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Thread started 03/16/15 1:58am

Gunsnhalen

New Kendrick Lamar Album.

The album is everything i wanted and more. Some really amazing lyrics and bars on this album. The album has been on my ipod non stop after the release tonight.

Now y'all stop arguing about who ripped off who. Why artists today suck, why this sucks, or why you're a secret fan of Ashanti. And go listen to a fucking great new album. And then come back her to discusss it.


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Pistols sounded like "Fuck off," wheras The Clash sounded like "Fuck Off, but here's why.."- Thedigitialgardener

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Reply #1 posted 03/16/15 6:45am

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I wanna hear this, I think it will be good. Whats the standout tracks so far??

The album cover is dope.

“It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non- violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection” - Lesley Hazleton on the first Muslim, the prophet.
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Reply #2 posted 03/16/15 7:49am

Musicslave

hausofmoi7 said:

I wanna hear this, I think it will be good. Whats the standout tracks so far??

The album cover is dope.

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Dope indeed! Can't wait to hear it!

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Reply #3 posted 03/16/15 10:54pm

Gunsnhalen

hausofmoi7 said:

I wanna hear this, I think it will be good. Whats the standout tracks so far??

The album cover is dope.

No skipable tracks!!!! my favorites would be Hood Politics, U, Alright, Mortal Man (The sing about me, i'm dying of thirst of the album. My favorite on this album!!! fucking amazin) The Blacker The Berry, King Kunta.

Pistols sounded like "Fuck off," wheras The Clash sounded like "Fuck Off, but here's why.."- Thedigitialgardener

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Reply #4 posted 03/17/15 4:28am

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That boy Kendrick .... Headline status ... I had to double check a few times I wasn't listening to the latest Outkast release. This reminds me how Outkast flipped the script on their second release. This get mad repeats this year.
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Reply #5 posted 03/17/15 8:31am

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This album is AMAZING.
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
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Reply #6 posted 03/17/15 9:21am

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hmmm

I need 2 peep this out.

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Reply #7 posted 03/17/15 11:06am

cstudio

King Kunta ! By the time you hear the next pop, the funk shall be within you ...

FANTASTIC ALBUM

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Reply #8 posted 03/17/15 11:11am

cstudio

Beau

tifully layered and textured...makes me think of D'Angelo's BM (but I like this one more....blasphemy?)

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Reply #9 posted 03/17/15 11:40am

Zannaloaf

cstudio said:

Beau

tifully layered and textured...makes me think of D'Angelo's BM (but I like this one more....blasphemy?)

i thought exactly the same.

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Reply #10 posted 03/17/15 11:54am

KingSausage

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I don't think its better or worse than Black Messiah. Just amazing in its own way. What a great few months for music!
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Reply #11 posted 03/17/15 1:37pm

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Can you actually understand the lyrics? lol

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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Reply #12 posted 03/17/15 1:42pm

cstudio

You're right KingSausage, they are both GREAT albums even if I find the KL album is more diverse and less monotonous. It has some great instrumental arrangements.

I even get that "Eric Leeds" feeling on some songs with sax or flute....the beginning of for example "u" does that for me...really great
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Reply #13 posted 03/17/15 1:44pm

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cstudio said:

You're right KingSausage, they are both GREAT albums even if I find the KL album is more diverse and less monotonous. It has some great instrumental arrangements. I even get that "Eric Leeds" feeling on some songs with sax or flute....the beginning of for example "u" does that for me...really great

Whoa.............I really NEED 2 check this joint out.

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Reply #14 posted 03/17/15 1:57pm

cstudio

purplethunder3121 said:

Can you actually understand the lyrics? lol


Lyrics might be much to loud and clear for some... biggrin
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Reply #15 posted 03/17/15 2:00pm

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cstudio said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Can you actually understand the lyrics? lol

Lyrics might be much to loud and clear for some... biggrin

No mumbling? lol I'll defintely give it a listen. wink

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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Reply #16 posted 03/18/15 8:19am

Musicslave

How do you guys feel about Rolling Stone's track-by-track preview.....

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http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/kendrick-lamars-to-pimp-a-butterfly-a-track-by-track-guide-20150316?page=4

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Reply #17 posted 03/18/15 10:24am

KingSausage

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Musicslave said:

How do you guys feel about Rolling Stone's track-by-track preview.....


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http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/kendrick-lamars-to-pimp-a-butterfly-a-track-by-track-guide-20150316?page=4






Should I click that link or is it just going to piss me off (more than usual)?
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Reply #18 posted 03/18/15 10:32am

Musicslave

KingSausage said:

Musicslave said:

How do you guys feel about Rolling Stone's track-by-track preview.....

