I've got the "Wildcard! Jokers Edition" cd and know there was another version too which is just called 'Wildcard' & has a slightly different track listing. So was wondering, despite some different songs etc. are there any noticable differences between the two?. Such as different sound production/mastering, different (maybe longer) versions of the songs on both albums etc. Such as I know as example, for Eric Benet's 'Spanish Fly' from "Better & Better" (unreleased album) is different to the one on 'Love & Life'.

thetimefan said:

I've got the "Wildcard! Jokers Edition" cd and know there was another version too which is just called 'Wildcard' & has a slightly different track listing. So was wondering, despite some different songs etc. are there any noticable differences between the two?. Such as different sound production/mastering, different (maybe longer) versions of the songs on both albums etc. Such as I know as example, for Eric Benet's 'Spanish Fly' from "Better & Better" (unreleased album) is different to the one on 'Love & Life'.

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I don't know but that was the last Sananda record I bought and it was divine

I think the only real difference is the track listing - and on that basis I'd probably recommend going for the Joker's Edition version, as it has the excellent What Shall I Do? on it. Testify is also good. Sadly, it meant he left off Love, Can You Hear Me? to make room for those. Maybe try and pick it that one up as an individual track.

I also like some of the outtakes he was making available around that time, such as Some Birds Blue, Mona Lisa Laughing, and New World Forming. A couple of them are freely available via his site. It was a good time for him creatively, I think.

OK thanks. Yep I have the Jokers Edition already and 'What Shall I Do' is one of Sananda's best songs IMO. IIRC Some Birds Blue is on the Jokers edition too.

I think only the track lists are different.

There were actually three different versions of it (for some reason the wikipedia page doesn't list them all). The first one was the free download version that you could get from his website.

It had two songs that aren't on the CD releases: "Girl" and "Paradise Postponed". The download version ended with "Paradise Postponed" instead of "Benediction: Sugar Ray" (which wasn't on it at all). A few other tracks were missing from it as well, although I'm not sure anymore which ones they were (I gave away the CD-R I had it on when I bought the official release on CD). I don't think, "SRR 636" and "Goodbye Diane" from the regular CD version were on it (I'm more certain about the latter than the former, as it might have been "Drivin' Me Crazy" instead of "SRR 636"). "Testify" wasn't there either. None of the "new" songs from the Joker's Edition were there, for that matter.

btw, "What Shall I Do" was a B-side from the Symphony Or Damn days. A bit strange inclusion, although I do like it myself. "Some Birds Blue" was originally a free download from his website.

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There is a revelling in the sheer awesomeness of this album, which bespeaks TTD/Sananda's exceptional talent for songcraft and production. I have the Jokers edition, which I was fortune to find at a local Best Buy many years back.

just buy em both

novabrkr said:

I think only the track lists are different.

There were actually three different versions of it (for some reason the wikipedia page doesn't list them all). The first one was the free download version that you could get from his website.

It had two songs that aren't on the CD releases: "Girl" and "Paradise Postponed". The download version ended with "Paradise Postponed" instead of "Benediction: Sugar Ray" (which wasn't on it at all). A few other tracks were missing from it as well, although I'm not sure anymore which ones they were (I gave away the CD-R I had it on when I bought the official release on CD). I don't think, "SRR 636" and "Goodbye Diane" from the regular CD version were on it (I'm more certain about the latter than the former, as it might have been "Drivin' Me Crazy" instead of "SRR 636"). "Testify" wasn't there either. None of the "new" songs from the Joker's Edition were there, for that matter.

btw, "What Shall I Do" was a B-side from the Symphony Or Damn days. A bit strange inclusion, although I do like it myself. "Some Birds Blue" was originally a free download from his website.

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Girl is definitely on my Joker's edition CD and are you sure you're not confusing What Shall I Do with Perfumed Pavillion (The Motion Of My Memories) which is quite similar and also an excellent song?

Oh, sorry. I missed "Girl" being on Joker's Edition. It's not on the regular edition.

I'm not mixing up "What Shall I Do" with "Perfumed Pavillion" (yes, an excellent song). Now I have just trouble figuring out when did "What Shall I Do" come out originally. I think I had the song for years before the Joker's Edition came out. I had taped it from a friend, so I always assumed it had been a B-side from one of the CD singles he had. There were so many different versions of the single releases that it's hard to keep track of them. It's possible that it was just one of the free downloads he had back in the day and not a B-side. It's also possible that my memory is simply playing tricks on me (I might be actually mixing it up with "Survivor"). It doesn't sound like a track from the Wildcard days to me anyway.

novabrkr said:

It's possible that it was just one of the free downloads he had back in the day and not a B-side.

