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Reply #60 posted 01/14/16 12:12pm

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Beautifulstarr123 said:

mjscarousal said:

I LOVE Serious Effect music. Its such a groovy song!

Is these songs you're all talking about off the 'Xscape' album?

Not, they're from Dangerous sessions

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Reply #61 posted 01/16/16 1:46am

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Do you think the Dangerous album will ever be re released with bonus tracks?
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Reply #62 posted 01/16/16 8:13am

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Do you think the Dangerous album will ever be re released with bonus tracks?

I DO NOT KNOW BECAUSE LOST OF DEMOS HAVE BENN LEAKED SO FAR.

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Reply #63 posted 01/16/16 11:34am

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214 said:



Toofunkyinhere said:


Do you think the Dangerous album will ever be re released with bonus tracks?

I DO NOT KNOW BECAUSE LOST OF DEMOS HAVE BENN LEAKED SO FAR.



MJ fans will purchase anyway. All the Xscape songs were leaked like a year or two in advance. Still sold around 500,000.

I'd repurchase for the packing alone, lol. But yeah, I don't know if there's gonna be a Dangerous 25 or even a rerelease. The Off The Wall 35 was slightly missed but we get a new documentary with the old cd. The MJ estate tried to target a huge audience with Bad 25 when they should've been targeting fans. Hopefully they give the fans what they want and try not to go too commercial with it.

But knowing the estate, it'll probably be 2017 when we get another album full of remixes instead of a Dangerous 25.
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Reply #64 posted 01/16/16 2:37pm

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tongueinthecrease said:

214 said:

I DO NOT KNOW BECAUSE LOST OF DEMOS HAVE BENN LEAKED SO FAR.

MJ fans will purchase anyway. All the Xscape songs were leaked like a year or two in advance. Still sold around 500,000. I'd repurchase for the packing alone, lol. But yeah, I don't know if there's gonna be a Dangerous 25 or even a rerelease. The Off The Wall 35 was slightly missed but we get a new documentary with the old cd. The MJ estate tried to target a huge audience with Bad 25 when they should've been targeting fans. Hopefully they give the fans what they want and try not to go too commercial with it. But knowing the estate, it'll probably be 2017 when we get another album full of remixes instead of a Dangerous 25.

who were the fans from Bad on and who were the fans prior to Bad

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Reply #65 posted 01/16/16 2:55pm

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Scorp said:



tongueinthecrease said:


214 said:


I DO NOT KNOW BECAUSE LOST OF DEMOS HAVE BENN LEAKED SO FAR.



MJ fans will purchase anyway. All the Xscape songs were leaked like a year or two in advance. Still sold around 500,000. I'd repurchase for the packing alone, lol. But yeah, I don't know if there's gonna be a Dangerous 25 or even a rerelease. The Off The Wall 35 was slightly missed but we get a new documentary with the old cd. The MJ estate tried to target a huge audience with Bad 25 when they should've been targeting fans. Hopefully they give the fans what they want and try not to go too commercial with it. But knowing the estate, it'll probably be 2017 when we get another album full of remixes instead of a Dangerous 25.



who were the fans from Bad on and who were the fans prior to Bad



Forgive me, but I don't understand what you're asking.

Who are the fans they gained during Bad 25 vs. the fans they already have?
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Reply #66 posted 01/16/16 3:58pm

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Scorp said:

who were the fans from Bad on and who were the fans prior to Bad

Forgive me, but I don't understand what you're asking. Who are the fans they gained during Bad 25 vs. the fans they already have?

what I'm saying is, prior to Bad, a large segment of the greater public were fans of Michael's

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Reply #67 posted 01/16/16 6:55pm

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Scorp said:



tongueinthecrease said:


Scorp said:




who were the fans from Bad on and who were the fans prior to Bad



Forgive me, but I don't understand what you're asking. Who are the fans they gained during Bad 25 vs. the fans they already have?



what I'm saying is, prior to Bad, a large segment of the greater public were fans of Michael's



