Cinny said:

bobzilla77 said:

Was Michael Jackson the head of the illuminati or something?

Don't get off track here. MJ simply had a lot of power at Sony, itself a powerful label. I heard Beyonce doing stuff like this to Amerie around 2007.

There is actual evidence that Beyonce has done things like this though. There really is no proof that Michael did though. Its funny how he is blamed for ending careers, I think its hilarious

mjscarousal said:

Cinny said:

Don't get off track here. MJ simply had a lot of power at Sony, itself a powerful label. I heard Beyonce doing stuff like this to Amerie around 2007.

There is actual evidence that Beyonce has done things like this though. There really is no proof that Michael did though. Its funny how he is blamed for ending careers, I think its hilarious

The lawyers may know something about what MJ did or did not do, but they aren't talking.

May MJ rest in peace and his legacy shine on--I really mean that, should you doubt my tone. Michael (and bros.) was a Motown man, and I am a Motown fan. I am a great fan of his pre-reign-of-pop-entertainment days.

Goodness sakes--so much of his life was sacrificed that he would soar to the pinnacle of fame, The Kingdom of Pop. He placed his life on a glass-encased pedestal, that was miked, to boot! He died for it--he was taken away from us.

Despite whatever negative vibe--or ill gesture amplified through the ranks of speculation--that MJ and/or Sananda may have had for the other, I know at the end of the day Sananda looks to Michael as an icon. MJ is an element of why he so steered his career's path after discovering music in his own heart. In black and white he calls MJ a master--as in one who has mastered his craft. He acknowledges that he reigns supreme, that there will never be another like him in our lifetime, nor should we deserve to see the likes of his entertainment in time to come. I would guess that he is probably right, that after MJ such brand of stardom will cease to exist in the mortal world.

If MJ ever did anything bad in his life, I am sure one can say that he did much good that outshines the shade. Sananda could be dreaming on whatever plot, or exaggerating series of ill events that may have transpired during their co-existence at Sony Corp. Likewise for other blamers and jealous haters of the Pop King. MJ might not have personally raised a finger to supress another's career, but then again, the fame machine can generate some shaky productions. Sananda knows this at least!

mynameisnotsusan said:

Germanegro said:

Anyway, he has a song for you, too....

Thanks for that

You're welcome. Peace!

DonRants said:

I remember reading that Michael had tried to stop his lawyer (and now manager of his estate) John Branca from taking on TTD as a client. I think Branca kept TTD on anyway, but I can see how that would make him think MJ was fighting against him...because MJ was. But nothing TTD could not have overcome, if he had handled his business.

The mistake Terence made was to try to do everything on his second album. He should have stuck with the team that brought him success on the first album. All he needed to do was follow up with a strong second album with hits and he might be a higher profile artist/star today.

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It would be interesting to hear more about that lawyer and any actual MJ/TTD career dustups, but I guess evidence does not abound.

Regarding his sophomore album, I agree. As ass-kicking, radical, and indulgent as it was, the timing was completely off. He really was too impatient in making that particular statement. And there were plenty of people around who were just itching to NOT buy the record due to his supreme braggadocio. Live and learn.

^^^Regarding "Neither Fish Nor Flesh," as a fan, I would be like "BRING IT ON!"

Curious how much money he makes.

2freaky4church1 said:

Curious how much money he makes.

he seems to be doing the independent artist thing well, and would still be earning money from his Sony recordings (it says so at the very end of the article).

Germanegro said:

mynameisnotsusan said:

Germanegro said: Thanks for that

You're welcome. Peace!

He's even high pitched like mj now imagine HIM saying "I'm gonna buy the Beatles" instead

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NorthC said:

So... Has anyone heared the album yet?

I have. I made the pre-release cd order with mp3 download. 3 of the songs of the 2-disc set are earlier-published compositions--I think a couple of them were re-recorded: Paradise Postponed, The Birds Are Singing, and Metamorpheous.

