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Reply #60 posted 03/31/15 1:03pm

terrig

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terrig said:

well they'e been really really quiet about that part. amazing rt?

i'm sure the stakeholders wil ldo very well if it ever gets to IPO stage.

isnt it becasue not only is it miniscule but theres room for theft also?


nerds will still know how to steal, thats never going away.

I suspect Tidals artist split its no better than what exists out there now....or else that press conference would have been actually useful...for some reason they think the fact they all showed means something to everyone else lololol

One thing i hate about the music business is that rather than fixing the problems from WITHIN, ie the labels and the relationships with the stremaing partners they act like the customer is supposed to CARE. As a customer I dont give a crap about your bad deals and your unwillingnes to embrace and work with technology - the inner workings of your privilged existance (to make art as a living is a privilege talent brings you, not necessarily a right, imo) is none of my concern.

The tech sector demeans and undervalues ALL kinds of content and creative work in every area....THAT needs to be addressed by all creative industries....to date creative industries have yet to figure out that unless they band together and pull their content en masse the aggregators will continue to bitchslap them around ....all the platforms are ...are AGGREGATORS. thats it, there's nothing groundbreaking anymore regarding a platform to distribute music, movies and tv. the people getting it right are netflix. its a harmless pricepoint, and that matters to people ALOT.

the arrogance of print television movies and music industries is what lead to the tech sector literally taking over. something has to bridge the gap at some point in time. its not like people wil stop creating and needing distribution but by not making equitable partnerships of content creators on a large scale the tech sector eventually wiil bite their nose off - why? arrogance. the same disease that affected the music industry when they should have embraced napster EARLY...


if everyone in these industries started wanting everyone to win TOGETHER - the customer could shop in freaking peace, not mortgage thier right arm or jump through hoops and it doesnt have to be a damn moral judgemnt where you listen to rhiannas new single.



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Reply #61 posted 03/31/15 1:32pm

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Another attempt by the super rish artists to get a bigger slice of the pie. I'm suprised Kanye didn't ask for more than anyone else.



This model will only benefit the already established stars in the long run. To start with the labels get 75%. But if tidal grew, then that line up on stage would simply drop the label at renewal and take 100% from the site.



Their careers were made on promtion and labels, but they are looking for a way to have it all, and that will leave new artists with even less choice.



I don't think there is enough quality come out to warrant a monthly fee on any service.



I switched to a windows phone and I get Onedrive, which gives me 5tb of free storage for my music and video (thats 200,000 songs if I need it). I also get the free Nokia Mix Radio which creates a radio station based on my listening habits. Its very good.



If I want new music, I buy the CD from Amazon and get automatic autorip off their site at the moment of purchase, which download straight into the onedrive. So I get CD and instant download.



I also have all my music backed up fpr free on Googleplay, where I can store 20,000 for free.

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Reply #62 posted 03/31/15 1:35pm

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I also have all my music backed up fpr free on Googleplay, where I can store 20,000 for free.

Check your account, they've upped the limit to 50,000 now smile

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Reply #63 posted 03/31/15 2:41pm

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Militant said:



SquirrelMeat said:


I also have all my music backed up fpr free on Googleplay, where I can store 20,000 for free.




Check your account, they've upped the limit to 50,000 now smile




That's amazing. Now I need to make sure I can upload songs I had reluctantly deleted under the 20K limit. Some people (myself included) have had issues with getting once-deleted songs to upload again.
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Reply #64 posted 03/31/15 3:18pm

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Plain and simple "streaming" is a way they say you get exposure, i dont agree with that, because the mindset now is that no one should have to pay for music, and that is the mindset, i dont wanna hear, about the lack of talent and albums are expensive BLAH BLAH BLAH. I bought plenty of shitty albums back in the day when i was a kid saving my allowance so im really tired of hearing "i got to hear the shit first", no other genre does this exist, should you be able to go watch half a movie and then decide if you wanna pay? The new generation like i said BY IN LARGE NOT ALL BUT MOST, feel they dont have to pay for music, its made cheap distrubuted cheap and they could care less about who played on it sang on it, if a computer generated that voice or if it was real. Now there still is that "part" of the buying public that is not in that mindset, that is why you still see albums by harder rock acts selling because they actually are preserving shit, shows like "That Metal Show" like the music or not, is helping a genre live, where is that in RB? Where is that preservation of the past and nurturing of some of the new artists, No answer right?