Casual, maybe. I'm talking about the hardcore fans that actually care about rereleases/anniversaries. What casual Prince fans care about a Lovesexy remaster with extra tracks? A Lovesexy remaster with extra tracks would be targeted toward fans. Now imagine 3 of the tracks being dubstep/modernized remixes with shitty lyrics. Very, very few fans want those three tracks to waste space where unreleased tracks could be. Get what I'm saying?
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Reply #68 posted 01/16/16 8:48pm

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Scorp said:

what I'm saying is, prior to Bad, a large segment of the greater public were fans of Michael's

Casual, maybe. I'm talking about the hardcore fans that actually care about rereleases/anniversaries. What casual Prince fans care about a Lovesexy remaster with extra tracks? A Lovesexy remaster with extra tracks would be targeted toward fans. Now imagine 3 of the tracks being dubstep/modernized remixes with shitty lyrics. Very, very few fans want those three tracks to waste space where unreleased tracks could be. Get what I'm saying?

I wouldn't say casual because w/out that support, Bad, Dangerous, History never exists

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Reply #69 posted 01/17/16 2:05am

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Scorp said:



tongueinthecrease said:


Scorp said:




what I'm saying is, prior to Bad, a large segment of the greater public were fans of Michael's



Casual, maybe. I'm talking about the hardcore fans that actually care about rereleases/anniversaries. What casual Prince fans care about a Lovesexy remaster with extra tracks? A Lovesexy remaster with extra tracks would be targeted toward fans. Now imagine 3 of the tracks being dubstep/modernized remixes with shitty lyrics. Very, very few fans want those three tracks to waste space where unreleased tracks could be. Get what I'm saying?



I wouldn't say casual because w/out that support, Bad, Dangerous, History never exists


A TLDR version of what I'm going to say: Casual MJ fans from the 80s to 90s a very different from casual fans today simply because of modern music tastes in general and their basic understanding of MJ's impact.

If you want to read: They would still definitely exist without casual support. But, going along with what you said, the casual MJ fans from back then were exposed to music similar to what was on the charts at the time. There is no new jack swing (Dangerous' main influence) on today's radio. Music has taken a very techno/club turn, which is why some techno/club music was included in Bad 25 and marketed toward the general public instead of toward the fans who actually care. Michael fans would be into the new jack swing and MJ pop from Dangerous more than the general population and/or casual fans. Not only would they still be into it, they would interested in extra tracks since it's considered rare to them.

Blah blah blah, long explanation short, I'm gonna stick with what I've said. They should target the fans instead of looking like try hards marketing toward a sound that's gonna be long gone and cringeworthy in about 10 years. When Michael was here for the 2008 release of Thriller 25, he worked with the people who did the remixes for that album, so they sound like MJ remixes. Now that he isn't here, they need to just focus on the fans and undisturbed, unreleased material.
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Reply #70 posted 01/17/16 5:46am

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Just thought about it. You're talking about Bad (1987) and I'm talking about Bad 25 (2012 reissue). Add that to my previous post.
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Reply #71 posted 01/17/16 10:53am

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214 said:



Beautifulstarr123 said:


mjscarousal said:

I LOVE Serious Effect music. Its such a groovy song!



Is these songs you're all talking about off the 'Xscape' album?

Not, they're from Dangerous sessions



Ok, thanks 214.
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Reply #72 posted 01/17/16 2:29pm

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For UK orgers, Jacksons Next Generation is on Lifetime on Sky, it's also in the ondemand section on Sky too on the Liftetime channel, think only two episodes have been shown so far. Just watched the first one earlier so both are currently on there now.

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Reply #73 posted 01/21/16 10:14pm

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0YnWOrFfs




^ I don't know what that is but it's too strong to be nothing.



There are strong elements of Why You Wanna Trip On Me in there (and by elements, I mean actual samples). It is an incredible instrumental, even if fake. But I have a hunch that I've heard this before and it was proven a fake, though I'm not certain. However, I think whoever created it should have a job with the estate. That is insanely MJ-ish. If it turns out to be authentic, I won't be the least bit upset. But I think it's a crafty blend of samples and original instruments. The snare sound sounds like it was taken from the Dangerous DVD 5.1 mix of Why You Wanna Trip on Me though.
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Reply #74 posted 01/22/16 6:00am

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In less than 2 weeks. Brace Yourself!