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http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/kendrick-lamars-to-pimp-a-butterfly-a-track-by-track-guide-20150316?page=4

Should I click that link or is it just going to piss me off (more than usual)?

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Can't say being that I haven't heard it for myself it. Trust me, I'm not looking to RS for validation, mainly curious to see if their preview of the album's source material, musicians ring true or not. According to the article, it features a serious roster of talent from George Clinton, Robert Glasper, Lalah Hathaway, Bilal, etc.

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I look forward to hearing it.

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Reply #19 posted 03/18/15 11:22am

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this album is the truth and way beyond BM in scope.

it's one of the best albums I've heard since.........I dont even know.

to compare AOA or plectrum to this is plain emabarrasing.

this is how it's done in 2015.

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Reply #20 posted 03/18/15 4:13pm

Gunsnhalen

SignOthetimes1987 said:

this album is the truth and way beyond BM in scope.

it's one of the best albums I've heard since.........I dont even know.

to compare AOA or plectrum to this is plain emabarrasing.

this is how it's done in 2015.

Prince hasn't made an album thsi godo since the 80's... maybe mid 90's.

It's only march! but a standard is being set lol

Pistols sounded like "Fuck off," wheras The Clash sounded like "Fuck Off, but here's why.."- Thedigitialgardener

All music is shit music and no music is real- gunsnhalen

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Reply #21 posted 03/18/15 4:40pm

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That Rolling Stone piece is great. Thanks for posting!
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
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Reply #22 posted 03/18/15 5:59pm

SignOthetimes1
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Gunsnhalen said:

SignOthetimes1987 said:

this album is the truth and way beyond BM in scope.

it's one of the best albums I've heard since.........I dont even know.

to compare AOA or plectrum to this is plain emabarrasing.

this is how it's done in 2015.

Prince hasn't made an album thsi godo since the 80's... maybe mid 90's.

It's only march! but a standard is being set lol

I don't think Prince has made an album this great since Sign.

for me that says A LOT.

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Reply #23 posted 03/18/15 6:13pm

3rdeyedude

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if this is on the album I just might get it

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Reply #24 posted 03/18/15 6:29pm

SignOthetimes1
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if this is on the album I just might get it

this is Kendrick trolling the the ones who don't get it before album launch.

this edit is even half the album length.

it includes another part.

and it serves as a breather on the album.

"i"radio edit is a 100 percent not representative for Kendricks album.

someone should just stream the whole album here.

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Reply #25 posted 03/18/15 7:29pm

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I don't care for the end of the track where he tries to put the blame back at black people's feet. That's called pulling your punches. There is a big difference between internalized self hatred and institutional racism designed to oppress an entire group of people.

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Reply #26 posted 03/18/15 8:11pm

datdude

cstudio said:

Beau

tifully layered and textured...makes me think of D'Angelo's BM (but I like this one more....blasphemy?)

WTF. that D'Angelo joint was an audio turd. Please don't compare. I hope Kendrick's joint is way better

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Reply #27 posted 03/18/15 8:13pm

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lrn36 said:

I don't care for the end of the track where he tries to put the blame back at black people's feet. That's called pulling your punches. There is a big difference between internalized self hatred and institutional racism designed to oppress an entire group of people.

Thank YOU SIR. And this type of TRUTH and the inability to understand and articulate it is exactly why a f#*%in Starbucks Barrista better never say ISH to me!

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Reply #28 posted 03/18/15 9:11pm

Gunsnhalen

lrn36 said:

I don't care for the end of the track where he tries to put the blame back at black people's feet. That's called pulling your punches. There is a big difference between internalized self hatred and institutional racism designed to oppress an entire group of people.

I think you completely misunderstood the last track.

Pistols sounded like "Fuck off," wheras The Clash sounded like "Fuck Off, but here's why.."- Thedigitialgardener

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Reply #29 posted 03/18/15 9:40pm

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I didn't misunderstand.

"So why did I weep when Travon Martion was in the street. When gang banging make me kill a nigga blacker than me. Hypocrite"

By conflating the oppression and hatred imposed on black people with the self hatred within the black community, he is implying that white racsim is our fault. Its the musical equivalent of Bill Cosby's contemptuous 'pull your pant up' rant. I'm not sure if he geniunely feels this way or this was a cheap trick to not alienate is multi-cultural adudinece. If you are going to call out white racism then own it or don't say anything at all. I'm not the only one who felt this.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/11/who-exactly-is-kendrick-lamar-raging-against-in-the-blacker-the-berry.html

Who Exactly Is Kendrick Lamar Raging Against in ‘The Blacker the Berry?’

Stereo Williams

With “The Blacker the Berry,” Kendrick Lamar spends most of the track rebelling against those who he feels are intent on marginalizing and oppressing black people.

