i was watching an interesting documentary on bbc 4 last week,it was about the band 'joy division'.

the programme was ruined for me by the childish swearing from members of the band 'new order'

the worst offender was a guy who i think was called peter hook,i don't know why people in pop music

need to use foul language to make their point,i have worked in factories and on building sites and

you dont hear all that much swearing in those places so what are pop stars trying to prove by swearing.i'm surprised that the producer of the 'joy division' film couldnt see how embarrassing

peter hooks contribution was.

Swearing is visceral and is sometimes the closet we can get to emotionally expressing what 'proper' words and sentences could never convey.

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When you've written as many great songs as Peter Hook has, you can swear as much as you like as far as I'm concerned.

I think they have a point--I mean, if you're doing a Joy Division documentary, why waste time talking to some guy from this New Order band.

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The reality is you've got to go with your subject, so they had to have Peter Hook in the program. They couldn't drop him. And a good documentary maker let's their talking heads talk... I mean, that's the material. And when it comes to editing... well, if that's the way your interviewees talk, that's how they talk. If it's an occasional word, maybe you could edit around it--but maybe it couldn't be done without chopping it up so much that it would seem like editing to control content (not language)--and besides...

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Maybe it just didn't strike the documentarian as a problem... either it didn't seem "childish" to the makers, or it even seemed like an intrinsic part of the film.

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I'm annoyed sometimes by language that pops up, because I'm concerned with what my daughter takes on as typical (she's only 10)--but that's my issue (and not related to my own opinion of the language in and of itself), not everyone's. People talk the way they talk (and pop artists might swear a lot, but I've encountered people in many walks of life that are just as given to such language), and I think they should be portrayed as they are.

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And obviously you shouldn't tell Joy Division's story without Hook.