said goodbye to my virginity. I thought I knew everything.

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I was tired of listening to my parents. Tired of curfew. I was ready to be on my own, and ultimately I took the lyrics too literally. My life certainly wasn't hers, nor had I experienced a sliver of what Jackson had that drove her toward "Control" (those lessons came later).

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Though I didn't grasp its importance then, I've continued to revisit "Control" throughout the years, the same way I have with her other seminal works -- "Velvet Rope" and "Janet" especially -- and my appreciation and understanding has changed as I've gotten older.

In the years since “Control,” she's navigated a career that ignored, and shattered, boundaries of race, gender and genre.

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Jackson has explored whatever sound caught her ear -- from groove-heavy bedroom R&B and neo-soul to disco, house, industrial, new jack swing and funk.

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She’s provided the soundtrack to our feelings on love, lust, heartbreak, spirituality, sexual liberation, pain and politics. She's had plenty of professional misfires and rebounded, most recently with the comeback album "Unbreakable" and its triumphant tour (her endurance is as remarkable as her resilience really).

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Her lingering appeal has continued to prove itself. Rihanna's sexual freedom, Beyonce’s push for female empowerment, Ciara’s acrobatic footwork, FKA Twigs and Tinashe’s slinky, imaginative reinterpretations of R&B -- all of them take cues from Jackson's blueprint.

And all that began with "Control."

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gerrick.kennedy@latimes.com

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato

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Reply #38 posted 02/04/16 10:22pm

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Remembering 'Control' 30 Years Later: How Janet Jackson's Third Album Cemented Her Icon Status

Janet Jackson photographed in 1987.
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Be it a regrettable tattoo or choosing a college, your first “adult” decision is momentous. It’s a declaration of independence; a here-and-now expression of your identity, but more importantly, an assertion of who you want to be moving forward. For Janet Jackson, this moment came 30 years ago with the release of her third album Control.

In hindsight, Control is both evolutionary and revolutionary. As Jackson’s first album to land atop the Billboard 200, it marked professional and personal breakthroughs. Distancing herself from the immense Jackson family shadow, she created one of the most influential projects across contemporary R&B and pop music. And not only was Jackson’s maiden voyage with producers Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis at the forefront of R&B, pop and hip-hop’s intersection, it birthed a novel sound in the process. Above all, Control represented Jackson becoming a star by embracing and announcing her womanhood.

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Janet Jackson Earns Historic Seventh No. 1 Album on Billboard 200 Chart

Despite being her third album, Control was the beginning of Janet Jackson, the icon. Prior to that, she was best known for portraying other people on sitcoms Good Timesand Diff’rent Strokes, and the television adaptation of musical drama, Fame. Her foray into music was done at the behest of imperious stage father Joe Jackson. “I didn't want to do [the first record, Janet Jackson],” she told The Boston Globe in 1997. “I wanted to go to college. But I did it for my father.” And her father ensured that Jackson made the type of music that he wanted her to make. 1982’s Janet Jackson and 1984’s Dream Street were juvenile and largely forgettable because they lacked any discernable identity. Safe and nondescript, the albums were what a domineering patriarch would feel comfortable hearing from his teenage daughter. But with Jackson on the verge of adulthood, she was forced to seek independence -- musical and otherwise -- outside of the family.

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Some artist-producer tandems collaborate on sublime levels; Michael Jackson’s work with the legendary Quincy Jones, for example. It’s with Control that Janet Jackson began her pioneering relationship with Jam and Lewis. After Prince discharged the duo from the Morris Day-led outfit The Time, they began perfecting the “Minneapolis sound” -- a funky integration of rock, pop, and new wave that’s accented by extraterrestrial synths. Control presented the chance to establish something original for Jackson because her previous albums provided such a flimsy frame of reference.

“With Control, we got an opportunity to make a whole album with her, without scrutiny, because no one was saying, ‘I can't wait for the new Janet record,’” Jam told TheChicago Tribune last fall. This allowed both sides to start with a clean slate. Jackson moved to Minneapolis to work on the album, absorbing Jam and Lewis’ sound at their Flyte Tyme Studios. Assuming a larger creative role than ever before, she split co-writer and producer credits with the pair, helping to dictate arrangements and instrumentation all while branding Control with a personality the world was previously unaware existed.

