phunkdaddy said:

MickyDolenz said:

You sure are negative about nothing. There's no horror. The question is sales and urban contemporary does not generate bigger sales or more popularity, Top 40 airplay does. A Top 40 act also gets more media attention (which is more promotion) than an urban only act. Why do you think people try to crossover? Michael Jackson's Thriller wouldn't have sold anywhere near the amount it did with only the R&B audience. Urban contemporary plays a lot of oldies. They're not primarily focused on new music like the regular R&B stations and Top 40, which is how an act gets a popular hit record, not one that is known to a smaller niche audience. Let's look at the Youtube numbers of music that was released in the last year or so, which is a good indicator of people knowing about a song, since in general albums don't sell the same as in the past as people often download stuff for free.

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Songs primarily on urban contemporary:

Jahiem ~ Back In My Arms 308,808

Vivian Green ~ Get Right Back To My Baby 1,075,373

Jodeci ~ Every Moment 3,816,804

Avery Sunshine ~ Call My Name 867,170

Jill Scott ~ Fools Gold 1,523,620

Charlie Wilson ~ My Favorite Part Of You 317,425

Tyrese ~ Shame 5,707,391

Kem ~ Nobody 999,454

Johnny Gill ~ Behind Closed Doors 1,453,878

Jazmine Sullivan ~ Forever Don't Last 845,918

Jazmine Sullivan ~ Let It Burn 4,453,469

Babyface ~ We've Got Love 616,549

D'Angelo and The Vanguard ~ Really Love 3,390,088

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Songs with Top 40 or R&B/hip hop airplay:

Beyoncé ~ 7/11 304,799,180

Adele ~ Hello 1,091,994,982

Post Malone ~ White Iverson 99,604,331

Fifth Harmony feat. Kid Ink ~ Worth It 614,424,099

Rihanna ~ Bitch Better Have My Money 70,463,121

Fetty Wap feat. Remy Boyz ~ 679 132,310,633

Mark Ronson ft. Bruno Mars ~ Uptown Funk 1,335,616,356

Alessia Cara ~ Here 56,668,289

Chris Brown ~ Liquor / Zero (explicit) 18,025,253

Justin Bieber ~ Sorry 734,028,933

Taylor Swift feat. Kendrick Lamar ~ Bad Blood 739,663,737

David Guetta feat Nicki Minaj, Bebe Rexha & Afrojack ~ Hey Mama 595,332,793

Pitbull feat. Chris Brown ~ Fun 109,145,724

What the hell is a White Iverson?

I'm scared to hear it.

Wow..............those lists are fairly unimpressive.

Rolling Stone just ran a piece on De La Soul's upcoming Kickstarter-funded album. First goal of 110,000 was met x6!

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http://www.rollingstone.c...201?page=2

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These super talented gentlemen offered very creative incentives and their project sounds like one of the most avant garde hip hop projects in memory featuring guests like Damon Albarn, David Byrne, Jill Scott, Pete Rock, etc. - quite a roster. I'm excited to hear it! I wish these ladies equal success and, most of all, inspiration/creativity. Thats what drew people to TLC in the first place.

MickyDolenz said:

TLC crossed over with their very first album. Their second one "CrazySexyCool" set a record for highest selling female group in history.They were NEVER considered just an rnb group..

laurarichardson said:

---- I was being sarcastic!!! You are saying why should TLC bother when they will only get on RnB radio well could it because they an RnB group and their music may not appeal to pop audeinces. No one ask country music artist or jazz artist to change their music to crossover. Can't believe you don't get it.

Humor & sarcasm is not always easy to determine in print. Anyway I didn't say that TLC shouldn't bother. I was responding to the other poster who said the album will flop without Left Eye & the original producers. I said it wouldn't make a difference with Left Eye as far as selling like they did in their heyday. There's ageism in hit oriented radio. Urban contemporary will play some older acts. But the audience is limited, so airplay there won't result in getting blockbuster popularity. That's why I said that. Top 40 radio and/or media attention is still the main way to get mainstream popular songs if not actual CD sales. Social media is important for current popular acts too.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

TLC crossed over with their very first album. Their second one "CrazySexyCool" set a record for highest selling female group in history.They were NEVER considered just an rnb group..

If an act has to crossover, then they were not mainstream in the first place. TLC became mainstream. Tone Loc crossed over with his first single Wild Thing and he had a popular album too. But most rap at the time did not cross over. Like most New Jack Swing did not cross over, though Bobby Brown did. Debbie Gibson and Bryan Adams did not have to cross over.