Keep on with the FORKS, Don't Stop! Its obvious Questlove had a bootleg copy of "Off the Wall", probably a cassette. If he had an original album/vinyl he would certainly have gotten the lyrics..MJ had them printed on the inside of the fold-out album cover. I always rembered that because I had never seen it done that way before ...or since.

[Edited 1/24/16 23:09pm]

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Reply #75 posted 01/26/16 5:48pm

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https://soundcloud.com/majikreed/stevie-wonder-i-cant-help-it-live-in-studio

Stevie ICHI demo. Added verse that MJ didn't do on OTW.

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Reply #76 posted 01/27/16 1:06am

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https://soundcloud.com/majikreed/stevie-wonder-i-cant-help-it-live-in-studio

Stevie ICHI demo. Added verse that MJ didn't do on OTW.

Amazing! Thank you!

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Reply #77 posted 01/27/16 11:31am

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Joseph Fiennes Will Play Michael Jackson In The Weirdest Road Trip Movie Of All Time

Michael Jackson attends a charity event November 1, 1995 for Africa.© Andrew Shawaf/Online USA Michael Jackson attends a charity event November 1, 1995 for Africa.

Stop me if you've heard this one before. Michael Jackson, Marlon Brando and Elizabeth Taylor road-trip to Ohio after the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

No, that's not the setup for the world's worst joke. It's an actual plot, for an actual movie, based on what's rumored to be a true story.

But wait, it gets weirder. In news unlikely to sit well with those protesting the lack of di...the Oscars (and Hollywood in general), The Guardian reports Michael Jackson will be p...ph Fiennes, a white man.

Joseph Fiennes speaks on stage during the "Shakespeare Uncovered" panel at the PBS 2015 Winter TCA on Tuesday, Jan. 20, 2015, in Pasadena, Calif. (Photo by Richard Shotwell/Invision/AP) Richard Shotwell/Invision/AP© Richard Shotwell/Invision/AP Joseph Fiennes speaks on stage during the "Shakespeare Uncovered" panel at the PBS 2015 Winter TCA on Tuesday, Jan. 20, 2015, in Pasadena, Calif. (Photo by Richard Shotwell/Invision/AP) Richard Shotwell/Invision/APFiennes, who starred in "Shakespeare in Love" and "American Horror Story" will play alongside Brian Cox, who has been cast as Brando, and Stockard Channing, of "Grease" fame, as Liz Taylor.

"I got the script the other day,” Fiennes told WENN. “It’s a challenge. It’s a comedy. It doesn’t poke mean fun, but it’s a story, possibly urban legend, whereby Michael, Marlon Brando, and Liz Taylor were all together the day before 9/11 doing a concert. Airspace was shut down and they couldn’t get out and Michael had the bright idea to go to hire a car and drive."

Fiennes hinted at humorous moments built around Brando's incessant desire for fast food along the journey, but suggested it wouldn't all be fun and happy meals.

"It’s a fun, lighthearted tongue-in-cheek road trip of what celebrity of that kind is like," he said. "But also it’s rather beautiful and poignant about their relationships as well.”

http://www.msn.com/en-us/...ar-BBoL1yi

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Reply #78 posted 01/27/16 1:46pm

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Joseph Fiennes Will Play Michael Jackson In The Weirdest Road Trip Movie Of All Time



Michael Jackson attends a charity event November 1, 1995 for Africa.© Andrew Shawaf/Online USA Michael Jackson attends a charity event November 1, 1995 for Africa.


Stop me if you've heard this one before. Michael Jackson, Marlon Brando and Elizabeth Taylor road-trip to Ohio after the 9/11 terrorist attacks.


No, that's not the setup for the world's worst joke. It's an actual plot, for an actual movie, based on what's rumored to be a true story.


But wait, it gets weirder. In news unlikely to sit well with those protesting the lack of di...the Oscars (and Hollywood in general), The Guardian reports Michael Jackson will be p...ph Fiennes, a white man.


