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Michael Jackson Estate Renews with BMI

By Billboard Staff | December 17, 2014 2:10 PM EST

Michael Jackson Estate Renews with BMI
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Michael Jackson's estate has renewed its long-standing partnership with BMI for representation of the late pop icon's catalog, the performing rights organization announced on Wednesday. The pact, which dates back over 38 years, covers the public performances of Jackson's songs.

"We are pleased to announce our continued representation of Michael's extraordinary and vast catalogue," BMI president and CEO Mike O'Neill said in a statement. "Since 1976, we’ve had the privilege of licensing his works and we’re honored to continue this relationship with his estate."

The King of Pop spent most of his 50 years making music, first with the Jackson 5 and later in a solo career that spawned huge international hits including "Rock With You," "Billie Jean," "Beat It," "Bad" and "Black or White." His biggest album, 1982's Thriller, has sold more than a 100 million copies worldwide. A posthumous album, Xscape, was released this year and debuted at No. 2 on theBillboard 200.

In addition to the Jackson estate deal, BMI also announced that Taylor Swift, Pink and Maroon 5have chosen to continue their partnerships with the organization. BMI pegs its membership at over 650,000 songwriters, composers and publishers.

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Why 1984 Was Michael Jackson’s Defining Year -- and the Beginning of His Downfall



By Andrew Hampp

Why 1984 Was Michael Jackson’s Defining Year -- and the Beginning of His Downfall

Michael Jackson with Brook Shields and Emannuel Lewis at the Grammy awards on February 28, 1984

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Although Michael Jackson's Thriller was released in November 1982, the artist and the album's immense cultural impact solidified in early 1984. Thriller spent 17 of its 37 weeks atop the Billboard 200 during an uninterrupted streak that ran from Dec. 24, 1983 through April 14, 1984, second only to the West Side Storysoundtrack. The pop star, then 25, would take home eight Grammys for the album in February and break a Hot 100 record for the most top 10 singles from the same album -- seven -- when the title track, buoyed by its groundbreaking John Landis-directed video, peaked at No. 4 on March 3.

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Along with the fame came a fortune. According to the RIAA, Thriller is tied with the Eagles' Their Greatest Hits 1971-1975 as the best-selling album of all time in the United States, with 29 million copies shipped. And in July, Jackson reunited with his brothers for the Victory Tour, which grossed $75 million.

But, in a twist worthy of a Dickens novel, Jackson's brilliant year also marked the beginning of his personal downfall when a Jan. 27 commercial shoot for Pepsi ended in near tragedy. He suffered second-degree burns from an on-set fire, leading to an addiction to painkillers that many have attributed to the legend's premature death at age 50 in 2009.

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Though a proper documentary of Jackson's heyday has yet to be released, the pop star "always had a crew following everything he did," says Aaron Walton, who was a marketing assistant for Pepsi (and present on the set) at the time of the fateful accident. "I remember asking [Jackson] why he did that, and he said, 'You know, I asked Paul McCartney what he loved about touring with The Beatles, and the thing Paul regretted the most was that he didn't document all of the things that he did. It would have been nice to look back at that film now and just relive some of those moments.' And Michael took that literally -- there was not a moment he was out there where didn't document that stuff. I'm sure there's amazing footage of him and very personal moments that would be amazing to see."

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10 Weirdest Michael Jackson Statues You Won’t Believe

The King of Pop…Art.

Susan

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The Official Michael Jackson Opus

The Official Michael Jackson Opus

The King of Pop was born in Gary, Indiana and grew up alongside his nine siblings. Under the tutelage and rough guidance of his father, he would become an international sensation forging a 45-year career. His 1982 album Thriller is the best-selling album of all time, and the video was rather impressive as well, featuring Michael Jackson as a hip-shaking zombie and fluffy werewolf/werecat.

Jackson’s behaviours, song lyrics and his ever-changing appearance were the cause of many controversies throughout his life. Beginning in the mid-1990s, his life would be overshadowed by allegations of child molestation. He settled out of court on one accusation and was brought up on separate charges in 2005. He was acquitted in that case.

