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Reply #30 posted 01/19/15 10:56am

mjscarousal

Scorp said:

mjscarousal said:

I love Angela Bassett as an actress but she was very disrespectful to direct this movie knowing the Houston's were against it. How can you create a biopic movie about someone without the family's involvement? I didn't watch this movie because based on the previews I knew it was going to be full of media sensational lies because that is pretty much all the previews show. Ain't no way in hell, Bobby Brown turned down pussy or crack get the hell out of here with that bull crap!!! The producers and Angela ran to Bobby with those lies. Its sad because Whitney's young fans will believe that movie as the truth. Whitney deserves better!!! She deserves an expensive high budget movie about her life. A bio pic is suppose to tell a story about someone's life, childhood, accomplishments, struggles etc. It is not suppose to be "entertaining" and exploitive . I did watch the live Whitney performances though. One word, AMAZING. There will NEVER be another Whitney! God bless you Whitney!

I agree 150%.......never should have made it....it never highlighted the beginning of her career, which was absolutely magfnificent

the Jackson's American Dream Movie was as good as it gets, exceptional, family produced and directed....totally different level

Whitney, the greatest female vocalist of all time...bar none....

Thanks, agree!

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Reply #31 posted 01/19/15 11:57am

FanofMusic84

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1contessa said:

Let's face it, Whitney's family, the record company, Clive Davis, and even Whitney herself, had us all fooled as to the person she truly was. The first time that I started to see the real Whitney, was during the taping of Being Bobby Brown, otherwise I would still be thinking that Whitney was the good girl, princess that her record company, family, and everyone else involved in her career, wanted us to believe she was. Every time that the media reported on her drug problems, her camp would deny it and say that it was a lie, and come to find out, it was not a lie, but the truth. People have blamed Bobby Brown for years, and many still do, for Whitney's drug use, but that was a lie also. Now we all know that Whitney was doing drugs long before Bobby came into her life, and her own brother admitted on Oprah that it was he that started her with the drugs. Like it or not, Whitney was no angel or princess, and she loved Bobby Brown for the man that he was. Maybe that's because deep down, that she knew that she was no better or different of a person, than he was. Her mom and record company may have wanted her to be the sweet, innocent princess pop star that they tried to create her to be, but Whitney knew that-that image really wasn't her, the real Whitney Houston. Obviously, there was something going on in her life that she couldn't deal with even before meeting and marrying Bobby Brown, because she was doing drugs before that time, and a person just doesn't do drugs for the fun of it, they do it because there's an issue inside of them somewhere that they aren't dealing or coping with.

I never believed Bobby Brown was the reason Whitney was using substance....I never ever believed that

I never viewed her as a goody too shoes, picture perfect

the problem was that everyone else was who was associated w/her career in terms of the image they wanted her to project rather than just simply allowing her to showcase her talent as a vocalist.......that was the problem and Clive was a big part of the problem in that in the beginning when she released her debut single YOU GIVE GOOD LOVE in 1985.......he advised her to refrain from conducting any interviews w/urban radio even when the urban audience, black people was the primary support, fast forward 4 years later, that career advice led to a backlash at the 1989 Sout Train Awards where she was booed, because her record company left her in a position that led that initial audience to conclude she wanted to crossover exclusively.......

and after she was booed, she cried like there was no tomorrow and I'm sure that incident alone triggered, or intensified her use of substance

along w/that, when Whitney gave word she did not want to be America's princess, then commercial media AND urban media started questioning her sexuality

so now she found herself ostracized by both fronts and I always believed during the time she started her relationship w/Bobby Brown, Brown was the #1 R&B artist in the country, that Whitney started that relationship, a primary reason why was in hopes of improving her stance w/the black audience (record buyers), when it wasn't even her fault why she found herself having to improve that association, and I'm sure Brown picked up on that

if they really want to make a true biopic, they need to include all of this too and I'm sure that the public will find that dynamic more troubling than her relationship/marriage with Bobby Brown

its' easy to dump on Bobby Brown and make him the scapegoat.....

Debut album was promoted on black radio worldwide. The sophmore album was too pop, released pop singles, r&b record were on the bside. Didn't garner interest on black radio. Soul train awarded Whitney with 1988 best female performer, by 1989 people were tired of witnessing her clean up every award show. She was too perfect. too prissy. Criticisms of she is too pop, tooo white followed. Her records were promoted for worldwide audience, black performers were promoting on black radio, not exclusively to black radio. She was promoted everywhere. She was too critcized, leading to insecurities.