From what I remember, it's this.

If I'm not wrong WSID was available as a free download around the release of the first CD version of Wildcard and it was subsequently included as an album track in the "Joker's Edition".

By the way, it was also released as a single (I have the CD single with the Album and Edit Versions and "Mona Lisa's Laughing" as b-side).

I do know Shalom is a fucking masterpiece.

I'd assume the CD release of Wildcard could possibly have been the one which was free at one point on Sananda's website. This is what he says about the Jokers Edition version:

Yeah, it seems more likely that What Shall I Do comes from the same time frame when he was recording Wildcard', unless Sananda originally wrote it during the 'Symphony Or Damn ' period and decided to release it at a later date.

2freaky4church1 said:

I do know Shalom is a fucking masterpiece.

x2 love that track

2freaky4church1 said:

I do know Shalom is a fucking masterpiece.

This!!!!!!

2002 release(Newest version)

1. O Divina – 4:17

2. Designated Fool (D'Arby, Schack, Karlin) – 4:05

3. My Dark Places – 4:12

4. The Inner Scream (D'Arby, Ballard) – 4:22

5. SRR 636* – 3:44

6. Drivin' Me Crazy (D'Arby, Austin) – 3:20

7. Suga Free – 3:52

8. What Shall I Do? – 5:11

9. Testify – 4:53

10. Shalom – 3:44

11. Girl – 3:57

12. Ev'rythang – 3:29

13. Sweetness – 3:10

14. Some Birds Blue – 3:32

15. Be Willing – 3:36

16. Goodbye Diane – 4:37

17. ...And They Will Never Know – 3:09

18. Sayin' About You – 3:35

19. Shadows (D'Arby, Ballard) – 4:22

2001 Japanese release

All songs written by Terence Trent D'Arby, except where noted.

1. O Divina – 4:17

2. Designated Fool (D'Arby, Carsten Schack, Kenneth Karlin) – 4:12

3. My Dark Places – 4:06

4. The Inner Scream (D'Arby, Glen Ballard) – 4:24

5. SRR 636* – 3:43

6. Drivin' Me Crazy (D'Arby, Dallas Austin) – 3:21

7. Suga Free – 3:52

8. Shalom – 3:43

9. Ev'rythang – 3:32

10. Love Can You Hear Me? – 3:19

11. Sweetness – 3:13

12. Reflecting – 3:26

13. Be Willing – 3:36

14. Goodbye Diane – 4:37

15. ...And They Will Never Know – 3:13

16. Sayin' About You – 3:49

17. Shadows (D'Arby, Ballard) – 4:18

18. Benediction: Sugar Ray – 3:25

19. Testify (Japan only bonus track) – 5:00

It's on ebay if you want it: http://www.ebay.com/itm/T...3aa0b00f8a

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thetimefan said:

There were actually three different versions of it (for some reason the wikipedia page doesn't list them all). The first one was the free download version that you could get from his website.

I'd assume the CD release of Wildcard could possibly have been the one which was free at one point on Sananda's website. This is what he says about the Jokers Edition version:

If I'm not wrong WSID was available as a free download around the release of the first CD version of Wildcard and it was subsequently included as an album track in the "Joker's Edition".

By the way, it was also released as a single (I have the CD single with the Album and Edit Versions and "Mona Lisa's Laughing" as b-side).

Yeah, it seems more likely that What Shall I Do comes from the same time frame when he was recording Wildcard', unless Sananda originally wrote it during the 'Symphony Or Damn ' period and decided to release it at a later date.

The free download version of Wildcard was not the same as the version he put out on CD.

I finally found the tracklist for that version (it took a while - strange that it isn't even on Wikipedia).

It had these sixteen tracks on it:

O Divina
Designated Fool
My Dark Places
The Inner Scream
SRR 636
Suga Free
Shalom
Girl
Everythang
Love Can You Hear Me
Sweetness
Sayin' About You
Be Willing
... And They Will Never Know
Shadows
Paradise Postponed

I still seem to have "Girl" and "Paradise Postponed" as mp3s from it (I've erased the rest as they're the same as on the CD version). "Girl" is tagged as track 8 and "Paradise Postponed as track 16.