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Jackson was somewhat of a curated enigma at the time. Her identity was largely shaped by her family’s image, a situation she sought to correct at Control’s onset. The album is front-loaded with more assertive songs by design -- Jackson wanted to reintroduce herself as a confident, capable young woman. “It’s all about control, and I’ve got lots of it,” she proclaims just before Jam and Lewis’ glitzy slide arrives on the title track. After demanding a beat, she confronts street harassment on the melodically industrial New Jack Swing primer “Nasty.” Lead single “What Have You Done for Me Lately” is a thinly-veiled kiss off to ex-husband James DeBarge, whom Jackson married on impulse and swiftly divorced the year before. Even seminal dance record “Pleasure Principle” is about her grabbing personal matters by the horns and steering them to beneficial outcomes.

Yet because Jackson was just three months shy of 20, there’s still an exuberance toControl. “When I Think of You” is all Saturday morning eagerness; “He Doesn’t Know I’m Alive” all bashful sparkle. The latter marks a progression from crushes names being scribbled affectionately in notebooks to the innocence of “Let’s Wait Awhile” (which, despite the difference in tone, is just as feminist as “Nasty”) before ending with Jackson’s moans amidst the quiet storm sensuality of “Funny How Time Flies (When You’re Having Fun).” This was the full spectrum of thoughts and feelings consuming a young woman as she matured.

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If Jackson’s marriage to DeBarge is viewed as a post-high school act of rebellion,Control and the years immediately following its release were her collegiate experience. The album itself was the inception of her adulthood; a college-age Jackson choosing a major. Growing up is a process, and Control was the beginning of a natural one that aligned with Jackson’s ascent up the ranks of greatness. All of the transcendent pop stars, Jackson included, have maintained their longevity by reinventing themselves through the years. They’re vampires. Control was the first time she did this, and, as with everyone, Jackson’s identity was modified over time. Every version of Janet Jackson, especially from Control to 2001’s All for You, has been vastly different. She now exerts enough power to disappear for years, then tour and release new music like last year’s Unbreakable upon returning. It’s no coincidence that Unbreakable was her strongest output it in years: it was her reunion with Jam and Lewis, who she hadn’t worked with since 2006’s 20 Y.O., a celebration of her career arc since Control’s debut.

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On one hand, Control’s impact can be measured through accolades. It’s sold upwards of 14 million records; seven of its nine songs infiltrated airwaves; six were top 20 hits and five cracked the top five. It even earned Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis a Grammy for Producer of the Year, Non-Classical. But on the other, influence best quantifies its importance. Beyoncé similarly fired her father, Mathew Knowles, as her manager ahead of releasing her best work, and newer artists like Tinashe have co-opted elements of Control -- from the music to Jackson’s aura during that era. Tinashe, likeCiara before her, is a stylistic disciple of Jackson, and Control opened the door for both Beyoncé and Rihanna to amass and wield the authority they hold.

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To this day, Control is about liberation. It’s the moment Janet Jackson stopped being Michael’s little sister and began the path to a catalog rivaling his. It’s when she established her own legacy as opposed to living up to her family’s.

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"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato

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Reply #39 posted 02/06/16 1:25pm

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MAN! I'm SO GLAD there are music writers WITHOUT historical amnesia who (be they fans or not) REMEMBER the impact Janet has had. Too many others, fans and buyers of music included seem to have forgotten or never knew. Which begs the question, is being ahistorical a hallmark of being a millenial? (i won't jack the thread. but i think so cause they also believe the world is post-racial now). But yeah, Jan was dat deal! Lemme find Control on Spotify!

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Reply #40 posted 02/06/16 1:35pm

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Nick Ashford was someone I greatly admired, had the honor of knowing, and was the real-life inspiration for Cowboy Curtis' hair. RIP Nick. - Pee Wee Herman
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Reply #41 posted 02/06/16 1:54pm

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getxxxx said:


I remember there being two volumes of this Control VHS, but I can't figure out what the other would have offered differently.

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Reply #42 posted 02/06/16 2:11pm

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If you ask me, she never topped the "Control" album. I was in the sixth grade when she dropped "What Have You Done For Me Lately", and its still my favorite Janet song. nod

Make it so, Number One...
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Reply #43 posted 02/06/16 2:49pm

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I think one control vhs had the first 2 or 3 music videos and the other had the rest. I remember seeing it at the video rental
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Reply #44 posted 02/07/16 11:44am

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UncleJam said:

If you ask me, she never topped the "Control" album. I was in the sixth grade when she dropped "What Have You Done For Me Lately", and its still my favorite Janet song. nod


When did you stop buying her albums?

