starbelly said:

And yeah ATRL is nothing but a bunch of delusional teenage stans infested on it.

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No they were teenagers when TRL was on, now they're late 20s early 30s. ATRL is After TRL.

Hudson said:

Hudson said:

lezama said:

Actually Beyonce's never sold as much as any of them. Not really even close at this point.

That doesn't matter. They sold because of many pop hits and lack of internet piracy. I don't think they ever had so much star power as Beyonce.

Ok, lets take album/single sales out of the equation then and look at radio play charts. Again the answers the same, all three of the people you mention have had much bigger radio domination than Beyonce. If we look at worldwide touring success as well there's no one that comes anywhere close to Madonna. Not even in the same ballpark. Now if you still want to say that she's bigger than they were at their prime you'll have to come up with something pretty creative. Depending on your age, it may just be because you don't remember them in their primes.

She's such a huge deal without the radio domination. Celine's Taking Chances tour in 2009 was the 2nd biggest tour by a female artist ever at that time, was she a huge star in 2009 or just a legend? I have no idea about Beyonce's concert gross and countries she's toured but she doesn't need 4 number one hits a year to sell 40 dollar tickets like her younger contemporaries. My initial post was just the way I've been made to feel, not like I'm a huge Beyonce fan.

I had the "No, No, No (Part 2)" CD single, and in my consideration Beyonce didn't debut until 2003 with "Crazy In Love". I'm a fan enough that it bugs me I can't type the accent on the e when I post.

MotownSubdivision said:

Speaking of overrated, Meghan Trainor says Beyonce is the most talented artist ever: Seriously Meg? [Edited 2/15/15 14:57pm] [Edited 2/15/15 14:58pm]

THAT^ is exactly what happens when parents AND grandparents are never available to remind with children of their music history. So far, it's not Meghan's fault per se that she has no idea that Beyonce is a clone of Tina Turner & Miss. Diana Ross.

phillymonster said:

Great article on why a Beyonce backlash is brewing. I always liked Beyonce, but she is becoming completely overrated. It's like she is paying media outlets to hype her up.

I agree with THAT^ article. But I've seen the warning signs of a potential backlash ever since Beyonce was acknowledge as the female artist of the 2000's.

Hudson said:

Regardless of how you feel about her music or talent, it feels like she's a bigger star today than Whitney, Madonna, and Mariah at their height.

Naw. Not true at all.

1sotrue said:

Hudson said:

Regardless of how you feel about her music or talent, it feels like she's a bigger star today than Whitney, Madonna, and Mariah at their height.

Social media plays a big role in her hype. This generation will shoot you down faster than a F-16 if you dare criticize her.

And my two words to THAT generation with that kind of a negative attitude: F*** Them!

A couple of years ago, I had two threads where I ask my fellow orgers how much more did Beyonce had to do to be consider on the same level as Madonna. If I remember correctly, people (including Madonna fans) were saying at the time that Bey wasn't no where close to M's international level. Keep in mind, that discussion was in the late 2000's. And here we are in 2015 where Beyonce's music career backlash might ruin her chances of having the staying power that Madonna currently has.

missfee said:

Hudson said:

Regardless of how you feel about her music or talent, it feels like she's a bigger star today than Whitney, Madonna, and Mariah at their height.

Naw. Not true at all.

More of a media darling, but no way more popular than Madonna.

mancabdriver said:

MusicAddict95 said:

mancabdriver said:

More of a media darling, but no way more popular than Madonna.

And a music industry darling. There is NO WAY that she has deserved/earned 17 grammys. Not that the Grammy's are taken seriously, but I believe her father's on the committee.

She's all hype and pays off the media to keep her "relevant". The only people who like her music are mindless types who wouldn't know originality if it jumped up and bit them.

SeventeenDayze said:

The only people who like her music are mindless types

MickyDolenz said:

SeventeenDayze said:

The only people who like her music are mindless types

Do you honestly think any celeb would openly admit that they DON'T like the work of another artist? Give me a break.

SeventeenDayze said:

Do you honestly think any celeb would openly admit that they DON'T like the work of another artist? Give me a break.

Sure they do. Keith Richards, Elton John, James Brown, Frank Sinatra, Bette Davis, Joan Crawford, John Ford, and many others have put down others work. George Harrison said Led Zeppelin was rubbish and that the Spice Girls were good to look at with the sound turned off.

MickyDolenz said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Do you honestly think any celeb would openly admit that they DON'T like the work of another artist? Give me a break.

Sure they do. Keith Richards, Elton John, James Brown, Frank Sinatra, Bette Davis, Joan Crawford, John Ford, and many others have put down others work. George Harrison said Led Zeppelin was rubbish and that the Spice Girls were good to look at with the sound turned off.

That is the exception and not the rule. Why would any of the folks that you posted say anything bad about her openly? I was mostly referring to her FAN BASE that's made up of chicks who are pretty much "basic" and have no intellectual depth.

SeventeenDayze said:

MickyDolenz said:

Sure they do. Keith Richards, Elton John, James Brown, Frank Sinatra, Bette Davis, Joan Crawford, John Ford, and many others have put down others work. George Harrison said Led Zeppelin was rubbish and that the Spice Girls were good to look at with the sound turned off.

That is the exception and not the rule.

Exactly right.

Aretha and Etta James sure didn't mind keeping it real when it came to how they felt about Beyonce.

starbelly said:

SeventeenDayze said:

MickyDolenz said:

Do you honestly think any celeb would openly admit that they DON'T like the work of another artist? Give me a break.

THANK YOU

Just because she has taken photos with legendary singers doesn't mean they sit around their house blasting Drunk in Love or Bow Down Bitches

These people might think she is "talented" but I highly doubt they are fan of her music and material, c'mon. NOBODY is not going to publicly say your music sucks unless you are Chuck D or Jimmy Jam who don't give a f have both called out Beyonce for her lack luster material. Don't be fooled by the smoke and mirrors.

starbelly said:

Aretha and Etta James sure didn't mind keeping it real when it came to how they felt about Beyonce.

Jimmy Jam and Chuck D have openly called her out too. I think there are more celebrities than what we think who don't care for Beyonce and find her overrated but they don't say anything or choose to beat about the bush i.e. Annie Lennox (who called Beyonce out but then made a nice statement towards the end after she basically criticized Beyonce ) I know ya'll "think" Prince adores Beyonce but I doubt it. He might think she is talented but I HIGHLY doubt that man blasts Drunk in Love at his house Lol. Prince adores Janelle Monae and respects REAL artists

Hudson said:

Regardless of how you feel about her music or talent, it feels like she's a bigger star today than Whitney, Madonna, and Mariah at their height.

Ooof, I was there for Madonna in 85 and 90, Whitney in 92, (and I sort of missed the Mariah boat), and I love Beyonce. No, it really doesn't feel that way at all.

mjscarousal said:

starbelly said:

Aretha and Etta James sure didn't mind keeping it real when it came to how they felt about Beyonce.

Jimmy Jam and Chuck D have openly called her out too. I think there are more celebrities than what we think who don't care for Beyonce and find her overrated but they don't say anything or choose to beat about the bush i.e. Annie Lennox (who called Beyonce out but then made a nice statement towards the end after she basically criticized Beyonce ) I know ya'll "think" Prince adores Beyonce but I doubt it. He might think she is talented but I HIGHLY doubt that man blasts Drunk in Love at his house Lol. Prince adores Janelle Monae and respects REAL artists

Until recently, Chuck D was a fan of Beyonce. I'm thinking Professor Griff has FINALLY been successful in showing Chuck everything that is wrong about Beyonce.