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No matter what one believes about Jackson’s personal life, the sheer fact remains that he was one of the most popular performers the world has ever seen. A consummate showman, he is adored worldwide and has been the inspiration for many statues across the globe. These ten are the most interesting, strange and funny. Rock on, Jacko.

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Jackson filmed his first They Don’t Care About Us video in the Santa Marta favela of Rio de Janeiro and in the city of Salvador. A protest song, it drew the attention of Spike Lee, who ultimately directed two videos for the song. Brazilians officials were concerned about the pop star filming in a favela, because they believed it would portray a bad image in the media, but ultimately the King of Pop won and the video was a success.

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The video featured local musicians and residents, and brought to light the issues that exist in favelas. The event was memorialized in a bronze statue of the singer that rises high over the shantytown, alongside a rainbow coloured mosaic of Jackson’s face on what appears to be a postage stamp. Arms outstretched, the skinny statue looks more like Lindsay Lohan than Jackson, but it keeps the visitors coming.

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9. Football Museum

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Adam Davy/EMPICS Sport

This waxy looking statue of MJ was commissioned by business magnate Mohamed Al-Fayed and unveiled outside of Craven Cottage on the grounds of Fulham Football Club, where Al-Fayed was chairman in 2011. Apparently a huge fan and friend of Jackson, Al-Fayed was the brunt of criticism when the statue was placed on display, mainly because it looked stiff and constipated.

Art critics called it ugly kitsch, but Al-Fayed retaliated by saying “If some stupid fans don’t understand and appreciate such a gift, they can go to hell.” Fulham’s record improved, however, after placement of the statue. When new Fulham chairman Sahid Khan took office, he had the statue removed. It was placed at the National Football Museum in Manchester in May 2014 and Fulham’s record took a plunge. Maybe Al-Fayed was onto something?

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8. Jackson As Abe Lincoln

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There are Hard Rock Hotels everywhere and yes, they’ve been more successful than Planet Hollywood. I bet that takes you back. Still, no Hard Rock Hotel is as awesome as the one in Penang, Malaysia that features a white-washed Michael Jackson-cum-Abraham Lincoln welcoming all visitors. Its similarity to the Lincoln Monument aside, the sculpture is actually decent. It captured his facial features pretty well.

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It was created by SCULPTUREATWORK in Kuala Lumpur and guests just love it. Though the café at the hotel is primarily themed around The Beatles, it does feature some other artists’ memorabilia. We’re fairly certain Sir Paul dislikes that statue, considering that MJ bought the rights to most of The Beatles’ classic songs.

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7. Madonna And Child

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Los Angeles based artist Maria von Kohler installed her artwork at The Premises Studios in East London in 2011. Her work entitled Madonna and Child captures the moment when Michael Jackson, for whatever asinine reason, dangled his 9-month old son Prince Michael II from a fifth-floor hotel balcony. While the singer later apologized for his lack of judgement, the event obviously stayed with von Kholer.

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The artist didn’t receive any payment for the project, but she did receive death threats. One fan even threatened to burn down the studio, while others claimed that it disgraced MJ. The statue wasn’t a permanent fixture and was supposedly relocated to Los Angeles a few months later. Its whereabouts remain lost in the ether.

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6. Chinese Sculpture Park

MJ World

MJ World

A bronze figure of Jackson, arms outstretched with a smile on his face, is an oft-visited feature of the Guangzhou Sculpture Park in Guangzhou City, China. The singer/dancer extraordinaire visited a nearby town in the same province in 1987. After Jackson’s death, the people rallied together and raised the funds needed to build a statue.

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The opening ceremony was also used as an opportunity to raise money for charity and spread Michael’s message of love. The statue was sculpted by Zeng Kang Lu, who managed to uncannily capture the likeness of the entertainer. The Chinese and Hong Kong fan clubs later commissioned a copy of the statue and had it placed in the Overland Park Arboretum Botanical Garden in Kansas.

5. Italian Amusement Park

The World Remembers

The World Remembers

Michael Jackson was a child at heart, which often garnered him a lot of criticism and made him a great punchline. He loved childish things so much that he even had his own amusement park built at his estate, Neverland Ranch. Who can blame him? If you give a star billions of dollars, he’s going to want a rollercoaster.

