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"Blurred Lines" must be the most ironic title for a song ever...

I find this all so frivolous.

damacy said:

laurarichardson said:

damacy said:

I find this all so frivolous.

It is called copyright infringement.

That will be decided by the court. There have been very few cases like this one where a song's production style is mimicked from another one and it's lead to a plagiarism suit - I doubt there really are any. The melody and the instrumental parts of "Blurred Lines" certainly are not the same as on the Gaye song. How this case will turn out will probabably determine whether similar cases will stand a chance in court in future. Personally I think it can lead to a complete disaster if you are allowed to sue due to songs having a similar "feel" or using the same basic ideas for instrumentation.

I'll still add that "Blurred Lines" is pretty awful and it obviously jacks ideas from the Gaye track. I just don't think it does it in a way that should be illegal.

So Pharrell got $5-Million, Robin got $5-Million and T.I. got ONLY $700,000....and Robin's Tour raked in $11-Million...Pay the Gaye Family..50% of all the earnings sounds about right to me.....

scorp84 said:

This is not about artistic integrity at all. You do not need musicologists to tell you that these songs aren't exactly the same. It's all about money. If this song wasn't the major hit it turned out to be, there would be no story here.

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I think what MAY hurt Robin & gang more than anything is his somewhat "confession" if you will...

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"The deposition turns even more strange once Thicke is forced to explain his many statements to the media about how Gaye has inspired him. For example, he once told GQmagazine, "Pharrell and I were in the studio and I told him that one of my favorite songs of all time was Marvin Gaye's 'Got to Give It Up.' I was like, 'Damn, we should make something like that, something with that groove.' Then he started playing a little something and we literally wrote the song in about a half hour and recorded it."

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Later he goes on to say that Pharrell literally wrote all of it himself....

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I think it's true that he probably wasn't there while Pharrell wrote and produced the song but he probably did give the reference to Marvin's "GTGIU" before Pharrell began working on it. This happens all the time in the creative process. Being that there's nothing new under the sun. Pharrell had an idea where his artist wanted to go with a song and ran with it.

novabrkr said:

laurarichardson said:

damacy said: It is called copyright infringement.

That will be decided by the court. There have been very few cases like this one where a song's production style is mimicked from another one and it's lead to a plagiarism suit - I doubt there really are any. The melody and the instrumental parts of "Blurred Lines" certainly are not the same as on the Gaye song. How this case will turn out will probabably determine whether similar cases will stand a chance in court in future. Personally I think it can lead to a complete disaster if you are allowed to sue due to songs having a similar "feel" or using the same basic ideas for instrumentation.

I'll still add that "Blurred Lines" is pretty awful and it obviously jacks ideas from the Gaye track. I just don't think it does it in a way that should be illegal.

Yeah. The song sucks ass and I think Thicke is one of the biggest douches on earth, but really, the fact that the children of a composer demand money for a song that sounds similar to a song which they had nothing to do with it's creation, where the only connection is, that they are the children of the composer is just sickening.

These money grubbing assholes really should just stfu and get lost. How does it affect them that Thicke and the people involved in the production of the song made a shitload of money??? How does it take money out of there pockets just because it sounds similar to a song their father wrote? They should just be fucking happy that their Father was a musician who's songs made millions of money and still continues to do so which enables them to never have to work a day in their lives.

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Chancellor said:

So Pharrell got $5-Million, Robin got $5-Million and T.I. got ONLY $700,000....and Robin's Tour raked in $11-Million...Pay the Gaye Family..50% of all the earnings sounds about right to me.....

ZERO to the Gaye family sounds about right to me. The court wouldn't let them play the recording, and they had to hand in sheet music. The sheet music is not alike at all, and that's how you determine infringement.

Musicslave said:

scorp84 said:

This is not about artistic integrity at all. You do not need musicologists to tell you that these songs aren't exactly the same. It's all about money. If this song wasn't the major hit it turned out to be, there would be no story here.

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I think what MAY hurt Robin & gang more than anything is his somewhat "confession" if you will...

-

"The deposition turns even more strange once Thicke is forced to explain his many statements to the media about how Gaye has inspired him. For example, he once told GQmagazine, "Pharrell and I were in the studio and I told him that one of my favorite songs of all time was Marvin Gaye's 'Got to Give It Up.' I was like, 'Damn, we should make something like that, something with that groove.' Then he started playing a little something and we literally wrote the song in about a half hour and recorded it."

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Later he goes on to say that Pharrell literally wrote all of it himself....

