MickyDolenz said:

namepeace said:

It happened to Sinatra.

Around 1984 Frank had a single called L.A. Is My Lady, and in the video there were then popular acts like Van Halen, Michael McDonald, & Michael Jackson in it. But I've never heard the song on the radio although I saw the video on Video Soul and I think Solid Gold played a clip of it too.

He was a singular talent, but after a couple of decades in the business and at least 2 major comebacks in the first 3 decades of his career, even HE couldn't get on the radio.

namepeace said:

He was a singular talent, but after a couple of decades in the business and at least 2 major comebacks in the first 3 decades of his career, even HE couldn't get on the radio.

I don't think the Ethel Merman disco record got much airplay either. Frank released a disco record too. Johnny Mathis managed to get his biggest hit dueting with Deniece Williams though. So maybe he started the trend of releasing duet albums with younger artists. Johnny did popularize the greatest hits and Christmas albums

purplethunder3121 said:

Things really have changed. How old was Marvin Gaye when he came out with "Sexual Healing" and won a Grammy? In his 40s... You heard that song everywhere way back when...

I remember back in '86 when Jean Carne hit with her first #1 R&B hit, "Closer Than Close" and Melba with HER first, "Falling." Both women were in their 40's. Those WERE different times. THAT would NEVER happen 2day, sadly. Reid DOES seem a little sketch tho a la M. Knowles. I wouldn't trust him in business personally. TOO shady and sharky. It'll be interesting 2c what happens with the new Janet Jackson CD. Could change up the entire scenario. HOPEFULLY.

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VoicesCarry said:

But her tits are only 15! So she should be able to get some airplay.

Hey, watch it! At least Mariah's breasts look natural.

purplethunder3121 said:

Things really have changed. How old was Marvin Gaye when he came out with "Sexual Healing" and won a Grammy? In his 40s... You heard that song everywhere way back when...

Remember Private Dancer-era Tina Turner or Believe-era Cher? It's profound sad that no woman age 40+ can have that kind of success in the 2010's.

TonyVanDam said:

It's profound sad that no woman age 40+ can have that kind of success in the 2010's.

Isn't Susan Boyle over 40?

MickyDolenz said:

TonyVanDam said:

It's profound sad that no woman age 40+ can have that kind of success in the 2010's.

Isn't Susan Boyle over 40?

Yes. But Susan was technically a rookie in the music industry while already over age 40. Tina & Cher were seasoned veterans before age 40+. Big difference!

Cher just recently turned 69.She'll never have a Top 10 hit again,but at least she can feel good about the success of "Believe" when she was 54.That's a rare thing that probably won't ever happen again.

SoulAlive said:

Cher just recently turned 69.She'll never have a Top 10 hit again,but at least she can feel good about the success of "Believe" when she was 54.That's a rare thing that probably won't ever happen again.

Cher was still age 54 when Strong Enough was a hit as well. And it was a disco track at that!

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^^yup

Paul McCartney recently had a top 5 hit with Rihanna. He's 72.

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It's sad,but that seems to be the only way an older artist can get on the radio these days: appear as a guest artist on a young,"hot" artists' single.

MickyDolenz said:

Paul McCartney recently had a top 5 hit with Rihanna. He's 72.

SoulAlive said:

It's sad,but that seems to be the only way an older artist can get on the radio these days: appear as a guest artist on a young,"hot" artists' single.

Not really a new thing. In the late 1960s, Frank Sinatra got a big hit by dueting with his daughter Nancy on Somethin' Stupid and this was during the psychedelic era. There was also that Bing Crosby & David Bowie Christmas song in the 1970s.

TonyVanDam said:

Yes. But Susan was technically a rookie in the music industry while already over age 40. Tina & Cher were seasoned veterans before age 40+. Big difference!

Exactly..In order for a 40yr old Karaoke singer with an awesome voice to become a Household name he'd have to have a Successful show like "The Voice" or "America's Got Talent" backing him all the way...For an older-rookie recording Artist they can't just be "Good" they have to be Amazing...

Fury said:

mancabdriver said:

Jay Z still manages to have hits and he is a few years older than Mariah – I think Pharrell is the same age as her had the biggest hit of the year in 2014.

Must be a sexist thing.

Mariah been putting out that same lead single for the last three albums. I love memoirs of an imperfect angel, but every song after that album sounds the same. If she wants a number one hit , she would have to pull out a lush romantic ballad.