Bobby Brown isn't a scapegoat. He howver, took a lot out of Whitney.

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Reply #32 posted 01/19/15 11:59am

FanofMusic84

It was disenguious in its viewoint of Bobby Brown, who entered into the relationship as a cocaine using, alcoholic.

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Reply #33 posted 01/19/15 12:29pm

Scorp

FanofMusic84 said:

Scorp said:

I never believed Bobby Brown was the reason Whitney was using substance....I never ever believed that

I never viewed her as a goody too shoes, picture perfect

the problem was that everyone else was who was associated w/her career in terms of the image they wanted her to project rather than just simply allowing her to showcase her talent as a vocalist.......that was the problem and Clive was a big part of the problem in that in the beginning when she released her debut single YOU GIVE GOOD LOVE in 1985.......he advised her to refrain from conducting any interviews w/urban radio even when the urban audience, black people was the primary support, fast forward 4 years later, that career advice led to a backlash at the 1989 Sout Train Awards where she was booed, because her record company left her in a position that led that initial audience to conclude she wanted to crossover exclusively.......

and after she was booed, she cried like there was no tomorrow and I'm sure that incident alone triggered, or intensified her use of substance

along w/that, when Whitney gave word she did not want to be America's princess, then commercial media AND urban media started questioning her sexuality

so now she found herself ostracized by both fronts and I always believed during the time she started her relationship w/Bobby Brown, Brown was the #1 R&B artist in the country, that Whitney started that relationship, a primary reason why was in hopes of improving her stance w/the black audience (record buyers), when it wasn't even her fault why she found herself having to improve that association, and I'm sure Brown picked up on that

if they really want to make a true biopic, they need to include all of this too and I'm sure that the public will find that dynamic more troubling than her relationship/marriage with Bobby Brown

its' easy to dump on Bobby Brown and make him the scapegoat.....

Debut album was promoted on black radio worldwide. The sophmore album was too pop, released pop singles, r&b record were on the bside. Didn't garner interest on black radio. Soul train awarded Whitney with 1988 best female performer, by 1989 people were tired of witnessing her clean up every award show. She was too perfect. too prissy. Criticisms of she is too pop, tooo white followed. Her records were promoted for worldwide audience, black performers were promoting on black radio, not exclusively to black radio. She was promoted everywhere. She was too critcized, leading to insecurities.

Bobby Brown isn't a scapegoat. He howver, took a lot out of Whitney.

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exactly......and those insecurities struck from being criticized by both fronts where one front wanted her to be something that she wasn't and the other side accused her of being something that she wasn't trying to be....two viewpoints juxtaposing each other, leading to combustion

media say their marriage was hollywood's most dysfunctional, but never mentions all the dysfunction it causes

yeah, their marriage had ups and downs, yeah there was static....they both acknowledged that

but really their marriage in of itself wasn't the real issue as to why media keep bringing it up......

it was about mainstream media wanted her to be America's Princess...she never wanted to be that

the real issue is that mainstream media was miffed when she married a man who was black

if she would have married Wesley Snipes, they would have reacted in similar fashion

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Reply #34 posted 01/19/15 1:04pm

KCOOLMUZIQ

Angela Bassett did a good job! Finally telling a story that showed what Bobby had to go through. Who has ALWAYS been painted as a villain in the whole "Whitney & Bobby show". I felt sorry for him. I wish Angela would have filmed a scene that showed Whitney getting booed at the "Soul Train Awards". I attended that decades ago. But I guess she wanted to show more positives then negatives. My only criticism is she should have named the movie "Whitney & Bobby". It definitely focused more on Bobby's side of the story..

The after interview, Bobby showed a lot of respect toward Whitney. Even going as far as lying to cover up some negative things about both of them. Shaun Robinson asked some very questions.

Does Bobby remember writing a tell all book about Whitney that revealed EVERYTHING?

Overall I give the movie a B-

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Reply #35 posted 01/19/15 9:52pm

FanofMusic84

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Angela Bassett did a good job! Finally telling a story that showed what Bobby had to go through. Who has ALWAYS been painted as a villain in the whole "Whitney & Bobby show". I felt sorry for him. I wish Angela would have filmed a scene that showed Whitney getting booed at the "Soul Train Awards". I attended that decades ago. But I guess she wanted to show more positives then negatives. My only criticism is she should have named the movie "Whitney & Bobby". It definitely focused more on Bobby's side of the story..

