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Thread started 01/16/15 3:25am

nuttynutmeg

Janet Jackson's Lost Track

As you know, this track was dropped for no apparent reason from Damita Jo.

Any insiders with any info on who wrote/produced/played on this? It sure doesn's sound like Jimmy and Terry's production.

And was this ever performed live?

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Reply #1 posted 01/16/15 3:32am

hausofmoi7

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Its on the asian versions of the album.

“It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non- violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection” - Lesley Hazleton on the first Muslim, the prophet.
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Reply #2 posted 01/16/15 3:57am

nuttynutmeg

hausofmoi7 said:

Its on the asian versions of the album.

Lucky Asians.

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Reply #3 posted 01/16/15 4:00am

hausofmoi7

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"The Beat Of Black Wings"

I met a young soldier
He said his name was Killer Kyle
He was shakin' all over
Like a night-frightened child
This is his story
It's a tough one for me to sing
Hard as the squawk and the flap
And the beat of--the beat of black wings

"They gave me a gun," he said
"They gave me a mission
For the power and the glory--
Propaganda--piss on 'em
There's a war zone inside me--
I can feel things exploding--
I can't even hear the fucking music playing
For the beat of--the beat of black wings."

He said, "I never had nothin'--
Nothin' I could believe in
My girl killed our unborn child
Without even grievin'!
I put my hands on her belly
To feel the kid kickin'--damn!
She'd been to some clinic
Oh--the beat of black wings."

"They want you--they need you--
They train you to kill--
To be a pin on some map--
Some vicarious thrill--
The old hate the young
That's the whole heartless thing
The old pick the wars
We die in 'em
To the beat of--the beat of black wings."

There's a man drawing pictures
On the sidewalk with chalk
Just as fast as he draws 'em
Rain come down and wash 'em off
"Keep the drinks comin' girl
'Til I can't feel anything
I'm just a chalk mark in a rainstorm
I'm just the beat of black wings."

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“It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non- violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection” - Lesley Hazleton on the first Muslim, the prophet.
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Reply #4 posted 01/16/15 3:01pm

musicman

hausofmoi7 said:

Its on the asian versions of the album.

I think it was on the promo, but left off the album. I have the Japanese version of Damita Jo. The bonus tracks are "I'm Here" and "Put Your Hands On".

I wish they would have put "Could This Be Love" on the album. They jacked that album up.

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Reply #5 posted 01/16/15 8:07pm

nuttynutmeg

musicman said:

hausofmoi7 said:

Its on the asian versions of the album.

I think it was on the promo, but left off the album. I have the Japanese version of Damita Jo. The bonus tracks are "I'm Here" and "Put Your Hands On".

I wish they would have put "Could This Be Love" on the album. They jacked that album up.

Any info on who wrote/produced the track? Some people reported that Janet performed it live ocassionally. This song is not even on iTunes.

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Reply #6 posted 01/17/15 9:26am

ABeautifulOne

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I don't really want to assume who produced it but the song gives a strong Jimmy and Terry sound that they worked with at the time.

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Reply #7 posted 01/17/15 1:37pm

SEANMAN

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LOVE this unreleased track. Some of the unreleased Damita Jo tracks are better than a couple of the cuts that made the album.

"Get up off that grey line"
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Reply #8 posted 01/17/15 1:40pm

SEANMAN

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WHAT CAN I SAY is another great unreleased DJ cut

"Get up off that grey line"
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Reply #9 posted 01/17/15 3:10pm

lowkey

sounds like a jimmy and terry track to me

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Reply #10 posted 01/17/15 4:41pm

scorp84

Listen to Usher's "Truth Hurts" immediately after this song and tell me Jimmy and Terry didn't produce it lol
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Reply #11 posted 01/17/15 10:13pm

nuttynutmeg

scorp84 said:

Listen to Usher's "Truth Hurts" immediately after this song and tell me Jimmy and Terry didn't produce it lol

Never heard that song until now and now I think I'm convinced Jimmy and Terry also produced Could This Be Love. It sounds almost like they're using the same basic tracks!