And also to me STREAMING is simple to lift burn and steal. There are YouTube videos made how to do this and you dont think kids are spending a few hours learning rather than buy a cd? please be real, the majority steal it. EXAMPLE, girl group "Fifth Harmony" did a Yahoo Live Concert stream, within a half an hour that show was on YouTube perfect quality and dvds being sold on Ebay of the show, so spare me, and they are far from elite rich artists.

As for TIDAL who knows what will come, will it burn, probably because there is cost and the general population doesnt want another bill that is reality no matter how you wanna spin this debate.


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Reply #65 posted 03/31/15 4:05pm

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Ellie said:

I still can't get on board with paying to use Spotify or similar services. All the people I know that use it generally don't even like music that much and just useit to listen to random things that might be popular right now. Not to mention a few have been charged twice every month for it and bugs in the app have rendered it useless for weeks on end. Also every time I've personally done a search for something on it, what I'm looking for isn't available.

I just still believe in buying music outright for some crazy reason.

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I don't see myself signing up with any streaming service anytime soon because I frequently find myself in places with no internet connection.

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Reply #66 posted 03/31/15 4:47pm

Bison4Life

Alot of great responses.I'm not lukewarm to the idea because I think this is the short term plan for those invovled. I think long term they will bypass the majors altogether and become the music version of United Artists.

Studio-Tidal-consumer remove the majors. Tidal becomes the defacto distribution of the product.

I see people lameting what they wont buy but if say T. Swift/Madonna or Bey/Rihannaduet album is done on that platform first. Traffic will go up tremendously.

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Reply #67 posted 03/31/15 5:24pm

terrig

Bison4Life said:

Alot of great responses.I'm not lukewarm to the idea because I think this is the short term plan for those invovled. I think long term they will bypass the majors altogether and become the music version of United Artists.

Studio-Tidal-consumer remove the majors. Tidal becomes the defacto distribution of the product.

I see people lameting what they wont buy but if say T. Swift/Madonna or Bey/Rihannaduet album is done on that platform first. Traffic will go up tremendously.


I bet they will never leave their labels. No way. NONE of them have the nerve. None of these people will use their own money to pay for the production/promotion or distribution of their own art. NOPE.

This is where PRINCE was/is miles and miles ahead of the curve and his battle showed the huge brass cojones he has, and this GROUP of superstars cant really STILL come close to Prince and what he REALLY did.

Also...the stake holders add up to 48% - they dont control anything that cant be voted down. This wil lbe fascinating though.

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Reply #68 posted 03/31/15 9:05pm

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terrig said:

Bison4Life said:

Alot of great responses.I'm not lukewarm to the idea because I think this is the short term plan for those invovled. I think long term they will bypass the majors altogether and become the music version of United Artists.

Studio-Tidal-consumer remove the majors. Tidal becomes the defacto distribution of the product.

I see people lameting what they wont buy but if say T. Swift/Madonna or Bey/Rihannaduet album is done on that platform first. Traffic will go up tremendously.


I bet they will never leave their labels. No way. NONE of them have the nerve. None of these people will use their own money to pay for the production/promotion or distribution of their own art. NOPE.

This is where PRINCE was/is miles and miles ahead of the curve and his battle showed the huge brass cojones he has, and this GROUP of superstars cant really STILL come close to Prince and what he REALLY did.

Also...the stake holders add up to 48% - they dont control anything that cant be voted down. This wil lbe fascinating though.

Another good point. None of these stars have a back bone and are just puppets. They wouldn't take a risk or make a stand because it would be to risky. These current pop stars are very weak in that respect. I don't even believe Jay Z owns a big stake in this streaming service and the real strings are being pulled by the white men in the back ground. He is just the face. Madonna's involvement in this makes her look desperate but this is Madonna and she loves attention...so lol I hope Prince doesn't get involved with this.

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Reply #69 posted 03/31/15 10:53pm

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mjscarousal said:

Another good point. None of these stars have a back bone and are just puppets. They wouldn't take a risk or make a stand because it would be to risky. These current pop stars are very weak in that respect. I don't even believe Jay Z owns a big stake in this streaming service and the real strings are being pulled by the white men in the back ground. He is just the face. Madonna's involvement in this makes her look desperate but this is Madonna and she loves attention...so lol I hope Prince doesn't get involved with this.

