SeventeenDayze said:

Sorry to hear about his passing. I have the Velvet Revolver album and thought it was pretty good. I also like a couple of "Stone Temple Pilot" songs even though I never really got into them like that.

I found this to be an interesting read though. As fans, we see our favorite artists in a different view but for those who knew them personally, it's a different story:

Scott Weiland's Ex-Wife Pens Emotional Letter Following His Death: "[Our Children] Lost Their Father Years Ago"

Samantha Schnurr, eonline
1 hour ago

Mary Forsberg, Scott Weiland

Just days after former Stone Temple Pilots frontman Scott Weiland was discovered dead in his tour bus, his ex-wife Mary Forsberg is offering a stark warning to the public—"don't glorify this tragedy."

Forsberg, the mother of Weiland's two children Noah and Lucy, penned an emotionally-charged letter to Rolling Stone, offering alleged intimate new details about her former spouse's life behind the curtain.

"The outpouring of condolences and prayers offered to our children, Noah and Lucy, has been overwhelming, appreciated and even comforting," she introduced her letter in Rolling Stone. "But the truth is, like so many other kids, they lost their father years ago. What they truly lost on December 3rd was hope."

Weiland's public struggle with substance abuse—he faced multiple drug and alcohol-related arrests and several stints in rehab—had a significant effect on his role as a father, according to Forsberg. However, she argued the public failed to see how grave his addictions were.

"In reality, what you didn't want to acknowledge was a paranoid man who couldn't remember his own lyrics and who was only photographed with his children a handful of times in 15 years of fatherhood," she said. "I've always wanted to share more than anyone was comfortable with."

The mother of two continued, describing Weiland's remarriage to Jamie Wachtel. While Forsberg hoped the new union would mark a fresh start for her children's relationship with their father, it allegedly had the opposite effect.

"When he remarried, the children were replaced. They were not invited to his wedding; child support checks often never arrived. Our once sweet Catholic boy refused to watch the kids participate in Christmas Eve plays because he was now an atheist. They have never set foot into his house, and they can't remember the last time they saw him on a Father's Day," she said.

"I don't share this with you to cast judgment, I do so because you most likely know at least one child in the same shoes."

The 48-year-old's unexpected passing has had a profound effect on famous friends and fans alike who rushed to social media on Dec. 3 to pay their respects, but Forsberg is not as quick to praise the fallen star.

"I won't say he can rest now, or that he's in a better place. He belongs with his children barbecuing in the backyard and waiting for a Notre Dame game to come on. We are angry and sad about this loss, but we are most devastated that he chose to give up," she wrote.

"Our hope for Scott has died, but there is still hope for others," Forsberg continued. "Let's choose to make this the first time we don't glorify this tragedy with talk of rock and roll and the demons that, by the way, don't have to come with it. Skip the depressing T-shirt with 1967-2015 on it—use the money to take a kid to a ballgame or out for ice cream."

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2freaky4church1 said:

We should blame the record companies. They keep letting artists die. Once you stop making them money they throw you away like a used rag.

2freaky4church1 said:

BobGeorge909 said:

2freaky4church1 said:

We should blame the record companies. They keep letting artists die. Once you stop making them money they throw you away like a used rag.

In no way whatsoever did Scott Weiland die because of his record company. Scott Weiland dies cuz he was a drug addict and didn't utilize the tools and resources available to him to address his disease. His record company gave him an assload of money which was more than enough to pay for detox, rehab, therapy. They probably tried to get him though that process more than enough times. In no way was his death anyone's fault but his. He was acutely aware of his issues.

Why do so many artist end up strung out on drugs or dead broke? Seems that this happens a lot to musicians...

Coroner: Scott Weiland Died with Cocaine, Alcohol and Ecstasy in His System


Link

SeventeenDayze said:

BobGeorge909 said:

2freaky4church1 said: In no way whatsoever did Scott Weiland die because of his record company. Scott Weiland dies cuz he was a drug addict and didn't utilize the tools and resources available to him to address his disease. His record company gave him an assload of money which was more than enough to pay for detox, rehab, therapy. They probably tried to get him though that process more than enough times. In no way was his death anyone's fault but his. He was acutely aware of his issues.

Why do so many artist end up strung out on drugs or dead broke? Seems that this happens a lot to musicians...

It appears that way. But it's not accurate. There are more people who aren't celebrities who
struggle with substance abuse/dependency issues than the fraction of musicians, who are ce-
lebrities and benefit from having their names in the news.

BobGeorge909 said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Heroin, bad and evil. There is a lot of lack in people. Why we need God. Yea, we do.