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Reply #12 posted 01/19/15 7:38am

thedoorkeeper

The Beat of Black Wings is a Joni Mitchell song.
Give her version a listen
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Reply #13 posted 01/19/15 9:30am

Musicslave

SEANMAN said:

WHAT CAN I SAY is another great unreleased DJ cut

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One of my favorite unreleased tracks from her. They truly dropped the ball with omitting that one! mad biggrin Probably highlights her voice better than a lot of songs released as singles later (i.e. So Excited). Her soulful ad libs are on point too toward the end. The BGV's are on point as always with her (Especially on the chorus, check it out with decent headphones). I don't know what Rich Harrison did to get this out of her but it worked. I would be interested to hear what they could come up with again. I think I remember reading somewhere that it was left off because "people" thought it sounded too similiar to Jennifer Lopez "Get Right" or some other stuff he had out at the time. Again, whatever the reason was....I disagree.

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Reply #14 posted 01/19/15 12:25pm

FanofMusic84

Loves it.

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Reply #15 posted 01/20/15 3:05pm

SEANMAN

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Musicslave said:

SEANMAN said:

WHAT CAN I SAY is another great unreleased DJ cut

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One of my favorite unreleased tracks from her. They truly dropped the ball with omitting that one! mad biggrin Probably highlights her voice better than a lot of songs released as singles later (i.e. So Excited). Her soulful ad libs are on point too toward the end. The BGV's are on point as always with her (Especially on the chorus, check it out with decent headphones). I don't know what Rich Harrison did to get this out of her but it worked. I would be interested to hear what they could come up with again. I think I remember reading somewhere that it was left off because "people" thought it sounded too similiar to Jennifer Lopez "Get Right" or some other stuff he had out at the time. Again, whatever the reason was....I disagree.

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"Get up off that grey line"
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Reply #16 posted 01/21/15 12:41pm

alphastreet

She sounds okay on that second song, better than most DJ tracks, but pale in comparison to earlier works. Could This Be Love is good, should have been on the actual album and a single. Rich Harisson did well with her on Pops Up and Clap Your Hands

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Reply #17 posted 01/21/15 1:38pm

Musicslave

alphastreet said:

She sounds okay on that second song, better than most DJ tracks, but pale in comparison to earlier works. Could This Be Love is good, should have been on the actual album and a single. Rich Harisson did well with her on Pops Up and Clap Your Hands

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"Clap Your Hands" was hot! Great energy. Another good vocal performance. She usually sounds good with her upper register sung in full voice...

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I think I like "What Can I Say" and "Clap Your Hands" the most from her unreleased sessions with Rich Harrison. The problem I think she had with him is lack of diversity in his sound. In other words, a lot of his stuff sounds alike. Especially his arrangements. Just think of Kelly Rowland's "Can't Nobody", Jennifer Lopez "Get Right" and some of Amerie's old stuff and then these tracks from Janet.

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Reply #18 posted 01/21/15 10:40pm

nuttynutmeg

nuttynutmeg said:

scorp84 said:

Listen to Usher's "Truth Hurts" immediately after this song and tell me Jimmy and Terry didn't produce it lol

Never heard that song until now and now I think I'm convinced Jimmy and Terry also produced Could This Be Love. It sounds almost like they're using the same basic tracks!

It's definitely a nod to producers like Dilla, Poyser, Duplaix, etc.

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Reply #19 posted 01/22/15 1:22pm

datdude

wow. i'm usually defending or singin' Jan's praises but all three of these tracks are pretty unremarkable and wouldn't have enhanced the uneven (but not as bad as some would have you believe) projects they were dropped from. good editing.

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Reply #20 posted 01/22/15 2:33pm

Cinny

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You know, even if we can't get a new album from Janet, I would love a compilation of outtakes like these posted tracks, or deluxe remasters. Look, we missed the 10th anniversary of Damita Jo!

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