it's been out since june 15

i haven't listened to it too much since i figured i'd wait and see if it actually ends

up on the album, which i'd love to experience as entirely new

IstenSzek said:

dancerella said:

IstenSzek said:

it's been out since june 15

i haven't listened to it too much since i figured i'd wait and see if it actually ends

up on the album, which i'd love to experience as entirely new

Considering how stuck in the 80s I am, trust me, it's new lol.

fair enough

thedoorkeeper said:

dancerella said:

thedoorkeeper said:

Seems I hear it at least once a day since it was released. And it's a MASTERPIECE

I must say I'm digging this song a lot. I'm happy he went in this direction. I can't down with his chill out jamz.

just curious, but do you know his albums pre-morning phase? because he's made this kind

of music before. if anything "morning phase" was very slow for him, although no a-typical,

since he already made "sea change" which is like a sister to "morning phase".

but albums like "midnite vultures", "guero" and "the information" have stuff reminiscent of
"dreams" on them. the man has such a great body of work. he's my 2nd favorit artist next

to prince.

IstenSzek said:

dancerella said:

IstenSzek said:

just curious, but do you know his albums pre-morning phase? because he's made this kind

of music before. if anything "morning phase" was very slow for him, although no a-typical,

since he already made "sea change" which is like a sister to "morning phase".

but albums like "midnite vultures", "guero" and "the information" have stuff reminiscent of
"dreams" on them. the man has such a great body of work. he's my 2nd favorit artist next

to prince.

The only Beck album I had was Midnite Vultures which was funky and as u said, closest to Dreams. I know he's incredibly versatile. I've just been waiting for him to get funky again. Looks like he might be moving in that direction again. Finally!

you should really give "Guero" a try, it's so diverse and it's got such funky songs on it,
i'm quite sure you will love it. "the information" is also very good, very diverse and it's

got some of his best ever songs as well, and some funk to boot

hifidelity67 said:

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Dope.

IstenSzek said:

well, for me personally beck hasn't recorded a bad album since Odelay.

so pretty much any album of his that you pick has a nice mix of styles

and genres. kinda like prince, almost.

"morning phase" is just a very beautiful, quiet album. it's not all just

very slow songs. cuts like "heart is a drum" are nice mid tempo and

the songwriting is simply outstanding. great lyrics, beautiful atmosphere,

superb musicianship.

he did an album like that before, called "sea change", almost 10 years

earlier, which is one of my favorit albums by anyone, ever.

if you don't like slow songs, those albums pretty much aren't for you,

but if you give them a chance, they will grow on you. especially if you
spend some time with "sea change".

but i'm biased, perhaps. beck can't do wrong for me.

Wow this sounds really good!!!

After being a Beck fan in the 90's to early 00's, then not listening for 10 years, over the last few years I think I'm becoming a fan again!

The music press adores this dude while it discounts Lenny Kravitz for doing the
same type of music: pastiche that is heavily indebted to the past and so far re-
moved from originality.

So, it must be the lyrics, where Beck can be ironic, and humorous, and playful.
Lenny Kravitz's lyrical analog is Dr Seuss.

duccichucka said:

The music press adores this dude while it discounts Lenny Kravitz for doing the
same type of music: pastiche that is heavily indebted to the past and so far re-
moved from originality.

So, it must be the lyrics, where Beck can be ironic, and humorous, and playful.
Lenny Kravitz's lyrical analog is Dr Seuss.

This is wrong.

Beck has his own style of music, which is the type of music he's done on albums like Mellow Gold, Odelay and Guero. He's done some pastiches along the years, but he usually mixes genres when he does that (e.g. funk mixed with bluegrass). While he often fuses older genres of music and references other people's songs you can't seriously make the claim that he wouldn't have a sound of his own that makes his music recognizeable.

Kravitz has gotten a lot of criticism that I don't think is fair. He started doing "retro" when it wasn't fashionable yet and the critics didn't re-evaluate their views on him even if most rock acts were doing some kind of retro stuff just a few years later. There was probably a little bit of racism involved there too, but let's not get into that. In any case, Beck is obviously the more ambitious one artistically and that's what the critics appreciate.