-

I think it's true that he probably wasn't there while Pharrell wrote and produced the song but he probably did give the reference to Marvin's "GTGIU" before Pharrell began working on it. This happens all the time in the creative process. Being that there's nothing new under the sun. Pharrell had an idea where his artist wanted to go with a song and ran with it.

Confession? This happens everyday of the week, especially for non-musicians who couldn't write an original song if it were tied 2 their back.

Graycap23 said:

Musicslave said:

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I think what MAY hurt Robin & gang more than anything is his somewhat "confession" if you will...

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"The deposition turns even more strange once Thicke is forced to explain his many statements to the media about how Gaye has inspired him. For example, he once told GQmagazine, "Pharrell and I were in the studio and I told him that one of my favorite songs of all time was Marvin Gaye's 'Got to Give It Up.' I was like, 'Damn, we should make something like that, something with that groove.' Then he started playing a little something and we literally wrote the song in about a half hour and recorded it."

-

Later he goes on to say that Pharrell literally wrote all of it himself....

-

I think it's true that he probably wasn't there while Pharrell wrote and produced the song but he probably did give the reference to Marvin's "GTGIU" before Pharrell began working on it. This happens all the time in the creative process. Being that there's nothing new under the sun. Pharrell had an idea where his artist wanted to go with a song and ran with it.

Confession? This happens everyday of the week, especially for non-musicians who couldn't write an original song if it were tied 2 their back.

PatrickS77 said:

novabrkr said:

That will be decided by the court. There have been very few cases like this one where a song's production style is mimicked from another one and it's lead to a plagiarism suit - I doubt there really are any. The melody and the instrumental parts of "Blurred Lines" certainly are not the same as on the Gaye song. How this case will turn out will probabably determine whether similar cases will stand a chance in court in future. Personally I think it can lead to a complete disaster if you are allowed to sue due to songs having a similar "feel" or using the same basic ideas for instrumentation.

I'll still add that "Blurred Lines" is pretty awful and it obviously jacks ideas from the Gaye track. I just don't think it does it in a way that should be illegal.

Yeah. The song sucks ass and I think Thicke is one of the biggest douches on earth, but really, the fact that the children of a composer demand money for a song that sounds similar to a song which they had nothing to do with it's creation, where the only connection is, that they are the children of the composer is just sickening.

These money grubbing assholes really should just stfu and get lost. How does it affect them that Thicke and the people involved in the production of the song made a shitload of money??? How does it take money out of there pockets just because it sounds similar to a song their father wrote? They should just be fucking happy that their Father was a musician who's songs made millions of money and still continues to do so which enables them to never have to work a day in their lives.

I agree.. influence doesn't equate to blatant copying. I more worry about it because it sets a precedence that others will follow. Your hit song sounds almost like something I once did? Let me sue you to see if I can a bunch of money out of you!

Listening to "Blurred Lines" I can't help but to hear the melodic hook and the bass line Gaye wrote for "Got to Give it Up". Perhaps it would have been advantageous for Robin and Pharrell to have settled this out of court.

Identity said:

Listening to "Blurred Lines" I can't help but to hear the melodic hook and the bass line Gaye wrote for "Got to Give it Up". Perhaps it would have been advantageous for Robin and Pharrell to have settled this out of court.

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I have to challenge you on this....which hook and bassline parts? Can you give a time reference for each where it matches?

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The whole darn thing!

i remember when i first heard blurred lines i made a thread on this site wondering if marvin gaye got any writing credit and alot of people said they didnt hear any similarities. on another note, thats alot of damn money made off one single.

Identity said:

The whole darn thing!

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I'm not sure that'll hold up in a court of law haha

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I still haven't seen anyone being able to point out a single phrase in these two songs that would have the same notes.

I've already read hundreds and hundreds of comments claiming that "Blurred Lines" is "a complete rip-off" and that Thicke / Pharrell "must pay up", but it's all just based on that "I hear some similarities myself, so these two things must be the same composition" fallacy. It's frightening in a sense, because people will jump into really big conclusions based on so very little.

The truth is that most people don't hear intervals between notes properly. Not even most people that have played an instrument themselves. It can be confusing especially if you play deep bass notes on an electric piano, like what's done on both compositions. With bass notes most people will make their judgments entirely on rhythmic similarities. You can't copyright that.

novabrkr said:

I still haven't seen anyone being able to point out a single phrase in these two songs that would have the same notes.

I've already read hundreds and hundreds of comments claiming that "Blurred Lines" is "a complete rip-off" and that Thicke / Pharrell "must pay up", but it's all just based on that "I hear some similarities myself, so these two things must be the same composition" fallacy. It's frightening in a sense, because people will jump into really big conclusions based on so very little.

