ChickenMcNuggets said:

Jack Gordon wasn't a barrel of laughs.

he's a full time pimp now in NY

NorthC said:

I forgot his name, but Sly Stone's manager needs to be in this list. He screwed Sly over for millions of dollars! Although Sly finally got his money ain a lawsuit few years ago. [Edited 12/7/15 9:23am]

Jerry (thieving SOB) Goldstein.

The same guy is still screwing over WAR to this day.

Johnny Wright

babynoz said:

MickyDolenz said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Details please?

He took 50% of Elvis earnings for one thing. It was rumored that the Colonel was not a US citizen and was here illegally and never left the US because he was afraid he would not be let back in. So Elvis could not perform in other countries. Elvis wanted to do more serious movies but the Colonel only had him do movies that were cheap to film and would make more money. The Colonel also had Elvis record songs he didn't like for the same reason. If the songwriter would not give up part of the publishing or give Elvis a writing credit (mostly the early stuff had a writing credit added), the Colonel would not let Elvis record the song. There were many songs that Elvis wanted to do, but was not allowed by the Colonel because of this. He also had Elvis playing in Vegas to cover his gambling debts.

Dolly Parton herself commented that Elvis wanted to record one of her songs, but she nixed that when it was on the condition that she wouldn't receive any credit/royalties from it. That certainly falls in line with the Colonel's practices.

Jerry Heller (NWA/Eazy-E)

SeventeenDayze said:

EmmaMcG said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Hey Orgers, who is the worst music manager of all time and why?

Mine. Can't say his name but he's English, early 50's (thereabouts) and the most ignorant man I've ever met. The reason? Nearly 5 years signed to a label, still nothing to show for it.

Just keep recording until you have something to show to the label they can get behind. I don't think anyone can gift you an album these days.

EmmaMcG said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Hey Orgers, who is the worst music manager of all time and why?

Mine. Can't say his name but he's English, early 50's (thereabouts) and the most ignorant man I've ever met. The reason? Nearly 5 years signed to a label, still nothing to show for it.

So, are you a singer?

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Louis Jay "Lou" Pearlman (born June 19, 1954) is an American impresario of successful 1990s boy bands such as the Backstreet Boys and NSYNC. In 2006, he was accused of running one of the largest and longest-running Ponzi schemes in American history, leaving more than $300 million in debts. After being apprehended, he pleaded guilty toconspiracy, money laundering, and making false statements during a bankruptcy proceeding. In 2008, Pearlman was convicted and sentenced to up to 25 years in prison.

Can someone tell me if it's possible for a singer/artist to be their OWN manager? Does that ever happen?

SeventeenDayze said:

Can someone tell me if it's possible for a singer/artist to be their OWN manager? Does that ever happen?

I Think Ed Sheeran is his own manager, but not sure.

SeventeenDayze said:

Can someone tell me if it's possible for a singer/artist to be their OWN manager? Does that ever happen?

I think Paul McCartney managed himself when he first started Wings and was playing colleges. Not sure on that though. But that was small scale and he was known already. The colleges probably wouldn't just agree to book an unknown act on short notice. It's probably easy for a small act to do, like a bar band. They would less likely to make enough money to pay a manager anyway. But that would be really difficult for a U2 or a Madonna. In a lot of cases, an established manager has contacts that the act on its own doesn't have access to.

JoeBala said:

paisleypark4 said:

Louis Jay "Lou" Pearlman (born June 19, 1954) is an American impresario of successful 1990s boy bands such as the Backstreet Boys and NSYNC. In 2006, he was accused of running one of the largest and longest-running Ponzi schemes in American history, leaving more than $300 million in debts. After being apprehended, he pleaded guilty toconspiracy, money laundering, and making false statements during a bankruptcy proceeding. In 2008, Pearlman was convicted and sentenced to up to 25 years in prison.

I saw that on an episode of American Greed.

Shameless.

MickyDolenz said:

Identity said:

Pebbles? Ha! She's a rookie compared with the utter ruthlessness and avarice of Colonel Parker and Allen Klein.

There's also Sharon Osbourne's father Don Arden, who's been said to beat up people and had mob ties. Bon Jovi's manager Doc McGhee was convicted for smuggling drugs.

Sharon used to have a tiny bit of a repuation too she she first managed Ozzie; urban legend has it that she's wasn't above kicking folks down stairs if they didn't come up with her post-show coins

SeventeenDayze said:

Can someone tell me if it's possible for a singer/artist to be their OWN manager? Does that ever happen?