There is a narrative woven into the collection, and volume 1 presents the conflict, while volume 2 presents a kind of resolution or consolation. If you want to listen (and view!) there are a handful of song videos (lyric videos are artfully clever) and live performances of some songs on Youtube https://m.youtube.com/?#/...eyasananda

Gunsnhalen said:

I love me some ttd! But dude kind of killed himself Neither fish Nor Flesh is a fucking great album! but what was gonna be the big single? come on bruh To know someone softly could have been somewhat big. But the album was not gonna hve big hits either way. And his ego was bigger than kanyes after only ONE album! at least yeezy talked shit after a few albums in or so.

Besides i like his 90s albums best

Surely This Side of Love had hit potential?

NorthC said:

^Yes, I've seen a few of those. He is really a very good songwriter, the songs are funky and very melodic. I liked Casanova, but Les Paul Man made me go wtf?!? with that line about lesbians. Some of the stuff is so weird that it made me wonder if I'd want 2 CDs full of it.

Les Paul Man--I watched that video a couple of times and thought, hmm, as well. There's a pretty strong juxtopisition beween the guitar and the camera here--perhaps a message about the irreconcilable differences beween music-making and image-making is afoot? Plus, you have Sananda, the Les Paul man, and his female photographer, the lesbian?

Yes, there seems to be a set of themes woven into the collection. It appears to be more than just a set of entertaining songs; there is some depth that you can dig into. He delivers a bunch of love songs, and sings about self love and respect, giving love--beautiful music that I find pleasing to hear in his particular stlye of recording. Then he introduces this idea of nefarious entities that combat people's knowledge and understanding of the world and steals it, basically, AND imprisons the people (Snowglobia)! It is inventive stuff that I think is relavatory to his state of mind, and maybe for others who follow the creative tip in their lives or struggle for identity within society. He has a whole backstory, written in his Web site's Intro and Lyrics to the album if you want to wade through, that describes the fictional world he creates. He uses entities from ancient Greek and Egyptian mytholgy (the sphynx, Prometheus) as a touchstone to glean some meaning.

*sigh* I'm afraid that bros on the street conrer won't get into any of this, but hey, that is what single downloads are for!

^^Oh, it is a trip! Great for long walks through the woods, along the stream....

Cinny said:

Don't get off track here. MJ simply had a lot of power at Sony, itself a powerful label. I heard Beyonce doing stuff like this to Amerie around 2007.

Clive Davis said that Mike called him and asked him not to release the duet with Jermaine Tell Me I'm Not Dreamin' as a single. There's also supposed to be something about L.A. Ried & Babyface who was working with Jermaine and also on the group album 2300 Jackson Street.

Sananda Maitreya speaks on the influence of one of the entertaiment masters that helped to influence his state of mind toward happiness in life--the great Al Green. A good message to embrace!

MickyDolenz said:

Clive Davis said that Mike called him and asked him not to release the duet with Jermaine Tell Me I'm Not Dreamin' as a single.

It would have been inappropriate to release that song as a single,anyway.It's a fantastic track but Jermaine's album was released at around the same time as Victory.It would have had to compete with "State Of Shock" on the charts.I also thought it was strange how Jermaine released a solo album at the same time he was doing the reunion with his brothers,lol.

SoulAlive said:

It would have been inappropriate to release that song as a single,anyway.It's a fantastic track but Jermaine's album was released at around the same time as Victory.It would have had to compete with "State Of Shock" on the charts.I also thought it was strange how Jermaine released a solo album at the same time he was doing the reunion with his brothers,lol.

When 2300 Jackson Street came out, both Jermaine & Randy had solo albums out at the same time. I think Jermaine's was the most successful of the 3 albums. Rhythm Nation 1814 came out the same year too and Janet & Randy was on the same label A&M. On some of the TV promo Randy is not there with the other brothers. It was the Jackson 3. Jermaine was not originally a part of Victory,. He rejoined the group halfway during the sessions. His solo album had already been recorded. The thing is, Mike called another record label Arista, which at the time was a competing label to CBS Records/Epic.