The after interview, Bobby showed a lot of respect toward Whitney. Even going as far as lying to cover up some negative things about both of them. Shaun Robinson asked some very questions.

Does Bobby remember writing a tell all book about Whitney that revealed EVERYTHING?

Overall I give the movie a B-

The film is good, albeit innacurate in various aspects; specifically Bobby's very own affinity to cocaine,weed, liquor b4 life with Whitney. I suppose they made him the good boy, in reality his character has been offputting since New Edition days. Success at early age coupled with immaturity created a monster. By appearance Bobby is maturing as a middle aged man. Both faced hardships, Bobby of his own doing.

Ya never know with Bobby, either he is telling full truths or flat fabrications. His post movie interview appeared more genuine than boook.

Whitney is in need of an accurate biopic.

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Reply #36 posted 01/21/15 5:08pm

kibbles

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I thought the movie was weak with a few LMAO moments that I don't think were meant to be funny. The movie did make me want to revisit a couple of Bobby's albums though. Also the title should had been called "Bobby & Whitney: The Love Affair" or something along those lines. I love Angela Bassett but she and Whitney weren't close friends, they only met and acquainted while they were working on "Waiting to Exhale"..so how does that qualify her to make a movie on the woman's marriage based on assumptions???? I hardly believe that if Whitney was alive that she would had been pleased with this project. And no I don't side with the Houston family at all b/c Whitney wasn't even lukewarm in the ground yet before they signed up for some dumbass reality show. I give the movie 1 star out of 5. I also watched the interview with Bobby Brown and although I'm glad that he's finally had a chance to tell his side, at the same time, I feel like he could have passed on the interview. [Edited 1/19/15 10:59am] [Edited 1/19/15 11:00am]

i think that's exactly what it should have been called. i don't mind the producers exploring whitney's 'dark' side; however making bobby out to be this 'angel' by comparison is ridiculous to those of us who witnessed their relationship from the beginning. i would have liked to see more about her, before bobby, the hard climb of her beginnings. like everyone else, i wonder why they didn't show what really else happened at the soul train awards. how did it feel to be booed by her own people? did that play into her decision to run away from that image of the pop princess? maybe it would have helped if they had had a more compelling actress play whitney, and it didn't help that debra cox couldn't quite capture the magic that was in whitney's voice. i watched the greatest performances special after the film and that was far more compelling than anything bassett did.

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Reply #37 posted 01/21/15 6:10pm

1contessa

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Angela Bassett did a good job! Finally telling a story that showed what Bobby had to go through. Who has ALWAYS been painted as a villain in the whole "Whitney & Bobby show". I felt sorry for him. I wish Angela would have filmed a scene that showed Whitney getting booed at the "Soul Train Awards". I attended that decades ago. But I guess she wanted to show more positives then negatives. My only criticism is she should have named the movie "Whitney & Bobby". It definitely focused more on Bobby's side of the story..

The after interview, Bobby showed a lot of respect toward Whitney. Even going as far as lying to cover up some negative things about both of them. Shaun Robinson asked some very questions.

Does Bobby remember writing a tell all book about Whitney that revealed EVERYTHING?

Overall I give the movie a B-

In the after interview with Shaun Robinson, my heart went out to Bobby, even though I know that in

answer to some of the questions, that he wasn't being completely honest. But like you said, he did show a lot of respect towards Whitney's memory. I just feel for the guy, especially when he said that he was not the bad person that many think he is. I don't think he's a bad person either. Like most blacks, Bobby grew up in the hood, and didn't have an easy life. My God, he saw his best friend killed in front of him! That alone would cause tremendous emotional troubles. On top of that, some blamed him for getting Whitney on drugs and that just wasn't true. They pretended that Whitney was this good girl, and that he was the bad boy that ruined her life. That wasn't true either. Many, including myself, saw the real Whitney during the taping of Being Bobby Brown, and she wasn't the good girl, pop princess that many wanted you to believe she was. Yes, Whitney had an amazing, God given voice, but she was also a flawed human being, as we all are....she wasn't perfect, and neither was Bobby, but it was Bobby who got the blame, and for that I felt sorry for the guy, because he really didn't deserve it. It was good seeing Bobby on the after show, he looks well. I prayed that he stays that way.