Independent artists operate with no manager sometimes. As long as you have a booking agent, a travel agent, a lawyer and a business manager to collect the money & do the tax firms, it's possible to do if you're highly organized and can make your own decisions wisely.

John Fogerty refused to get a manager for CCR and made some really bad business decisions that cost them a lot of money. Possibly led to the situation today where the former members and JF can't talk to each other.

Jimi Hendrix's manager, Michael Jeffery, is the worst music manager of all time.

EroticDreamer said:

paisleypark4 said:

Louis Jay "Lou" Pearlman (born June 19, 1954) is an American impresario of successful 1990s boy bands such as the Backstreet Boys and NSYNC. In 2006, he was accused of running one of the largest and longest-running Ponzi schemes in American history, leaving more than $300 million in debts. After being apprehended, he pleaded guilty to conspiracy, money laundering, and making false statements during a bankruptcy proceeding. In 2008, Pearlman was convicted and sentenced to up to 25 years in prison.

I saw that on an episode of American Greed.

Shameless.

GROSS! Lou "Big Poppa" Pearlman is definitely the final answer to this thread.

duccichucka said:

Jimi Hendrix's manager, Michael Jeffery, is the worst music manager of all time.

Oh yeah? Do tell!

Jeffrey was always wasted and always shafting the JHE of their expenses, part of the reason Jimi left the Experience in early 1969, wa sthat he was never being paid on time.

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Besides the ones named, there are others.

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Berry Gordy, I have to say it, but Motown paid ridiuclously low royalties like half a cent per single and about 5 cents per album in the 1960s, and that was divided amongst group members for most acts. Plus Gordy insisted his artists do Artist development classes and forced into long dance lessons with Cholly Atkins for no extra, all the expenses of recording and touring were paid by artists at inflated rates. He kept a backing group (Funk Brothers) and female singers (The Andantes) in the background and never paid them above scale.

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The Jacksons were a good example, each Jackson got 0.8 of a cent fro each single sold and about 7 cents an album, even with their first 4 singles selling nearly 10 million copies, each Jackson sibling saw maybe $75k each in 1970, plus most of this money was taken off for taxes, advances, recording costs for dozens of songs never released (Yet released in cheap compilation albums after they had left Motown) and also touring expenses (Air travel and hotels). Hayven hurst was still on a mortgage until Michael bought it in 1982 with money from Epic and Sales of Off the Wall. The Temptations mentioned that they never got more than a few dollars spending cash in the early days and if anyone wanted a TV or a car, they had to get the price quoted and if they had earned the royalties or Gordy thought they would, a cheque would be waiting for the exact amount.

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Nearly every artist who left Motown or got dropped complained about money owing to them and if it went to court, often it went in Motown's favour given their legal staff and lawyers who were mostly white and Jewish rather than African American. Gordy became an insanely rich man thanks to the money machine Motown became, living in mansions and splendours, most of his artists except maybe Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye (Who got good contracts after threatening to leave in the early 1970s) and Diana Ross who was bonking him, could barely afford an average house in Downtown or Suburban Detroit and many like Paul Williams and Florence Ballard died in poverty.

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Of course it was not all Gordy's and Motown's fault, they would not have been stars with his help and it is unlikely the 4Tops, Supremes, Temptations and others would have been discovered or become a success without the Motown machine, and many were getting into drink and drugs later on. Still Gordy did much better out of each deal than the artist.

Others, mostly British (Casting Couch = How bad you want to be a star baby - suck my cock etc)

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Larry Parnes - Notorious homosexual manager of British rock acts like Tommy Steele, Marty Wilde, Billy fury etc, would make his young charges stars, restrict their lives harshly and no doubt used the casting couch. Had tight control over his acts, forced them to do things like stick socks down their crotches etc.

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Tam Paton - another creepy homo who was manager of notorious boyband - Bay City Rollers in the 1970s, the group were again heavily restricted in activities and no doubt jumped on the casting couch as well. Paton milked his young charges to death and many of them became druggies and burned out.

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Simon Napier Bell - Woefully incompetent manager of Bros and Wham! Whereas Bros's initial success feel apart in the year, they saw little money and Napuier Bell, drank and pissed it all away.

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Louis Walsh - Creepy Irish man who managed boy groups like Westlife and Boyzone and currently on British X factor, known to be a penny pincher and possibly a predatory homo (I am gay myself, but hate the ones who are forever looking to fuck teenagers and boys)

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Ike (Izear) Turner - Beast of man who exploited the fuck out of singer and wife Annie Mae Bullock (Tina Turner) the abuse of her and apparent rapes and attacks on Ikettes are legendary (They were going through a lot of Ikettes).