“I’m the biggest hypocrite of 2015…”

Kendrick Lamar’s fiery new single “The Blacker the Berry” hit the web yesterday and set off a flurry on social media. The Compton rapper is something of a critical darling these days, and he’s become one of the more celebrated emcees in hip-hop on the back of thoughtful and passionate tracks like “Berry.” In the song, Kendrick raps about his frustration with the current racial climate in America and around the world, referencing everything from racial profiling to stereotypes about watermelon and Kool-Aid. It continues what has been a top-shelf run for Lamar leading up to his forthcoming album. From his well-received single and video “I,” to his performance on The Colbert Report and now this single—Kendrick Lamar obviously has something to say. We should be excited for that.

But that’s still not enough.

With “The Blacker the Berry,” Kendrick spends most of the track rebelling against those who he feels are intent on marginalizing and oppressing black people. He’s at his most confrontational and unapologetic for the vast majority of the Boi-1da-produced song. “You hate my people, your plan is to terminate my culture,” he raps. “You're fuckin' evil. I want you to recognize that I'm a proud monkey. You vandalize my perception but can't take style from me…”

But the final verse of the song calls into question who exactly Kendrick Lamar is raging against—is it a white supremacist culture and system or is it black people who he believes are out to destroy other black people?

The final verse continues with the fire and brimstone, but Kendrick points his angry gaze at himself and his community.

“So why did I weep when Trayvon Martin was in the street?
When gang banging make me kill a nigga blacker than me?”

Echoing comments he made to Billboard last month, Kendrick ends the song with that baiting couplet. Lamar has been a proponent of the “black people have to love ourselves” mantra for a little while now, but in closing a song about oppression and racism with a verse that implies that black people’s supposed self-hatred is “hypocritical” in the face of that oppression and racism, the rhymer turns what seemed like an introspective track about his own anger and conflict into a finger-wagging session aimed at his own people.

Such a great song. Derailed by a misguided intention.

“So why did I weep when Trayvon Martin was in the street? / When gang banging make me kill a nigga blacker than me?”

As has been stated several times over the course of the past several months, the “what about black-on-black crime” argument is used to deflect and silence conversations about systematic oppression of black people. The outrage in the aftermath of the Trayvon Martin murder wasn’t limited to anguish over the death of a young, black teenager—it was justifiable anger at the fact that a police department decided that the murderer wasn’t in violation of the law.

Had it not been for that outrage, George Zimmerman would’ve never even been charged at all. He wasn’t even arrested after police discovered what he’d done. One quick look at similar cases that have made national headlines over the past year—from Mike Brown in Ferguson, MO, to Eric Garner in New York City—and it’s clear that the lack of prosecution is the reason for the outrage. The refrain has become standard: black person killed, white system says the murder was justified. No charges filed.

So where is the hypocrisy? The Crips and Pirus Lamar references in his song aren’t protected by a system that decides their murderous behavior is just business-as-usual. And the countless activists in cities like Detroit, Chicago, Los Angeles and elsewhere who have been fighting to mentor youth and stave off gun violence—they’re treated like they’re non-existent by those too eager to let the system off the hook for what it does to black bodies. This is beyond white people killing black people vs black people killing black people; we have to be vigilant against state-sanctioned murder as funded by taxpayers.

If there is a hypocrisy, doesn’t it fall on those who would use gang violence to silence public outrage against oppression while ignoring the fact that the gang violence is also a product of that same racist oppression? Darius and Tyrone go to jail for killing, Officers Wilson and Panteleo do not. It’s not even necessary to mention the two disparate social ills in the same context unless it’s to recognize the multi-faceted attack on poor black youth by a system that despises them.

I’m a big fan of Kendrick Lamar. He’s one of the most compelling artists in contemporary hip-hop; a nimble and clever emcee who can go from raging to resigned in the space of one song. He’s charismatic and his vision is sharp, and I find him more engaging than J. Cole, whose perspective I relate to more but whose music sometimes lacks a pulse. And he’s more artistically focused than Drake, who’s constant navel-gazing and eagerness to please seem to stifle his growth.

But Kendrick’s perspective on black oppression could benefit from being more informed and more thoughtful. It’s insulting to pretend that no one cares about the violence in black communities; it’s dangerous to use that violence as a silencing tactic when the public is angry about the systematic subjugation of black people; and it’s irresponsible to act like it's “hypocrisy” for black people—or even Kendrick himself—to care about profiling and police who shoot first with impunity. K-Dot sounds ready for war on the verses. But I hate the way he turns his gun on himself and his people—black people have always loved ourselves, and it’s never made anyone else love us. Lamar fumbles the ball at the five yard line. And I hate that he doesn’t understand why it was a fumble. It’s awkward to admit that I still loved most of “The Blacker the Berry” though.

So maybe I’m a hypocrite, too.

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