TLC was never labeled an RnB group. They crossed over with the first album. The label crossover will always be used when a group or artist is black.

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

TLC was never labeled an RnB group. They crossed over with the first album. The label crossover will always be used when a group or artist is black.

No, some country acts crossed over to pop and so do did some heavy metal and those Gregorian Chant albums in the early 1990s. George Strait has more Top 10 songs on the country singles chart than anyone else on any chart. But he did not crossover to Top 40 pop like Kenny Rogers did. Oak Ridge Boys crossed over with Elvira. Country itself is not mainstream. That's why theres a separate chart for it. Ricky Martin crossed over from Latin music in the 1990s. Glam metal bands like Motley Crue and crossed over from the metal audience. TLC was labeled an R&B group, they were not called a new age group. TLC charted on the R&B chart, Nirvana & Counting Crows didn't chart R&B. So TLC is a R&B group. Tracy Chapman is black and Hootie & The Blowfish has a black singer and they did not crossover, they got pop airplay from the beginning. They also got little if any R&B radio airplay, so they couldn't have crossed over. Tracy had a minor R&B hit Give Me One Reason, which was years after her first album. That didn't even make Top 30 R&B.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

I don't believe in labeling a group. People like what they like. Everybody identified with TLC. Even though you have to also factor in the drama involved. Lisa burning down her boyfriends crib,Bum rushing Arista Records for their money,Chili getting pregnant by Dallas etc,T-Boz having Sickle Cell Anemia. All of that sells records also.

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SoulAlive said:

I don't think that anybody (not even the two members) are expecting this album to sell 10 million copies. It's just a final album that they want to give to their fans.Charts and sales shouldn't matter this time around.

That's exactly what it is. Or they would have gone with a record label.

badujunkie said:

Is unreleased Lisa verse making the album? Or

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I sure hope there is no Lil Mamma or whatev her name was.

Lil Mamma would be perfect as Lisa's replacement. She can dance,rap & even sing...

"TC L not replace" - Can U Hear Me

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Finding a "replacement", including that dreadful reality show, was a huge misstep.

badujunkie said:

Is unreleased Lisa verse making the album? Or

I read something about this. Lisa was already beefing with TLC during the making of Fanmail, and since TC had to sift through the vault for Lisa material for 3D, there isn't much left. Left Eye recorded N.I.N.A. for Death Row, and Supernova is lesser known but they aren't "unreleased".

Most of the raps on 3d were from Supernova (an album I listened to 40 times back when I was obsessed with them). I think Girl Talk was the only new Left-Eye rap on that cd.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Lil Mamma would be perfect as Lisa's replacement. She can dance,rap & even sing...

I think Da Brat might have been a good replacement for Lisa not sure how fans would have responded though...lol...but her style sorta reminds me of Lisa

SoulAlive said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Lil Mamma would be perfect as Lisa's replacement. She can dance,rap & even sing...

I think Da Brat might have been a good replacement for Lisa not sure how fans would have responded though...lol...but her style sorta reminds me of Lisa

Da Brat-tat-tat-tat was fashioned more like a female Snoop Doggy Dogg. Her brand is not as clean cut (or abstract) as Left Eye's was, IMHO.

So lame if Arista and/or management and or somebody somewhere in the camp (or Kickstater fund can't go to Lopes family directly) and make sure some fresh, unreleased outtakes of Lisa are included in this. Or else this isn't TLC. Sorry loves.

SoulAlive said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Lil Mamma would be perfect as Lisa's replacement. She can dance,rap & even sing...

I think Da Brat might have been a good replacement for Lisa not sure how fans would have responded though...lol...but her style sorta reminds me of Lisa

NEVER! She is too alpha male for this group. Lisa was tomboyish but NOT butch...Da Brat & T-Boz would clash...

badujunkie said:

So lame if Arista and/or management and or somebody somewhere in the camp (or Kickstater fund can't go to Lopes family directly) and make sure some fresh, unreleased outtakes of Lisa are included in this. Or else this isn't TLC. Sorry loves.

Listen. Lisa called Dallas Austin "The Manipulator" in 1999 and was the main dude who recorded her voice. Her whole beef was that she wasn't being recorded. She died in 2002. There isn't a huge vault of leftover TLC stuff either! Left Eye probably had heaps of poetry written but not vocals stored on a reel.