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Joseph Jackson - Father and big bully manager of his sons between 1964 and 1982ish. Despite the boys being signed to Motown, then epic, Joe drilled the group into a set of performing seals and was quick to physically and mentally abuse any Jackson sibling who failed to reach expectations. His abuse had results, but it ruined their lives and only ended for Michael when he got the upper hand in the early 1980s appointing Frank DiLeo as manager.

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I will think of more.

Master Blaster

Adorecream said:

Jeffrey was always wasted and always shafting the JHE of their expenses, part of the reason Jimi left the Experience in early 1969, wa sthat he was never being paid on time.

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Besides the ones named, there are others.

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Berry Gordy, I have to say it, but Motown paid ridiuclously low royalties like half a cent per single and about 5 cents per album in the 1960s, and that was divided amongst group members for most acts. Plus Gordy insisted his artists do Artist development classes and forced into long dance lessons with Cholly Atkins for no extra, all the expenses of recording and touring were paid by artists at inflated rates. He kept a backing group (Funk Brothers) and female singers (The Andantes) in the background and never paid them above scale.

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The Jacksons were a good example, each Jackson got 0.8 of a cent fro each single sold and about 7 cents an album, even with their first 4 singles selling nearly 10 million copies, each Jackson sibling saw maybe $75k each in 1970, plus most of this money was taken off for taxes, advances, recording costs for dozens of songs never released (Yet released in cheap compilation albums after they had left Motown) and also touring expenses (Air travel and hotels). Hayven hurst was still on a mortgage until Michael bought it in 1982 with money from Epic and Sales of Off the Wall. The Temptations mentioned that they never got more than a few dollars spending cash in the early days and if anyone wanted a TV or a car, they had to get the price quoted and if they had earned the royalties or Gordy thought they would, a cheque would be waiting for the exact amount.

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Nearly every artist who left Motown or got dropped complained about money owing to them and if it went to court, often it went in Motown's favour given their legal staff and lawyers who were mostly white and Jewish rather than African American. Gordy became an insanely rich man thanks to the money machine Motown became, living in mansions and splendours, most of his artists except maybe Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye (Who got good contracts after threatening to leave in the early 1970s) and Diana Ross who was bonking him, could barely afford an average house in Downtown or Suburban Detroit and many like Paul Williams and Florence Ballard died in poverty.

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Of course it was not all Gordy's and Motown's fault, they would not have been stars with his help and it is unlikely the 4Tops, Supremes, Temptations and others would have been discovered or become a success without the Motown machine, and many were getting into drink and drugs later on. Still Gordy did much better out of each deal than the artist.

Thanks for sharing this. So, do you think these rappers have as much money as they like to pretend they have? I mean, some of these rappers have multiple entities that take a cut of their earnings before they get their money. When you account for taxes, lawyers, girlfriends/groupies, etc. I mean do these guys really have ANY money like they claim?

SeventeenDayze said:

Thanks for sharing this. So, do you think these rappers have as much money as they like to pretend they have? I mean, some of these rappers have multiple entities that take a cut of their earnings before they get their money. When you account for taxes, lawyers, girlfriends/groupies, etc. I mean do these guys really have ANY money like they claim?

No it is all an act, I mean remember is Straight outta Compton, when Icecube trashes his managers office, as Amerikkas most wanted was a hit, but theres no money? and of course the manager who favoured Easy E over everyone else. Amazing how all these guys are white and unfortunately of a religious group who are the butt of money hogging stereotypes.

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Also look at TLC and Toni Braxton, both were huge in the mid 90s, but never got into the black and ended up owing shitloads of money to LaFace productions (Babyface and L.A.Reid)

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Half of those rappers spreading money on the videos, with racks and make it rain, the cash is either borrowed or part of an advance (Most companies will give a signing bonus of 6 figures or so) but the money is borrowed against future royalties. Even then its racist as often nwew metal bands and white music signings will get more advance cash than the average first time rapper. The companies see the need and exploit, they know with a lot of groups who become famous with a novelty rap dance song only, have little bankability and may only advance $50k or $100k instead of $1 million or $500k.

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As I said with Motown, the artists are stiffed for all costs and the managers and lables make the money, like Chris Rock said "Shaquille is not rich, the white guy who cuts his check is, Shaquille O'Neal is well off, but not rich. His manager writes him a cheque and says "Here Shaq, go buy yourself another bouncing car, bling bling!" In most cases, the money dries up with the hits and the mass materialism of rap music ensures few are likely o save their $$$.

