What do y'all think of the ''bad boy'' rep in rock and rap music? and how people actually think it's cool when someones a gangster, or beats a woman, or goes to jail. I just stumbled across this old VH1 show ''top 40 bad asses'' and the reasons these rockstars were listed as ''badass'' is for abusing women, drugs, getting in fights, nearly killing someone, being alcoholics etc.

Then there's this thing about being ''real'' to some hip-hop fans. Which includes being from the streets or ''not taking shit'' from other people and acting like a boss. I noticed in these two genres especially that people get off on that. The bigger bad boy reputation the more success they get.

How many on the org every liked someone for this status? do you think it's acceptable? or do you even find it attractive? discuss...

I am pretty sure PRINCE fit this category at one point in time.

Nikki Sixx's autobiography was very entertaining from this angle.

I don't think it was so important in rap EXCEPT when an artist created a bad boy image with zero experience to back it. This no longer matters post-Rick Ro$$.

I think the drummer from AC/DC has recently made the list!

You notice that it doesn't usually work for women though. Maybe Courtney Love got juice from her nasty persona but it's more often a liability. I remember Inger Lorre from the Nymphs getting in the papers in LA around 1989-ish, like prime GNR time, for both pissing on her A&R rep's desk and giving her boyfriend a bj on stage. She was pretty much never heard from again. Maybe her band sucked too, I couldn't really say, but she was a total bitch to my wife when we were both waiting to get backstage at a Stooges show and I think literally said "Don't you know who I am" to which my wife got to answer "NO I HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA WHO YOU ARE EXCEPT THAT YOU'RE THE BITCH CUTTING IN FRONT OF ME IN THIS LINE!".

I happened to spot her drummer was in line next to her, and the two of us had a nice friendly chat while those two went at it.

Once back there, we tossed back brews with Philthy Animal Taylor from Motorhead, the biggest badass in any room but also quite the gentleman. We didn't get to Iggy though, maybe Inger Lorre gave him shit about something and he slunk off.

And incidentally, Axl Rose is not a badass, he is the world's largest baby. Black Flag playing 100 shows in 100 days is badass. Making your fans wait three hours while you finish getting your nails done and then stomping off after five minutes because someone in the audience cut a fart, that's wimpy ass baby shit.

I seem to remember him trying to throw a punch at Cobain at some awards thingy just because he was the new big kid on the block. Trying to punch Kurt Cobain is like, the least badass thing you could possibly do. That guy was five foot nothing and ready for his nap. You kind of couldn't help but sucker punch him. You'd be like "Hey, hey HEY LOOK AT ME I'M TRYING TO HIT YOU IN THE FACE!" and he just couldn't be less interested.

Maybe that's a reason why America took to him so warmly at that time... backlash against the world's largest baby.