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Reply #60 posted 04/26/15 12:55pm

SoulAlive	RJOrion said: be clear...this album was, and still is, trash... all it did was confirm that Michael, Jermaine & Janet should be the only Jackson siblings ever allowed near a recording studio [ What this album really confirmed to me is that,Michael should have left the group after Off The Wall
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Reply #61 posted 04/26/15 1:26pm

RJOrion	SoulAlive said: RJOrion said: be clear...this album was, and still is, trash... all it did was confirm that Michael, Jermaine & Janet should be the only Jackson siblings ever allowed near a recording studio [ What this album really confirmed to me is that,Michael should have left the group after Off The Wall Michael should have left the group after "I Want You Back"
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Reply #62 posted 04/26/15 1:33pm

MotownSubdivis ion	SoulAlive said: RJOrion said: be clear...this album was, and still is, trash... all it did was confirm that Michael, Jermaine & Janet should be the only Jackson siblings ever allowed near a recording studio [ What this album really confirmed to me is that,Michael should have left the group after Off The Wall Not with Triumph yet to be made
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Reply #63 posted 04/26/15 1:41pm

thedoorkeeper	I had forgotten State of Shock so I looked it up and gave it a fresh listen and - whew! - now I know why I forgot it - its not too good.
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Reply #64 posted 04/26/15 1:49pm

RJOrion	thedoorkeeper said: I had forgotten State of Shock so I looked it up and gave it a fresh listen and - whew! - now I know why I forgot it - its not too good. i tried the same thing with "One More Chance" and "Torture" its almost comical how bad those songs are... [Edited 4/26/15 13:49pm]
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Reply #65 posted 04/26/15 2:06pm

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RJOrion said:
SoulAlive said:

What this album really confirmed to me is that,Michael should have left the group after Off The Wall

Michael should have left the group after "I Want You Back"

And that proves that you have no idea what you are talking about.

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Reply #66 posted 04/26/15 3:34pm

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State Of Shock is my favorite song sung by Michael Jackson.... Yeah! I said it!!! bringiton

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Reply #67 posted 04/26/15 4:27pm

Ego101

Or he was just carrying on with his tradition of doing hit duets with Legends..

Paul Mccartney, Freddie Mercury ect..

SoulAlive said:

It's a very mediocre album.It's obvious that Michael didn't wanna participate,but he felt obligated.Notice that,on one of his contributions ("State Of Shock"),he sings with Mick Jaggger instead of one of his own brothers.That tells you how he really felt about his brothers

The "Body" video is hilarious alot of unintentional humor in that clip

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Reply #68 posted 04/26/15 4:27pm

Ego101	agreed.. SoulAlive said: I think "Tell Me I'm Not Dreaming" is better than anything on Victory.Epic should have fought hard to have that song included on Victory.
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Reply #69 posted 04/26/15 4:30pm

Ego101	State of Shock kicks ass for what it is... djThunderfunk said: State Of Shock is my favorite song sung by Michael Jackson.... Yeah! I said it!!!
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Reply #70 posted 04/26/15 4:40pm

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RJOrion said:

thedoorkeeper said:

I had forgotten State of Shock so I looked
it up and gave it a fresh listen and - whew! -
now I know why I forgot it - its not too
good.

i tried the same thing with "One More Chance" and "Torture" its almost comical how bad those songs are...
[Edited 4/26/15 13:49pm]

I can understand "State of Shock" but "One More Chance"? Some disjointed lines aside, it's a very strong tune.

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Reply #71 posted 04/26/15 4:46pm

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We need the outtakes to appear. Buffalo Bill and others.

Also, greatest album cover ever.

PRINCE: Always and Forever
MICHAEL JACKSON: Always and Forever
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Live Your Life How U Wanna Live It

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Reply #72 posted 04/26/15 7:36pm

thedoorkeeper	Has Buffalo Bill ever leaked? Anybody heard it?
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Reply #73 posted 04/26/15 7:47pm

MotownSubdivis ion	thedoorkeeper said: Has Buffalo Bill ever leaked? Anybody heard it? Could've sworn I heard it a few years ago when I looked it up on YouTube but I'm likely remembering incorrectly.
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Reply #74 posted 04/26/15 9:03pm

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MotownSubdivision said:
thedoorkeeper said:
Has Buffalo Bill ever leaked? Anybody heard it?
Could've sworn I heard it a few years ago when I looked it up on YouTube but I'm likely remembering incorrectly.