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I suspect they're involved because there's no downside (in particular, no financial risk) if it doesn't work out. Maybe people will laugh at them, but you know how short attention spans are these days...it will be forgotten quickly. On the other hand, if it does somehow become a success, then they stand to make money, which is something M in particular enjoys doing! lol

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Reply #70 posted 03/31/15 10:57pm

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sexton said:

I don't see myself signing up with any streaming service anytime soon because I frequently find myself in places with no internet connection.

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Glad I'm not the only person who can say this! lol

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When I tell people this is why I'm not on social media, not using all these streaming things, etc etc, they appear stunned! Not sure if it's because they can't imagine spending even a few hours without those things. Or if they don't realize there's still a lot of territory out there (at least here in the western US) without any kind of cell service.

"I would say that Prince's top thirty percent is great. Of that thirty percent, I'll bet the public has heard twenty percent of it." - Susan Rogers, "Hunting for Prince's Vault", BBC, 2015
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Reply #71 posted 04/01/15 2:01am

SoulAlive

(from l. to r.) Usher, Rihanna, Nicki Minaj, Madonna, Deadmau5, Kanye West, JAY Z, and J. Cole were all at the event announcing Tidal, an artist-owned music streaming service.

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Reply #72 posted 04/01/15 3:13am

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I might be a bit dense when it comes to this sort of thing (I'm fairly traditional in how I purchase music, I still buy CDs and upload them onto iTunes) but I really don't understand the appeal of streaming sites. As someone who doesn't and never has listened to music on my phone, I don't want to have to log-in to a site like Spotify or Tidal to listen to my music. I have an iPod classic because I want to carry the maximum amount of songs on one device and I want to OWN the songs I listen to. From what I can tell, there is no way to legally own or download songs from these streaming websites to do with as you please. I don't want to be restricted to purchasing a song and only being able to listen to it on Spotify etc.

Why can't they come up with a subscription-based site where you can legally buy x amount of albums per month and you can download them onto whatever device you like, be it a smartphone, laptop, iTunes or even burn it onto a CD? £20 a month and you can download whatever you like up to a certain limit (say, ten albums a month, £2 an album). It beats buying expensive CDs at £10.99 a pop and you're still supporting the artist. Labels need to drastically bring down the price of albums if they want people to start buying them again. The days of spending £10-15 on one album are a thing of the past (and I say that as one of the few remaining people who still purchase CD albums).

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Reply #73 posted 04/01/15 5:12am

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SoulAlive said:

I wonder what Prince thinks of this service hmmm The fact that it's artist-owned,should appeal to him.

I wouldn't be surprised if Prince was currently conjuring up a production of his own "artist owned" music streaming service, however, how cool would it be if this steaming service only showcased his music...including music from his vault, music he's produced and/or written for others as well as featuring music of his proteges??? Only thing is, we know P would probably charge and arm, a leg and a neckbone in monthly fees.neutral

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Reply #74 posted 04/01/15 5:26am

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missfee said:

SoulAlive said:

I wonder what Prince thinks of this service hmmm The fact that it's artist-owned,should appeal to him.

I wouldn't be surprised if Prince was currently conjuring up a production of his own "artist owned" music streaming service, however, how cool would it be if this steaming service only showcased his music...including music from his vault, music he's produced and/or written for others as well as featuring music of his proteges??? Only thing is, we know P would probably charge and arm, a leg and a neckbone in monthly fees.neutral

Prince already went down that road. His attention span lasted 2 years.

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Reply #75 posted 04/01/15 5:30am

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MattyJam said:

I might be a bit dense when it comes to this sort of thing (I'm fairly traditional in how I purchase music, I still buy CDs and upload them onto iTunes) but I really don't understand the appeal of streaming sites. As someone who doesn't and never has listened to music on my phone, I don't want to have to log-in to a site like Spotify or Tidal to listen to my music. I have an iPod classic because I want to carry the maximum amount of songs on one device and I want to OWN the songs I listen to. From what I can tell, there is no way to legally own or download songs from these streaming websites to do with as you please. I don't want to be restricted to purchasing a song and only being able to listen to it on Spotify etc.



Why can't they come up with a subscription-based site where you can legally buy x amount of albums per month and you can download them onto whatever device you like, be it a smartphone, laptop, iTunes or even burn it onto a CD? £20 a month and you can download whatever you like up to a certain limit (say, ten albums a month, £2 an album). It beats buying expensive CDs at £10.99 a pop and you're still supporting the artist. Labels need to drastically bring down the price of albums if they want people to start buying them again. The days of spending £10-15 on one album are a thing of the past (and I say that as one of the few remaining people who still purchase CD albums).




