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Thread started 02/14/15 3:27pm

Pokeno4Money

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Who really wrote the first Rap Ballad? LL or TLR?


In honor of Valentines Day, which was the first Rap Ballad?



Most people younger than 50 think it's this 1987 song:




But 7 years earlier, there was this:


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Reply #1 posted 02/15/15 2:34am

nextedition

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LL of course

They other one I don´t know, but i doesn´t sound like a ballad at all.

LL was the first single i bought actually worship

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Reply #2 posted 02/15/15 10:33am

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Technically not raps, but how about these

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #3 posted 02/15/15 7:42pm

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Gil Scott heron
FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent.
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Reply #4 posted 02/15/15 9:16pm

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Whodini's One Love dropped a year before LL Cool J I Need Love

Also UTFO's Where Did You Go

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Reply #5 posted 02/16/15 9:58am

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Reply #6 posted 02/16/15 10:08am

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^^Is that the same Moments as Ray, Goodman, & Brown? I didn't know they did anything for Sugarhill

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Most of the rappers used to strictly make 12 Inch singles which were mainly fast jams. The few that actually made an album, usually had a slow song or two on them and I remember most of them being sung rather than rapped. Most of them didn't sound worth a damn but this one stood out and was pretty good and actually got a lot of airplay.

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Reply #8 posted 02/16/15 12:08pm

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Cinny said:

Oh my God, I haven't heard that one since it was popular. Gotta download that one. lol

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The term rap was totally different back then though. Back then, if you rapped to someone, you held a conversation with them. And in music, the rap part of a song was the part where folks like Millie Jackson or Betty Wright broke it down and talked.

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Reply #9 posted 02/17/15 7:26am

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MickyDolenz said:

^^Is that the same Moments as Ray, Goodman, & Brown? I didn't know they did anything for Sugarhill

nod Yes, it is. Makes sense that they followed Miss Rob over to her new label, as they often collaborated with her, right?

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Reply #10 posted 02/17/15 7:42am

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Cinny said:

MickyDolenz said:

^^Is that the same Moments as Ray, Goodman, & Brown? I didn't know they did anything for Sugarhill

nod Yes, it is. Makes sense that they followed Miss Rob over to her new label, as they often collaborated with her, right?

But weren't they already Ray, Goodman, and Brown when Sugarhill Records came around? I have their album with Special Lady on it and it's on Polydor. The group lost the name The Moments to their earlier label, who said they owned it. That's why they changed the group name to the members names. Similar to Jackson 5/Jacksons & The Time/Original 7ven.

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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MickyDolenz said:

Cinny said:

nod Yes, it is. Makes sense that they followed Miss Rob over to her new label, as they often collaborated with her, right?

But weren't they already Ray, Goodman, and Brown when Sugarhill Records came around? I have their album with Special Lady on it and it's on Polydor. The group lost the name The Moments to their earlier label, who said they owned it. That's why they changed the group name to the members names. Similar to Jackson 5/Jacksons & The Time/Original 7ven.

But not when they recorded with Sylvia (Sugar Hill Records). She's who they lost their name to.

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Reply #12 posted 02/17/15 8:24am

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vainandy said:

Most of the rappers used to strictly make 12 Inch singles which were mainly fast jams. The few that actually made an album, usually had a slow song or two on them and I remember most of them being sung rather than rapped. Most of them didn't sound worth a damn but this one stood out and was pretty good and actually got a lot of airplay.


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I didn't remember this one getting play but I know Where Did You Go got airplay.
It was the followup to We Work Hard. One of their members was actually in jail at the time that's why there were only 3 on this cover instead of 4.
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Reply #13 posted 02/17/15 9:54am

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I am actually more leaning towards giving the Force M.C.s the credit as they sang-rapped a lot of their routines in the bootleg cassette tape era (early 80s), and transformed on wax into a full-on singing group with "Tears", "Forgive Me Girl", and "Let Me Love You" in 1984.

Here they are interpolating Jackson 5's "I'll Be There" with new lyrics

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Reply #14 posted 02/17/15 10:09am

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vainandy said:

Cinny said:

Oh my God, I haven't heard that one since it was popular. Gotta download that one. lol

I am so glad to have helped you with that! I actually really love that track, so if you haven't already found it, hit me up!

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