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Reply #38 posted 01/21/15 6:51pm

KCOOLMUZIQ

1contessa said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Angela Bassett did a good job! Finally telling a story that showed what Bobby had to go through. Who has ALWAYS been painted as a villain in the whole "Whitney & Bobby show". I felt sorry for him. I wish Angela would have filmed a scene that showed Whitney getting booed at the "Soul Train Awards". I attended that decades ago. But I guess she wanted to show more positives then negatives. My only criticism is she should have named the movie "Whitney & Bobby". It definitely focused more on Bobby's side of the story..

The after interview, Bobby showed a lot of respect toward Whitney. Even going as far as lying to cover up some negative things about both of them. Shaun Robinson asked some very questions.

Does Bobby remember writing a tell all book about Whitney that revealed EVERYTHING?

Overall I give the movie a B-

In the after interview with Shaun Robinson, my heart went out to Bobby, even though I know that in

answer to some of the questions, that he wasn't being completely honest. But like you said, he did show a lot of respect towards Whitney's memory. I just feel for the guy, especially when he said that he was not the bad person that many think he is. I don't think he's a bad person either. Like most blacks, Bobby grew up in the hood, and didn't have an easy life. My God, he saw his best friend killed in front of him! That alone would cause tremendous emotional troubles. On top of that, some blamed him for getting Whitney on drugs and that just wasn't true. They pretended that Whitney was this good girl, and that he was the bad boy that ruined her life. That wasn't true either. Many, including myself, saw the real Whitney during the taping of Being Bobby Brown, and she wasn't the good girl, pop princess that many wanted you to believe she was. Yes, Whitney had an amazing, God given voice, but she was also a flawed human being, as we all are....she wasn't perfect, and neither was Bobby, but it was Bobby who got the blame, and for that I felt sorry for the guy, because he really didn't deserve it. It was good seeing Bobby on the after show, he looks well. I prayed that he stays that way.

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Time has a way of revealing the truth...

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Reply #39 posted 01/21/15 7:26pm

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1contessa said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Angela Bassett did a good job! Finally telling a story that showed what Bobby had to go through. Who has ALWAYS been painted as a villain in the whole "Whitney & Bobby show". I felt sorry for him. I wish Angela would have filmed a scene that showed Whitney getting booed at the "Soul Train Awards". I attended that decades ago. But I guess she wanted to show more positives then negatives. My only criticism is she should have named the movie "Whitney & Bobby". It definitely focused more on Bobby's side of the story..

The after interview, Bobby showed a lot of respect toward Whitney. Even going as far as lying to cover up some negative things about both of them. Shaun Robinson asked some very questions.

Does Bobby remember writing a tell all book about Whitney that revealed EVERYTHING?

Overall I give the movie a B-

In the after interview with Shaun Robinson, my heart went out to Bobby, even though I know that in

answer to some of the questions, that he wasn't being completely honest. But like you said, he did show a lot of respect towards Whitney's memory. I just feel for the guy, especially when he said that he was not the bad person that many think he is. I don't think he's a bad person either. Like most blacks, Bobby grew up in the hood, and didn't have an easy life. My God, he saw his best friend killed in front of him! That alone would cause tremendous emotional troubles. On top of that, some blamed him for getting Whitney on drugs and that just wasn't true. They pretended that Whitney was this good girl, and that he was the bad boy that ruined her life. That wasn't true either. Many, including myself, saw the real Whitney during the taping of Being Bobby Brown, and she wasn't the good girl, pop princess that many wanted you to believe she was. Yes, Whitney had an amazing, God given voice, but she was also a flawed human being, as we all are....she wasn't perfect, and neither was Bobby, but it was Bobby who got the blame, and for that I felt sorry for the guy, because he really didn't deserve it. It was good seeing Bobby on the after show, he looks well. I prayed that he stays that way.

So he wasn't a bad guy after all. I guess the media made up all those stories about him

getting arrested. That Spielberg is a muthafather. lol Seriously we know Whitney dabbled

in drugs before she met Bobby but let's not let Bobby con us into thinking he was innocent.

As I recall in Whitney's interview with Oprah the two had a confrontation and Bobby spit on

her. Ultimate disrespect towards any human more a less the woman you are married to.

I'm glad dude appears to have his life in order now.

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