As well lose the teen bopper audience she been catering to. Really hoping she loses that 'eternally 12' mentality.

I think radio demographis are stilll geared towards 13 to 25 year old females.

I still think public radio painted its self into a tight a corner. Casual music listeners don't purchase enough music and dedicated music lovers and buyers have walked away from music / radio. Hence, all time low record sales. Are folks still making good music? Yeah, but not only are veteran artists / musicians aren't making it to the airwaves, countless bands, singers, and muscian aren't being played either. Why? Because record labels still own and pay to keep all types of music / musicians off pulic airways. Its called pay for play and this shit is alive and well. Music buyers aren't ponying up they're money to purchase what record labels are paying radio to play.

The biggest lie ever told, downloading music for free killed record sales. Dumbass record lables killed their own goose that once laid golden albums / records. Fuck'um all...

Oops!

p.s. I'm sorry, downloading music for free is... soooooooooooooo passé! Streaming is the culprit for low record sales now. Yeah, streamig is the reason for all time low records sales. My bad.... gotta keep up with the times bullshit excuses.

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L.A. had a big hand in moving Justin Bieber to radio.

TD3 said:

I think radio demographis are stilll geared towards 13 to 25 year old females.

I still think public radio painted its self into a tight a corner. Casual music listeners don't purchase enough music and dedicated music lovers and buyers have walked away from music / radio. Hence, all time low record sales. Are folks still making good music? Yeah, but not only are veteran artists / musicians aren't making it to the airwaves, countless bands, singers, and muscian aren't being played either. Why? Because record labels still own and pay to keep all types of music / musicians off pulic airways. Its called pay for play and this shit is alive and well. Music buyers aren't ponying up they're money to purchase what record labels are paying radio to play.

The biggest lie ever told, downloading music for free killed record sales. Dumbass record lables killed their own goose that once laid golden albums / records. Fuck'um all...

Oops!

p.s. I'm sorry, downloading music for free is... soooooooooooooo passé! Streaming is the culprit for low record sales now. Yeah, streamig is the reason for all time low records sales. My bad.... gotta keep up with the times bullshit excuses.

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You're onto something here. Where can I read up on this?

TD3 said:

I think radio demographis are stilll geared towards 13 to 25 year old females.

I still think public radio painted its self into a tight a corner. Casual music listeners don't purchase enough music and dedicated music lovers and buyers have walked away from music / radio. Hence, all time low record sales. Are folks still making good music? Yeah, but not only are veteran artists / musicians aren't making it to the airwaves, countless bands, singers, and muscian aren't being played either. Why? Because record labels still own and pay to keep all types of music / musicians off pulic airways. Its called pay for play and this shit is alive and well. Music buyers aren't ponying up they're money to purchase what record labels are paying radio to play.

The biggest lie ever told, downloading music for free killed record sales. Dumbass record lables killed their own goose that once laid golden albums / records. Fuck'um all...

Oops!

p.s. I'm sorry, downloading music for free is... soooooooooooooo passé! Streaming is the culprit for low record sales now. Yeah, streamig is the reason for all time low records sales. My bad.... gotta keep up with the times bullshit excuses.

Excellent.

TD3 said:

I still think public radio painted its self into a tight a corner. Casual music listeners don't purchase enough music and dedicated music lovers and buyers have walked away from music / radio. Hence, all time low record sales.

I think it's less to do with radio than with other things like technology. A lot of the younger generation listen to music on a phone, ipod, or computer. You don't need to buy a product (record, tape, CD) for that. In some places, there's fewer record stores to buy music, maybe a Wal Mart, which only carry a limited selection. How many stereo stores are around today like Tweeter, Radio Shack, etc? The last time I went into a Radio Shack, it was mostly cell phones, and no radios. I remember Radio Shack would carry remote control cars and hobby kits. Department stores used to carry boomboxes & component sets. It's like people who have an old TV have to get a converter box for it to work. Technology is even killing the book store. All the local Borders went out of business a couple of years ago. Not everyone can buy online like people who deal in cash or do not know how to use a computer. It also does not help that buying a record costs $25-45 on average, when they used to be cheaper than buying a CD. The few singles released on 45 today cost $6-$10, when it used to cost $1.50.

MickyDolenz said:

The last time I went into a Radio Shack, it was mostly cell phones, and no radios. I remember Radio Shack would carry remote control cars and hobby kits.

Didn't they go bankrupt and had to close alot of stores? I feel bad for them.I had been going to Radio Shack for years.It's an old school thing