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Reply #45 posted 02/07/16 11:48am

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Now THIS is a Janet album. My favourite alongside Rhythm Nation. I wasn't too big on janet and Velvet Rope has its moments. However most of her work after that I have to pick and choose certain tracks but haven't enjoyed her albums as a whole since VR.

Now admittedly I haven't heard her newest album. Will have to get around to it sometime.

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Reply #46 posted 02/07/16 1:16pm

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Cinny said:

UncleJam said:

If you ask me, she never topped the "Control" album. I was in the sixth grade when she dropped "What Have You Done For Me Lately", and its still my favorite Janet song. nod


When did you stop buying her albums?

Last one I remember paying attention to was 'janet' (the one with "That's the Way Love Goes"). One of my best friends is into Janet like I'm into Prince, so she has kept me up over the years...and she gets mad at me every time I say "She never topped Control!" smile

Make it so, Number One...
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Reply #47 posted 02/07/16 3:51pm

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The only time I got chills from watching a female entertainer.

She just had it all. I loved all her live performances from this era.

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Reply #48 posted 02/07/16 4:28pm

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So kick ass , so in control
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Reply #49 posted 02/07/16 9:23pm

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datdude said:

MAN! I'm SO GLAD there are music writers WITHOUT historical amnesia who (be they fans or not) REMEMBER the impact Janet has had. Too many others, fans and buyers of music included seem to have forgotten or never knew. Which begs the question, is being ahistorical a hallmark of being a millenial? (i won't jack the thread. but i think so cause they also believe the world is post-racial now). But yeah, Jan was dat deal! Lemme find Control on Spotify!

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CONTROL literally begat a slew of copycat albums by female singers of color. Janet, Jimmy and Terry hit a chord that hadn't been struck before in the industry. Here was this young black woman declaring her independence from her world-famous family in songs with eclectic, industrial, genre-defining beats, and at the same time executing iconic dance moves in her innovative, MTV-ready videos. I was immediately a fan.

"Get up off that grey line"
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Reply #50 posted 02/07/16 9:30pm

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The famous "LatelyBass" preset on the Yamaha TX81Z (used extensively on house and techno songs of the late 1980s and 1990s) was based on the bass tone of "What Have You Done for Me Lately", and subsequently named after it as well.

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"Get up off that grey line"
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Reply #51 posted 02/07/16 9:33pm

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LATELY is sampled in this number from Sister Act II
"Get up off that grey line"
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Reply #52 posted 02/07/16 9:37pm

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The 1990 drama series NASTY BOYS had "Nasty" as its theme song (sung by longtime JJ/TL collaborator Lisa Keith)

"Get up off that grey line"
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Reply #53 posted 02/07/16 9:41pm

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The WWE Nasty Boys used "Nasty" as their entrance theme in 1986

"Get up off that grey line"
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Reply #54 posted 02/07/16 9:42pm

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Danni Minogue (Kylie's sister) covered several CONTROL songs on TV

"Get up off that grey line"
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Reply #55 posted 02/07/16 9:44pm

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Kylie sampled "Control" on this track...

"Get up off that grey line"
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Reply #56 posted 02/07/16 9:48pm

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The '80s pop duo Boy Meets Girl wrote "How Will I Know" for the CONTROL project, but when Janet's people turned it down, they gave it to Whitney. Their one and only hit, "Waiting for a Star to Fall", is one of my favorite songs...


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"Get up off that grey line"
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Reply #57 posted 02/08/16 7:20am

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Never knew that, SEANMAN smile

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Reply #58 posted 02/08/16 4:40pm

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Ahhh, the Cool Summer Mix of Nasty. CLASSIC and smokes the lp version.... But if you don't have 20 minutes to spend with it, here's my edit: I condensed both parts down to a killer 8 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/w...drMiLq0Pqw
Keep your headphones on.
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Reply #59 posted 02/08/16 5:51pm

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SEANMAN said:

The '80s pop duo Boy Meets Girl wrote "How Will I Know" for the CONTROL project, but when Janet's people turned it down, they gave it to Whitney. Their one and only hit, "Waiting for a Star to Fall", is one of my favorite songs...


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Omg I looooove that song

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