The truth is that most people don't hear intervals between notes properly. Not even most people that have played an instrument themselves. It can be confusing especially if you play deep bass notes on an electric piano, like what's done on both compositions. With bass notes most people will make their judgments entirely on rhythmic similarities. You can't copyright that.

Songs are judged on the base of a composition:

the Bass.

Just as much as the melodies.

well im not a music expert, all i know is what i hear and anytime i hear that beginning to blurred lines im ready to start singing ....'i use to go out and parrrrrty'

novabrkr said:

I still haven't seen anyone being able to point out a single phrase in these two songs that would have the same notes.

I've already read hundreds and hundreds of comments claiming that "Blurred Lines" is "a complete rip-off" and that Thicke / Pharrell "must pay up", but it's all just based on that "I hear some similarities myself, so these two things must be the same composition" fallacy. It's frightening in a sense, because people will jump into really big conclusions based on so very little.

The truth is that most people don't hear intervals between notes properly. Not even most people that have played an instrument themselves. It can be confusing especially if you play deep bass notes on an electric piano, like what's done on both compositions. With bass notes most people will make their judgments entirely on rhythmic similarities. You can't copyright that.

Agreed. I don't hear any simiarlities really except in the groove, and if you could copyright a groove, popular music would have stopped after the 60s.

nayroo2002 said:

novabrkr said:

I still haven't seen anyone being able to point out a single phrase in these two songs that would have the same notes.

I've already read hundreds and hundreds of comments claiming that "Blurred Lines" is "a complete rip-off" and that Thicke / Pharrell "must pay up", but it's all just based on that "I hear some similarities myself, so these two things must be the same composition" fallacy. It's frightening in a sense, because people will jump into really big conclusions based on so very little.

The truth is that most people don't hear intervals between notes properly. Not even most people that have played an instrument themselves. It can be confusing especially if you play deep bass notes on an electric piano, like what's done on both compositions. With bass notes most people will make their judgments entirely on rhythmic similarities. You can't copyright that.

Songs are judged on the base of a composition:

the Bass.

Just as much as the melodies.

You've probably misunderstood my point.

Most people don't hear intervals properly at all in the lower registers, so that's something that will probably make them say the bass parts in those two songs "are the same". They're really not.

this was an all time hijacking from the opening gate, all the money should be given to the Marvin Gaye estate

the title of the song says it all.....

drug money or not,

Robin Thicke hijacked music from one of the all time luminaries and his career has been shot since

that was all time hijacking that took place

Scorp said:

scorp84 said:

Scorp said:

drug money or not,

Robin Thicke hijacked music from one of the all time luminaries and his career has been shot since

that was all time hijacking that took place

It really wasn't a "hijacking" of any kind. It was an homage to Marvin Gaye, sound-wise. It's possible to recreate a "sound" without copying musical notes and phrases. This is precisely why Chuck Brown didn't go after Pharrell for "Hot in Herre" (which was inspired by "Bustin' Loose"). Why didn't they go after Pharrell for "Give it 2 Me" for Madonna, which was inspired by the same Marvin Gaye song? Probably cuz it wasn't a smash hit. Marvin Gaye's estate, like every other music legend's estate, looks for any possible avenue to generate revenue. They struck gold, or "platinum" with a throwaway track written and produced by Pharrell Williams that just happened to become a major success. That's all this "saga" is about.

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One of you guys has hijacked the others stage name...

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nd33 said:

scorp84 said:

Scorp said: It really wasn't a "hijacking" of any kind. It was an homage to Marvin Gaye, sound-wise. It's possible to recreate a "sound" without copying musical notes and phrases. This is precisely why Chuck Brown didn't go after Pharrell for "Hot in Herre" (which was inspired by "Bustin' Loose"). Why didn't they go after Pharrell for "Give it 2 Me" for Madonna, which was inspired by the same Marvin Gaye song? Probably cuz it wasn't a smash hit. Marvin Gaye's estate, like every other music legend's estate, looks for any possible avenue to generate revenue. They struck gold, or "platinum" with a throwaway track written and produced by Pharrell Williams that just happened to become a major success. That's all this "saga" is about.

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One of you guys has hijacked the others stage name...

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Hmmm...I am low on funds right now. He will be hearing from my lawyers.

It's actually an offence to Marvin's songwriting, that "Blurred Lines" is getting sued for copyright infringement of GTGIU.

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GTGIU is far superior song writing in every way.

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If only there was a graphic notation comparison, like someone did for Sam Smith vs Tom Petty, which made it very easy to see which melodic parts over lapped....