I haven't seen the documentary yet, but Nirvana was one of those bands that couldn't last forever. I don't think there's any other way things could have ended.

thing to remember is that ROCK stars don't become addicts, they were before, it starts with smaller things and builds with the more money that comes in or the wrong people around you, its all about the person. Someone like Kurt was already addicted to things, it could be anything, people just think oh hes dead cause he couldnt handle fame. NO many artists battle depression or have these kind of issues long before, and YES doing smaller drugs that we dont think are drugs are also addictive things, WEED ALCOHOL are drugs and are easy to get when you have no money and if you are not able to deal with addictions which many arent it builds when money comes into the picture and more people who want to be friends, enablers etc..

SO lets not blame FAME cause FAME is not the cause of death. Addiction is, and it starts way back in childhood. Its got nothing to do with being a rockstar either, thats the sexy story and headline we give it and why nothing ever gets done with mental health, cause most of population think mental health is a choice, or they hear MENTAL and think straightjacket and rubber room type shit cause thats what the movies and tv show us and why nothing ever gets moved on this subject.

KURT goes down as a the typical, oh he had everything to live for and this and that , same shit dumbasses always say from the outside.

lastdecember said:

thing to remember is that ROCK stars don't become addicts, they were before, it starts with smaller things and builds with the more money that comes in or the wrong people around you, its all about the person. Someone like Kurt was already addicted to things, it could be anything, people just think oh hes dead cause he couldnt handle fame. NO many artists battle depression or have these kind of issues long before, and YES doing smaller drugs that we dont think are drugs are also addictive things, WEED ALCOHOL are drugs and are easy to get when you have no money and if you are not able to deal with addictions which many arent it builds when money comes into the picture and more people who want to be friends, enablers etc..

SO lets not blame FAME cause FAME is not the cause of death. Addiction is, and it starts way back in childhood. Its got nothing to do with being a rockstar either, thats the sexy story and headline we give it and why nothing ever gets done with mental health, cause most of population think mental health is a choice, or they hear MENTAL and think straightjacket and rubber room type shit cause thats what the movies and tv show us and why nothing ever gets moved on this subject.

KURT goes down as a the typical, oh he had everything to live for and this and that , same shit dumbasses always say from the outside.

It's true that anybody can get hooked on drugs, battle addiction and ultimately kill themselves. That happens to non-rock stars all the time.

But it's undeniable that it's easier to get strung out when you have a lot of money, and a lot of people hovering around wanting to get high with you. David Crosby has said there is no more enabling profession. As a professional rocker, you're expected to be at least a little bit high, at least drunk. There are enablers all around.

I kind of know the bass player from the Meat Puppets. They had been a touring band on a shoestring budget for 10 years, when they caught a break in the early 90s and started touring with Nirvana and STP, and getting some attention. Cris went into that STP tour as a hippie potsmoker, and came out of it strung out on heroin and coke, so bad, he almost died. That was his 30th or 40th tour, but it was one of the first ones where the band members weren't having to drive themselves around and set up their own gear. Now they were successful enough, that they had the fame vultures circling around.

It's something Nikki Sixx talks about too, every time he tried to quit, his dealers would start coming around again. They knew he was weak, and that he had money.

So it's not like getting strung out has everything to do with being a rock star, but there is a relationship there.

[Edited 12/21/15 14:08pm]

bobzilla77 said:

lastdecember said:

thing to remember is that ROCK stars don't become addicts, they were before, it starts with smaller things and builds with the more money that comes in or the wrong people around you, its all about the person. Someone like Kurt was already addicted to things, it could be anything, people just think oh hes dead cause he couldnt handle fame. NO many artists battle depression or have these kind of issues long before, and YES doing smaller drugs that we dont think are drugs are also addictive things, WEED ALCOHOL are drugs and are easy to get when you have no money and if you are not able to deal with addictions which many arent it builds when money comes into the picture and more people who want to be friends, enablers etc..