I also still buy CDs and load them to iTunes. But I've been subscribing to Rhapsody for six years. I love streaming music, primarily for screening what music I want to buy. It's also great for those months when my discretionary spending for music is lower. I would never go 100% streaming. But it's an awesome way to supplement my old school CD purchases.
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Reply #76 posted 04/01/15 7:28am

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CandaceS said:

sexton said:

I don't see myself signing up with any streaming service anytime soon because I frequently find myself in places with no internet connection.

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Glad I'm not the only person who can say this! lol

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When I tell people this is why I'm not on social media, not using all these streaming things, etc etc, they appear stunned! Not sure if it's because they can't imagine spending even a few hours without those things. Or if they don't realize there's still a lot of territory out there (at least here in the western US) without any kind of cell service.

me too, I work in the basement of a cement building lol

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Reply #77 posted 04/01/15 7:43am

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I'm on Spotify's free, ad-supported plan because I can't see myself paying to stream music , unless the subscription includes access to rare demos, unreleased songs, and the like.

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Reply #78 posted 04/01/15 7:44am

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Identity said:

I'm on Spotify's free, ad-supported plan because I can't see myself paying to stream music , unless the subscription includes access to rare demos, unreleased songs, and the like.

Yep.

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Reply #79 posted 04/01/15 8:39am

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Graycap23 said:

missfee said:

I wouldn't be surprised if Prince was currently conjuring up a production of his own "artist owned" music streaming service, however, how cool would it be if this steaming service only showcased his music...including music from his vault, music he's produced and/or written for others as well as featuring music of his proteges??? Only thing is, we know P would probably charge and arm, a leg and a neckbone in monthly fees.neutral

Prince already went down that road. His attention span lasted 2 years.

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Maybe I'm having a senior moment, but I'm not sure what you're referring to here?

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Reply #80 posted 04/01/15 8:40am

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He's referring to lotusflow3r.com lol

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Reply #81 posted 04/01/15 8:43am

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He's referring to lotusflow3r.com lol

NPG Music Club and LotusFlow3r.

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Reply #82 posted 04/01/15 8:58am

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OK...I did think maybe you were referring to NPGMC. I already totally forgot about lotusflower! lol I don't think either site really did much as far as providing access to the vault.

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Reply #83 posted 04/01/15 9:05am

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CandaceS said:

OK...I did think maybe you were referring to NPGMC. I already totally forgot about lotusflower! lol I don't think either site really did much as far as providing access to the vault.

Lol..........I had forgot about Lotusflow3r as well. That was nothing more than a ripoff of fans.

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Reply #84 posted 04/01/15 9:18am

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Graycap23 said:

CandaceS said:

OK...I did think maybe you were referring to NPGMC. I already totally forgot about lotusflower! lol I don't think either site really did much as far as providing access to the vault.

Lol..........I had forgot about Lotusflow3r as well. That was nothing more than a ripoff of fans.

Where's my shirt! mad

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Reply #85 posted 04/01/15 12:06pm

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NPGMC was the best. I wish every artist could work with that exact model.

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Reply #86 posted 04/01/15 12:14pm

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Cinny said:

NPGMC was the best. I wish every artist could work with that exact model.


I got front row tickets through NPGMC--more than once. It was indeed the best.

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Reply #87 posted 04/01/15 12:15pm

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sexton said:

Cinny said:

NPGMC was the best. I wish every artist could work with that exact model.


I got front row tickets through NPGMC--more than once. It was indeed the best.

It even had a decent blog/feed. Remember all those drawings that looked like fashion designs?

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Reply #88 posted 04/01/15 1:12pm

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sexton said:

Cinny said:

NPGMC was the best. I wish every artist could work with that exact model.


I got front row tickets through NPGMC--more than once. It was indeed the best.

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Yeah, the great tix (at face price) via NPGMC were sweet! cool Now if only P could do something like that again...

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Reply #89 posted 04/01/15 1:28pm

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CandaceS said:

sexton said:


I got front row tickets through NPGMC--more than once. It was indeed the best.

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Yeah, the great tix (at face price) via NPGMC were sweet! cool Now if only P could do something like that again...

Prince isn't big on returning 2 the scene of the crime.

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