I think lyrics are on the web somewhere, but not the song.

These are all of the songs known that were submitted for Victory.

Michael
State of Shock ft. Mick Jagger 1983
Be Not Always 1984
Pyramid Girl 1983
Buffalo Bill 1984
State of Shock ft. Freddie Mercury 1983
Victory ft. Freddie Mercury 1983
Jackie
Torture [Original version with Jackie and Michael] 1983
Nona [tribute to Sophia Loren] 1983
Torture [Victory version with Jermaine and Michael] 1984
Wait 1984
Power 1984
Tito
We Can Change The World 1983
Bad Company 1983
Marlon
Body 1983
Where Do I Stand? 1983
I’m In Love With You 1983
Randy
One More Chance 1984
The Hurt 1984
Still In Love With You 1983

PRINCE: Always and Forever
MICHAEL JACKSON: Always and Forever
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Reply #75 posted 04/27/15 1:11pm

Glascutter	Wasn't Victory (the track with Freddie Mercury) supposed to be released as part of the recent Queen project? As for songs on the album, I always liked this mix of Torture
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Reply #76 posted 04/27/15 1:46pm

steakfinger	"Victory is a very good al... I said it" Alex Jones says Obama was born in Kenya. Saying something doesn't make it true. I'm sure it's a very good album to you, though. That much is certainly true.
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Reply #77 posted 04/27/15 1:53pm

MotownSubdivis ion	steakfinger said: "Victory is a very good al... I said it" Alex Jones says Obama was born in Kenya. Saying something doesn't make it true. I'm sure it's a very good album to you, though. That much is certainly true. Congratulations, you figured out I was stating my opinion. [Edited 4/27/15 13:59pm]
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Reply #78 posted 04/28/15 2:12pm

Doalwa

Victory was a pretty disappointing album, overall...Torture, One more chance and State of shock were monster jams, but the rest was pretty meh...

But I love their earlier albums, Thriumph, Destiny and parts of Going places rank among the best of MJs work! Don't even get me started on their fantastic live album!!!

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Reply #79 posted 04/28/15 4:46pm

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Teddy Riley did some songs on the 2300 Jackson Street album including the title track. I wonder did Mike choose him for Dangerous as a result of this.

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Reply #80 posted 04/28/15 5:14pm

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Doalwa said:

No doubt Victory is a disappointment and was even more so with the spectacle surrounding the Jacksons at the time of its release but the music is still good. I'd replace "State of Shock" with "Wait" (should have been a single), "The Hurt", or even "We Can Change the World" (which had single potential as well).

As for albums, their CBS debut, The Jacksons is pretty good too. Even more underrated than Triumph and Destiny. Despite all the hate it gets, 2300 Jackson Street is a hot album to even if the brothers' star power wasn't what it used to be. It was a nice foray into new jack swing. Overall, as The Jacksons they have a great lineup of albums.

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Reply #81 posted 04/28/15 5:28pm

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MotownSubdivision said:
I'd replace "State of Shock" with "Wait" (should have been a single), "The Hurt", or even "We Can Change the World" (which had single potential as well).

Mick Jagger's solo career didn't seem to do that well except for a couple of duets, State Of Shock + Dancing In The Street with David Bowie.

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Reply #82 posted 04/28/15 5:31pm

MotownSubdivis ion	MickyDolenz said: MotownSubdivision said: I'd replace "State of Shock" with "Wait" (should have been a single), "The Hurt", or even "We Can Change the World" (which had single potential as well). Mick Jagger's solo career didn't seem to do that well except for a couple of duets, State Of Shock + Dancing In The Street with David Bowie. Was he solo in 1984?
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Reply #83 posted 04/28/15 6:02pm

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MotownSubdivision said:
Was he solo in 1984?

No, I think the Stones were still releasing singles from their 1983 album Undercover. Mick's 1st solo album came out in 1985, and then another Stones album came out in 1986, and Mick released a solo in 1987.

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