The CD came out much later. The sales must have been marginal (shame, there's a lot of good music on it).

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Farfunknugin said:

2freaky4church1 said:

I do know Shalom is a fucking masterpiece.

x2 love that track

x31

That song and "Girl"...

[Edited 2/13/15 7:01am]

The free download version of Wildcard was not the same as the version he put out on CD.

I finally found the tracklist for that version (it took a while - strange that it isn't even on Wikipedia).

It had these sixteen tracks on it:

O Divina
Designated Fool
My Dark Places
The Inner Scream
SRR 636
Suga Free
Shalom
Girl
Everythang
Love Can You Hear Me
Sweetness
Sayin' About You
Be Willing
... And They Will Never Know
Shadows
Paradise Postponed

I still seem to have "Girl" and "Paradise Postponed" as mp3s from it (I've erased the rest as they're the same as on the CD version). "Girl" is tagged as track 8 and "Paradise Postponed as track 16.

The CD came out much later. The sales must have been marginal (shame, there's a lot of good music on it).

[Edited 2/12/15 23:01pm]

OK thanks, I must have assumed wrongly then I found this on Sananda's site which is the evolution of Wildcard here: http://www.sanandamaitrey...dcard.html and it was originally titled Solar Return & according to the link, would have had 27 songs (so most likely a double album release back then). Interestingly, the majority of Wildcard's songs do date back to 1998 like 'Some Birds Blue' which was released on the Jokers Edition.

The links to the free songs aren't working now, but I think if you sign up to Sananda's website they are available under the free downloads section. Also found that 'Paradise Postponed' is on the new Sananda album, not sure if it's the same version as on 'Wildcard' download edition though.

[Edited 2/13/15 12:41pm]

This is what the track listing for Solar Return would have looked like:

1. Sweetness

2. ...And They Will Never Know

3. Be Willing

4. Designated Fool

5. Designated Fool (2)

6. Drivin´ Me Crazy

7. Ev´rythang

8. Girl

9. Glad She´s Gone

10. Goodbye Diane

11. Hail Mary

12. Love Can You Hear Me?

13. My Dark Places

14. My Dark Places (2)

15. New World Forming

16. O Divina

17. Paradise Postponed

18. Reflecting

19. Sayin´ About You

20. Shadows

21. Shalom

22. Some Birds Blue

23. SRR-636

24. Suga Free

25. The Birds Are Singing

26. The Inner Scream

27. Yes You

Also from what I've read, it went through some different configurations too so it's possible some other songs were part of 'Solar Return' and the track listing above is for the completed version. The other extra songs are all available apparently & it's only 'Yes You' which has (as yet) been released on the different versions Wildcard! or as a free download.

Maybe "Yes You" is just an outro track that do not really qualify as a song (or even as music).

It's apparent to me that most of the "more professional sounding" stuff he put out in the 00s was still recorded under the Sony contract. Sony must have financed the recording process for those songs and they must have been pretty old by that point. Maybe he didn't record anything for years, before he decided to do it all on his own. The first things he released only as "Sananda" (and not as "Terence Trent D'Arby / Sananda Maitreya") were pretty sketchy, like he had lost his ability to do professional-level stuff.

Could be. I think Sananda had a similar legal situation with Sony for 6-7 years, similar to the one like George Michael had (& also like Prince with WB) where they kept him signed under contract when he wanted to leave.Although he signed with a new label in 1996. There's an interview with him here url=http://www.sanandamaitreya.com/interviews/times_online.html]here[/url] about it.

Much of "Wildcard" seems likely to have been sourced from Solar Return, but I think that was on Java Records. Although it seems more than likely that the songs he recorded were whilst he was with Sony. From what I've read, Sananda took the album to Java Records if I'm correct. Then when that didn't work out, he released them independently.

One of my favourite albums ever, all 3 released versions of it

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is there in fact an unrelased album recorded in 1991? ...not solar tracks...

NFNF was released in '89 and Symphony or Damn was 93 so there is a possibility that Sananda could have recorded an album during that time period which was unreleased by Sony at the time. I'd make a guess that the songs which weren't released probably would have ended up being on the Symphony or Damn album.