SO lets not blame FAME cause FAME is not the cause of death. Addiction is, and it starts way back in childhood. Its got nothing to do with being a rockstar either, thats the sexy story and headline we give it and why nothing ever gets done with mental health, cause most of population think mental health is a choice, or they hear MENTAL and think straightjacket and rubber room type shit cause thats what the movies and tv show us and why nothing ever gets moved on this subject.

KURT goes down as a the typical, oh he had everything to live for and this and that , same shit dumbasses always say from the outside.

It's true that anybody can get hooked on drugs, battle addiction and ultimately kill themselves. That happens to non-rock stars all the time.

But it's undeniable that it's easier to get strung out when you have a lot of money, and a lot of people hovering around wanting to get high with you. David Crosby has said there is no more enabling profession. As a professional rocker, you're expected to be at least a little bit high, at least drunk. There are enablers all around.

I kind of know the bass player from the Meat Puppets. They had been a touring band on a shoestring budget for 10 years, when they caught a break in the early 90s and started touring with Nirvana and STP, and getting some attention. Cris went into that STP tour as a hippie potsmoker, and came out of it strung out on heroin and coke, so bad, he almost died. That was his 30th or 40th tour, but it was one of the first ones where the band members weren't having to drive themselves around and set up their own gear. Now they were successful enough, that they had the fame vultures circling around.

It's something Nikki Sixx talks about too, every time he tried to quit, his dealers would start coming around again. They knew he was weak, and that he had money.

So it's not like getting strung out has everything to do with being a rock star, but there is a relationship there.

[Edited 12/21/15 14:08pm]

True BUT everyone is different, being a rock star or making some coin, does not make you an addict, that is already engrained in these fallen stars and those who get through it. Paul McCartney and JOhn Lennon smoked more weed in Harmburg Germany in the late 50's early 60's and did the same when they had money they just got their hands on more stuff, but they could shake it, some can't. Kurt could not, and many others couldn't. Robert Downey JR shook it, but he was smoking weed when he was 12, so it was already there, fame and some hit movies in the 80's just gave him more, it didnt make him an addict.

lastdecember said:

bobzilla77 said:

It's true that anybody can get hooked on drugs, battle addiction and ultimately kill themselves. That happens to non-rock stars all the time.

But it's undeniable that it's easier to get strung out when you have a lot of money, and a lot of people hovering around wanting to get high with you. David Crosby has said there is no more enabling profession. As a professional rocker, you're expected to be at least a little bit high, at least drunk. There are enablers all around.

I kind of know the bass player from the Meat Puppets. They had been a touring band on a shoestring budget for 10 years, when they caught a break in the early 90s and started touring with Nirvana and STP, and getting some attention. Cris went into that STP tour as a hippie potsmoker, and came out of it strung out on heroin and coke, so bad, he almost died. That was his 30th or 40th tour, but it was one of the first ones where the band members weren't having to drive themselves around and set up their own gear. Now they were successful enough, that they had the fame vultures circling around.

It's something Nikki Sixx talks about too, every time he tried to quit, his dealers would start coming around again. They knew he was weak, and that he had money.

So it's not like getting strung out has everything to do with being a rock star, but there is a relationship there.

[Edited 12/21/15 14:08pm]

True BUT everyone is different, being a rock star or making some coin, does not make you an addict, that is already engrained in these fallen stars and those who get through it. Paul McCartney and JOhn Lennon smoked more weed in Harmburg Germany in the late 50's early 60's and did the same when they had money they just got their hands on more stuff, but they could shake it, some can't. Kurt could not, and many others couldn't. Robert Downey JR shook it, but he was smoking weed when he was 12, so it was already there, fame and some hit movies in the 80's just gave him more, it didnt make him an addict.

Sure, plenty of famous people are able to hold it together, and plenty of ordinary people end up hooked on dope. It's not a direct relationship. That's not WHY they got hooked on dope. They could have gotten hooked on dope when they were nobodies.

I'm just making the point that, it's a lot easier to get real into dope when you live a star's life. You got the money, endless time to waste on the road, and suppliers hanging outside every door. It's possible that Kurt Cobain would have gotten high a lot less if he was a house painter, had to wake up and clock in every morning, and pay for his dope out of the money he made painting houses, go to a sketchy neighborhood to score.