Joseph Fiennes speaks on stage during the "Shakespeare Uncovered" panel at the PBS 2015 Winter TCA on Tuesday, Jan. 20, 2015, in Pasadena, Calif. (Photo by Richard Shotwell/Invision/AP) Richard Shotwell/Invision/AP© Richard Shotwell/Invision/AP Joseph Fiennes speaks on stage during the "Shakespeare Uncovered" panel at the PBS 2015 Winter TCA on Tuesday, Jan. 20, 2015, in Pasadena, Calif. (Photo by Richard Shotwell/Invision/AP) Richard Shotwell/Invision/APFiennes, who starred in "Shakespeare in Love" and "American Horror Story" will play alongside Brian Cox, who has been cast as Brando, and Stockard Channing, of "Grease" fame, as Liz Taylor.


"I got the script the other day,” Fiennes told WENN. “It’s a challenge. It’s a comedy. It doesn’t poke mean fun, but it’s a story, possibly urban legend, whereby Michael, Marlon Brando, and Liz Taylor were all together the day before 9/11 doing a concert. Airspace was shut down and they couldn’t get out and Michael had the bright idea to go to hire a car and drive."


Fiennes hinted at humorous moments built around Brando's incessant desire for fast food along the journey, but suggested it wouldn't all be fun and happy meals.


"It’s a fun, lighthearted tongue-in-cheek road trip of what celebrity of that kind is like," he said. "But also it’s rather beautiful and poignant about their relationships as well.”



http://www.msn.com/en-us/...ar-BBoL1yi





Every time we about to witness a moment showing Michael's huge black following from his past, we get the counterplay to offset it

Happens every single time

Right on schedule
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Reply #79 posted 01/28/16 2:47pm

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hey,what's the story on this? Any bonus tracks?! Give me the details,please smile

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Reply #80 posted 01/28/16 3:18pm

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hey,what's the story on this? Any bonus tracks?! Give me the details,please smile

Not even one.

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Reply #81 posted 01/28/16 4:40pm

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SoulAlive said:

hey,what's the story on this? Any bonus tracks?! Give me the details,please smile




No bonus tracks, comes with a a DVD/BD of Spike Lee's new documentary, available for pre order now on the official MJ site. Still excited and still buying (for collection purposes)!!!!
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Reply #82 posted 01/29/16 1:07am

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^^sounds good to me.I really wanna see that DVD...gonna pre-order my copy now biggrin

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Reply #83 posted 01/30/16 2:00pm

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biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin Will be purchasing!! I am so excited! Spike Lee is the best thing that ever happened for MJ's legacy. I love all his documentaries and how he focuses on MJ's genius!

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Reply #84 posted 01/31/16 11:42am

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Scorp said:

OldFriends4Sale said:


Joseph Fiennes Will Play Michael Jackson In The Weirdest Road Trip Movie Of All Time



Michael Jackson attends a charity event November 1, 1995 for Africa.© Andrew Shawaf/Online USA Michael Jackson attends a charity event November 1, 1995 for Africa.


Stop me if you've heard this one before. Michael Jackson, Marlon Brando and Elizabeth Taylor road-trip to Ohio after the 9/11 terrorist attacks.


No, that's not the setup for the world's worst joke. It's an actual plot, for an actual movie, based on what's rumored to be a true story.


But wait, it gets weirder. In news unlikely to sit well with those protesting the lack of di...the Oscars (and Hollywood in general), The Guardian reports Michael Jackson will be p...ph Fiennes, a white man.


Joseph Fiennes speaks on stage during the "Shakespeare Uncovered" panel at the PBS 2015 Winter TCA on Tuesday, Jan. 20, 2015, in Pasadena, Calif. (Photo by Richard Shotwell/Invision/AP) Richard Shotwell/Invision/AP© Richard Shotwell/Invision/AP Joseph Fiennes speaks on stage during the "Shakespeare Uncovered" panel at the PBS 2015 Winter TCA on Tuesday, Jan. 20, 2015, in Pasadena, Calif. (Photo by Richard Shotwell/Invision/AP) Richard Shotwell/Invision/APFiennes, who starred in "Shakespeare in Love" and "American Horror Story" will play alongside Brian Cox, who has been cast as Brando, and Stockard Channing, of "Grease" fame, as Liz Taylor.