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novabrkr said:

duccichucka said:

The music press adores this dude while it discounts Lenny Kravitz for doing the
same type of music: pastiche that is heavily indebted to the past and so far re-
moved from originality.

So, it must be the lyrics, where Beck can be ironic, and humorous, and playful.
Lenny Kravitz's lyrical analog is Dr Seuss.

This is wrong.

Beck has his own style of music, which is the type of music he's done on albums like Mellow Gold, Odelay and Guero. He's done some pastiches along the years, but he usually mixes genres when he does that (e.g. funk mixed with bluegrass). While he often fuses older genres of music and references other people's songs you can't seriously make the claim that he wouldn't have a sound of his own that makes his music recognizeable.

Kravitz has gotten a lot of criticism that I don't think is fair. He started doing "retro" when it wasn't fashionable yet and the critics didn't re-evaluate their views on him even if most rock acts were doing some kind of retro stuff just a few years later. There was probably a little bit of racism involved there too, but let's not get into that. In any case, Beck is obviously the more ambitious one artistically and that's what the critics appreciate.

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I disagree with you about Beck, as you can play "spot the influence" on most of his albums.
He's beholden to the past, the same as Kravitz is, and I'm not fooled into thinking that he is
so original just because he mixes two wholly discrete genres of music.

I agree with you about Kravitz who thinks he's stretching out creatively if he abandons 60s
pop and 70s hard rock for 70s funk and now 70s disco. But the lack of support he receives
from the music press (despite his string of Grammy wins in the early aughts) could be racism,
or, just an example of white people propping one of their own up in a pantheon dominated
by Black recording artists. But you're right about one regard concerning Beck: maybe critics
do appreciate him more than Kravitz because he is certainly ambitious with his pastiche.

Lenny Kravitz is definitely no original; but neither is Beck. Beck is rewarded for being more
adventurous, it appears, on top of being a better lyricist.

duccichucka said:

dancerella said:

duccichucka said:

I disagree with you about Beck, as you can play "spot the influence" on most of his albums.
He's beholden to the past, the same as Kravitz is, and I'm not fooled into thinking that he is
so original just because he mixes two wholly discrete genres of music.

I agree with you about Kravitz who thinks he's stretching out creatively if he abandons 60s
pop and 70s hard rock for 70s funk and now 70s disco. But the lack of support he receives
from the music press (despite his string of Grammy wins in the early aughts) could be racism,
or, just an example of white people propping one of their own up in a pantheon dominated
by Black recording artists. But you're right about one regard concerning Beck: maybe critics
do appreciate him more than Kravitz because he is certainly ambitious with his pastiche.

Lenny Kravitz is definitely no original; but neither is Beck. Beck is rewarded for being more
adventurous, it appears, on top of being a better lyricist.

What's wrong with Lennny's song writing?

I'm not sure if you're fucking around with me, but I'ma give you an honest answer:

He's unimaginative. His songs are always straight-ahead and predictable: intro for four bars.
Verse. Chorus. Verse. Chorus. Solo. Chorus. Fade out. He does not dare make any harmonic
explorations - if a song is written in the key of C, then damnit, it will remain in the key of
C and he won't venture too far away from major chords or minor chords. Rarely will you
hear Kravitz toying around with diminished/augmented chords, or sevenths, or other thought
provoking chordal arrangements.

Recently, I was looking at the song structure of Jeff Buckley's "Lover, You Should've Come
Over." It was astonishing how he stretched out harmonically and covered so much ground
compositionally. Kravitz? Puh-lease. He's as interesting harmonically and compositionally
as mud baking in an oven. His compositional color is ecru. He's a great producer in the true
sense of the word as in he knows how to make aurally pleasing albums; he's got a great
ear for that type of thing (Kravitz can successfully and convincingly re-produce a 1965 Beatles
album, a 1970 Curtis Mayfield album, a 1975 Led Zeppelin album, and a 1979 Chic album,
for example).

All that being said, I'd rather listen to Kravtiz than Beck any day. Beck only fools white
people.