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I remember a Buckley rant about Trinidad James (Worst songs of 2013) where James brags on All Gold Everything, where he has gold watches and chains, but in reality it was his first hit and it only got to #36 and the shit he raps about was either stolen or on HP. Besides a fancy car may cost $100k and gold chains and rings etc may cost a few thousand, okay you may have $25k in gold, but most of it could be lower purity like 9kt or 14kt and the fans are likely to buy imitation bling that costs a few bucks. But bragging about wealth is not new, Morris Day was bragging about a Lear Jet on his first album (Cool on the Time) and the same plane appears on the album Daydreaming (Of course almost certainly borrowed, these things cost millions).

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Even the Migos video you sent me too, the dab, they drop cash on the floor, but I only counted $1700, may be a lot to rappers, but really thats a months income which is great but not rich. The moeny for rappers is in songwriting, production, endorsements and running labels. That is why Jay Z is rich and Kanye too, because of this. Whereas a group like Migos or Silento will be likely be well off for a while and if lucky afterwards a Joe Paycheck the rest of their lives and more likely living of welfare or in Prison.

Also we need to stop being wowed with the cash in these videos. Yes its a few hundred or thousand dollars in the video, but really the flash car is the biggest part of the videoa nd its likely to be a rental or on lay away. Plus a rack is only $1000 in $1, with a $100k advance you can make up 10 x $100 bundles/stacks (100 notes) and or a few less with some racks (1000 notes) of lower values.

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In this cash poor world $100,000 seems like a fantastic amount of money to us, but its not, its part of a house in a nice area and maybe a whole house in the hood. Rich is hundreds of millions of dollars. Even a million is a not a great sum anymore, whoever said music was a lucrative career lied, yes the established stars and talented ones maybe, but a lot of chart rap and even pop is by artists whose careers last a few years at best, and many are one hit or one album wonders. Look at Hammer biggest album seller of 1990 and 3 huge hits, by 2005 he was bankrupt living with his momma and shilling for a ghetto gold buying company.

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Even my unemployed ass (Only over the summer holidayze) owns a house worth $625,000 (About $450k in your money) and a stamp collection worth $20k that could be turned into some cash, but unlike these rappers, I have no need to flash it or spend it on cars, drugs, hoes, and garish jewellery or get it out in cash dollaz and splash over a screen. I have $100 at the very most all the time, cards and internet banking pay the real billz.

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The managers don't do this shit, another spooky manager was kevin stokes, the manager of Immature and a few other boy rap groups in the 1990s, almost certianly homoerotic stuff there, the photo of 14 year old Marquis Houston and the other guys on the bed in their underpants.

lrn36 said:

Who is this guy? He just looks sleazy?

Adorecream said:

Also we need to stop being wowed with the cash in these videos. Yes its a few hundred or thousand dollars in the video, but really the flash car is the biggest part of the videoa nd its likely to be a rental or on lay away. Plus a rack is only $1000 in $1, with a $100k advance you can make up 10 x $100 bundles/stacks (100 notes) and or a few less with some racks (1000 notes) of lower values.

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In this cash poor world $100,000 seems like a fantastic amount of money to us, but its not, its part of a house in a nice area and maybe a whole house in the hood. Rich is hundreds of millions of dollars. Even a million is a not a great sum anymore, whoever said music was a lucrative career lied, yes the established stars and talented ones maybe, but a lot of chart rap and even pop is by artists whose careers last a few years at best, and many are one hit or one album wonders. Look at Hammer biggest album seller of 1990 and 3 huge hits, by 2005 he was bankrupt living with his momma and shilling for a ghetto gold buying company.

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Even my unemployed ass (Only over the summer holidayze) owns a house worth $625,000 (About $450k in your money) and a stamp collection worth $20k that could be turned into some cash, but unlike these rappers, I have no need to flash it or spend it on cars, drugs, hoes, and garish jewellery or get it out in cash dollaz and splash over a screen. I have $100 at the very most all the time, cards and internet banking pay the real billz.

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The managers don't do this shit, another spooky manager was kevin stokes, the manager of Immature and a few other boy rap groups in the 1990s, almost certianly homoerotic stuff there, the photo of 14 year old Marquis Houston and the other guys on the bed in their underpants.

Adore, you mentioned managers. Watch this video. Do you think Kendrick's manager was trying to make money behind Kendrick's back? I posted this in another thread but probably should have posted it here first.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QasyQivGBw