"I got the script the other day,” Fiennes told WENN. “It’s a challenge. It’s a comedy. It doesn’t poke mean fun, but it’s a story, possibly urban legend, whereby Michael, Marlon Brando, and Liz Taylor were all together the day before 9/11 doing a concert. Airspace was shut down and they couldn’t get out and Michael had the bright idea to go to hire a car and drive."


Fiennes hinted at humorous moments built around Brando's incessant desire for fast food along the journey, but suggested it wouldn't all be fun and happy meals.


"It’s a fun, lighthearted tongue-in-cheek road trip of what celebrity of that kind is like," he said. "But also it’s rather beautiful and poignant about their relationships as well.”



http://www.msn.com/en-us/...ar-BBoL1yi





Every time we about to witness a moment showing Michael's huge black following from his past, we get the counterplay to offset it

Happens every single time

Right on schedule
[Edited 1/27/16 13:48pm]



This. And once again some fans find nothing wrong with this. It's mind boggling how they think mj loved all races and using that to justify it. I don't think it's ok at all
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Reply #85 posted 01/31/16 11:43am

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mjscarousal said:

biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin Will be purchasing!! I am so excited! Spike Lee is the best thing that ever happened for MJ's legacy. I love all his documentaries and how he focuses on MJ's genius!



Me too, loving that chalkboard already!

I would to see a thriller one too.

You know, a dangerous one would be awesome. But I don't think it can be done without taking a defensive stance on colour
And maybe spike lee just wants to honour the music respectfully though he would be the perfect person to address and document the artistry of dangerous and history including his interactions with mj into s documentary
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Reply #86 posted 01/31/16 1:59pm

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A new book on LA Reid mentions MJ and someone we are also familiar with.

http://www.mjvibe.com/la-...-new-book/

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Reply #87 posted 01/31/16 2:14pm

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alphastreet said:

Scorp said:
Every time we about to witness a moment showing Michael's huge black following from his past, we get the counterplay to offset it Happens every single time Right on schedule [Edited 1/27/16 13:48pm]
This. And once again some fans find nothing wrong with this. It's mind boggling how they think mj loved all races and using that to justify it. I don't think it's ok at all [Edited 1/31/16 11:49am]

To that I say, so what? What's the alternative, a black actor, who's actually black and stays black on screen, protraying Michael as he was in '01?? A black actor, cacked in white make up with prostetics, playing Michael as he was in '01? Either way it's awkward. I remember at one point Michael was slated to play Edgar Allan Poe, who is white. There was no outcry about that.

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Reply #88 posted 01/31/16 2:48pm

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alphastreet said:


Scorp said:
Every time we about to witness a moment showing Michael's huge black following from his past, we get the counterplay to offset it Happens every single time Right on schedule [Edited 1/27/16 13:48pm]

This. And once again some fans find nothing wrong with this. It's mind boggling how they think mj loved all races and using that to justify it. I don't think it's ok at all [Edited 1/31/16 11:49am]


To that I say, so what? What's the alternative, a black actor, who's actually black and stays black on screen, protraying Michael as he was in '01?? A black actor, cacked in white make up with prostetics, playing Michael as he was in '01? Either way it's awkward. I remember at one point Michael was slated to play Edgar Allan Poe, who is white. There was no outcry about that.





Huge difference my friend

MJ was looking to portray a character's personality when the issue of race is not paramount


This guy casted to portray MJ is being done when the issue of racial indifference is front and center where the MJ of 2001 looked nothing like he did in 1979, not evem during BAD, because of a continuous physical transformation whereas if the transformation had not existed, than this guy would never been casted
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Reply #89 posted 01/31/16 3:51pm

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1.) We are not friends

2.) Same, same. Michael was offered the role of Edgar Allan Poe, because Michael didn't look black at that time. Fiennes was offered to play Michael because in '01 Michael didn't look black.

[Edited 1/31/16 15:53pm]

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