Some drug addicts are firm believers in god. I don't think that a 'need for god' has much to do with it. Often the shame one feels from 'god' or receive from the religious community fuels their addiction. [Edited 12/11/15 5:00am] And if 'god' made their brains, 'god' made some brains more susceptible to addiction than others. 'god' is such a tricky character. [Edited 12/11/15 5:03am]

So you're against Free Will?

He's known as The Creator, not The Controller.

SeventeenDayze said:

BobGeorge909 said:

2freaky4church1 said: In no way whatsoever did Scott Weiland die because of his record company. Scott Weiland dies cuz he was a drug addict and didn't utilize the tools and resources available to him to address his disease. His record company gave him an assload of money which was more than enough to pay for detox, rehab, therapy. They probably tried to get him though that process more than enough times. In no way was his death anyone's fault but his. He was acutely aware of his issues.

Why do so many artist end up strung out on drugs or dead broke? Seems that this happens a lot to musicians...

Drug use is common because they often come to depend on it for creativity. The dead broke part is typical for many famous people, not just musicians. Usually it's simply because they don't know how to handle their money properly, and when the money starts pouring in they can't comprehend the possibility of the income coming to a sudden stop. They simply get caught up in a lifestyle that is unsustainable.

Burt Reynolds, Kim Basinger, Larry King, Sinbad, Mickey Rooney, Pam Anderson, Gary Busey, Wesley Snipes, Brendan Fraser, Gary Coleman, Lindsay Lohan, Nicolas Cage, Mike Tyson, etc.

Pokeno4Money said:

SeventeenDayze said:

I used to be a huge fan of the STP in the 90's.. and I always got the impression from him that he did the dirtier end of the drug spectrum. My suspicion was later confirmed that time he got busted for crack. Eventually unless you can free yourself from it it'll always get the last word. He and Courtney Love used to do drugs together. It always surprises me how much of a surviver she's been when so may others around her became casualties to drugs.

^The only person who could survive doing drugs with Courtney is Courtney.

BobGeorge909 said:

Pokeno4Money said:

So you're against Free Will?

He's known as The Creator, not The Controller.

I don't know what made u think that. I'm not against free will. I'm an Athiest. My post was sarcastic. I thought the 'god' made that obvious.

I know you're an atheist, I was addressing the following statement of yours:

"And if 'god' made their brains, 'god' made some brains more susceptible to addiction than others."


It certainly seems like you're insinuating that *if* there is a God, then He made some brains more susceptible to addiction. But that's not true, because all people have Free Will. I chose not to ever use drugs, Scott could have done the same. He's accountable for his actions, not God.

Pokeno4Money said:

I wasn't surprised by the news of Weiland's death, but it's still very sad. I took my son to one of the last shows that Scott played with STP (in fact, the show we saw was cited as being a "last straw" for the band, with it leading to his firing). It was my son's first real rock concert, and I was excited to get to share it with him. Unfortunately, the show started late, due to the fact that Weiland couldn't be found (we found this out later). The opening act played for an hour and a half, trying to pad out the time while Weiland was located. Finally, at around 10:15, the band took the stage. This was at an outdoor venue, with a curfew of 11:00, so at that point we knew we wouldn't get a full show. Weiland was completely trashed, and rambled on an on before the band finally started playing over him. It was such a disappointing moment. More than anything, I was sad that my son's first rock show was ruined by a drugged out singer who made a fool of himself

The morning the news broke about Weiland's death, I was taking my son to school. We both just looked at each other, and my son said "wow". While my jaded sensibilities prepared me for such news, for him it seemed to drive home the whole cause and effect of a life of excess.

I'll always love the tunes he did with STP & Velvet Revolver. He was a real talent, and it's a damned shame he flushed his life away like this. More than anything, I feel for his children. Such an awful thing to have to deal with as a child

BobGeorge909 said:

Pokeno4Money said:

I know you're an atheist, I was addressing the following statement of yours:

"And if 'god' made their brains, 'god' made some brains more susceptible to addiction than others."


It certainly seems like you're insinuating that *if* there is a God, then He made some brains more susceptible to addiction. But that's not true, because all people have Free Will. I chose not to ever use drugs, Scott could have done the same. He's accountable for his actions, not God.

I somewhat agree with you. Aside from the god thing. I was being sarcastic. Despite aspects of addiction, yes...we all still have choices. I'm not beholden to the addictive nature of my brain. I am able to make choices. I'm not disputing that. I'm thinking we largely agree. I was being sarcastic. I'm saying addiction proposes challenges...it doesn't own u. I wholeheartedly agree that Mr Weiland passed up many opportunities to get right. He passed them up. That on him and only him. He was aware of his challenges.

Understood. Yes my friend, we are mostly on the same page.