Official Site - http://www.Sananda.org

NorthC said:

DonRants said:

I remember reading that Michael had tried to stop his lawyer (and now manager of his estate) John Branca from taking on TTD as a client. I think Branca kept TTD on anyway, but I can see how that would make him think MJ was fighting against him...because MJ was. But nothing TTD could not have overcome, if he had handled his business.

The mistake Terence made was to try to do everything on his second album. He should have stuck with the team that brought him success on the first album. All he needed to do was follow up with a strong second album with hits and he might be a higher profile artist/star today.

[Edited 10/15/15 7:31am]

That's a bit like saying Prince should have made a Purple Rain Part 2 instead of Around the World In a Day. But the latter at least had catchy pop songs like Raspberry Beret and Pop Life to keep him in the charts.

Not quiet North C. The worst thing that can stall an artist career is the sophomore slump. Prince got better on every successive album from Controvery to 1999 to Purple Rain. That gave his career momentum. TTD never had that. If TTD wanted legendary status at least his second album should be better than the first.

MickyDolenz said:

SoulAlive said:

It would have been inappropriate to release that song as a single,anyway.It's a fantastic track but Jermaine's album was released at around the same time as Victory.It would have had to compete with "State Of Shock" on the charts.I also thought it was strange how Jermaine released a solo album at the same time he was doing the reunion with his brothers,lol.

When 2300 Jackson Street came out, both Jermaine & Randy had solo albums out at the same time. I think Jermaine's was the most successful of the 3 albums. Rhythm Nation 1814 came out the same year too and Janet & Randy was on the same label A&M. On some of the TV promo Randy is not there with the other brothers. It was the Jackson 3. Jermaine was not originally a part of Victory,. He rejoined the group halfway during the sessions. His solo album had already been recorded. The thing is, Mike called another record label Arista, which at the time was a competing label to CBS Records/Epic.

I remember in 1984,hearing all this talk about Michael being concerned about "overexposure".That was supposed to be the reason why he didn't appear in the two music videos from Victory ("Torture" and "Body").It's likely that he thought releasing "Tell Me I'm Not Dreamin" as a single would be too much MJ-related product out there.

lol...sorry for taking this thread off-topic though I better stop now,lol

Okay--back to some news relevant to the thread's topic!

News on Sananda's creative process toward writing and recording songs and the production of The Rise of the Zugebrian Time Lords.

http://www.thisisnotretro...rview-2015

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SoulAlive said:

It's likely that he thought releasing "Tell Me I'm Not Dreamin" as a single would be too much MJ-related product out there.

It was played on the radio anyway, at least it was on the local R&B station. I think it was released as a single in some other countries. The instrumental was a B-side on the Dynamite maxi single.

SoulAlive said:

MickyDolenz said:

When 2300 Jackson Street came out, both Jermaine & Randy had solo albums out at the same time. I think Jermaine's was the most successful of the 3 albums. Rhythm Nation 1814 came out the same year too and Janet & Randy was on the same label A&M. On some of the TV promo Randy is not there with the other brothers. It was the Jackson 3. Jermaine was not originally a part of Victory,. He rejoined the group halfway during the sessions. His solo album had already been recorded. The thing is, Mike called another record label Arista, which at the time was a competing label to CBS Records/Epic.

I remember in 1984,hearing all this talk about Michael being concerned about "overexposure".That was supposed to be the reason why he didn't appear in the two music videos from Victory ("Torture" and "Body").It's likely that he thought releasing "Tell Me I'm Not Dreamin" as a single would be too much MJ-related product out there.

completely ignoring the topic of the thread? You folks FAIL!

On a related sidetrack, I thought I'd send some love to Louis Metoyer, based in L.A. ,who was a beast on TTD's Vibrator among others, and contributes some lead guitar on a couple of the new tunes from The Rise of the Zugebrian Time Lords. I've discovered that he has worked with many other bands throughout his career as well. Rock on, Louis. I'm glad that he is still doing things!

For just a little more seasoning to the thread, here is a brief, classic interview of Sananda Maitreya at the 2003 Festival Marktrock in Belgium. He was concluding his tour supporting Wildcard, and he explains his career transition to "Post Millenium Rock" and music philosophy.

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