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So, it’s appropriate that Magicland Theme Park in Valmontone, Rome should have a Michael Jackson statue. Jackson wanted to build an amusement in that province of Rome, which inspired the park to pay homage to him. The statue is an accessible, smiling Jackson, casually scratching his head.

Maybe he’s thinking about a new song. Maybe he’s just trying to figure out which ride to try next. Whatever it is, this could start a rash of Jackson statues popping up at amusement parks worldwide.

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4. Tuen Mun Temple

The World Remembers

The World Remembers

In 1987, The Gloved One visited TVB City in Hong Kong and met singer Alex To, who commissioned a sculpture after Jackson’s death. The copper statue was erected in Shan Yuan Temple in Tuen Mun, Hong Kong. The statue replicates Jackson’s Smooth Criminal attire and immortalises him in mid-funky fresh dance move.

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Jermaine Jackson’s ex-wife, Alejandra, and her daughter with Randy Jackson attended the unveiling ceremony. You’re probably wondering about that titbit of information, so let’s clarify. Alejandra has two children with Randy Jackson, brother to Jermaine and Michael. She left Randy, married Jermaine, had two kids with him and then they divorced. Reality TV, here we come!

Musician Howard McCrary sang I’ll Be There, and his performance was actually very nice. If you’re bored or you have ten minutes to spare, you can watch the video of the ceremonyhere.

3. McDonalds Parking Lot

"Michael Jackson sculpture" by Sjors Provoost from Utrecht, Netherlands - Cropped from img_0149.jpg. Licensed under CC BY-2.0 via Wikimedia Commons - <a href=http://commons.wikimedia....lpture.jpg" width="600" height="300" />

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What’s the best way to advertise a new album? With giant Colossus of Rhodes sized statues of…yourself. The most expensive music product promotion ever, Sony built 9 32-foot tall statues of Michael Jackson wearing bandoliers to advertise for the HIStory album. The statues were placed in strategic locations in Europe in 1995, and one even took a barge trip down the River Thames.

Some statues were dismantled and others may be in storage at Sony, but this one has remained standing in a McDonalds’ parking lot in Best, The Netherlands. There’s something appropriate about a personality as gargantuan as Jackson being next to a place as common as McDonalds. He was a worldwide phenomenon among people from all walks of life, kind of like the Royale with Cheese.

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2. Austrian Park

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via Scout Network

Another interesting statue of Michael is in Landesbahnpark in Mistelbach an der Zaya, Austria. The project was the brainchild of fan Martina Kainz and funded by donations. This statue, carved by Czech sculptor Daniel Kartakova, replaced a bronze bust of the superstar, which had a better face, but worse hair.

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The new statue is another one of Jackson frozen in time. He points, eyes slightly closed and hand across his stomach, which could indicate a resting position or possibly gas. He’s whitewashed, again, but with a few golden accents, which make his tie look like butter. He’s also wearing the Smooth Criminal outfit, which seems to be a common theme among sculptures of Jackson. It would be great if sculptors would use some other attire, like the gold lame’ costume from Remember the Time or maybe some sequins ala Off The Wall.

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1. Jackson And Bubbles

"Michael Jackson and Bubbles (porcelain sculpture)" by Håkon H - Flickr: michael jackson and bubbles. Licensed under CC BY-SA 2.0 via Wikimedia Commons.

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The funniest of all statues, by far, is Jeff Koons’ rendition of Jackson and his pet chimpanzee, Bubbles. It is at once the most garish, obnoxious and flattering recreations of the star ever. Koons put a concerted effort into positively capturing Jackson’s visage in porcelain and gave him a transcendent quality that is lacking from many of the other depictions on this list. Also, he didn’t skimp on the gold detailing, highlighting both Jackson and the ape with his Midas touch. The use of gold alludes to mass-produced Christian iconography according to the artist.

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Even though the sculpture is kitschy, the artist sought to capture Jackson’s larger than life persona and has stated that he appreciated Michael Jackson’s “radicality.” The work examines self-exploration and uses Bubbles as commentary on human nature.

Three of these iconic statues were produced. One was sold at auction and the other two are on display in Athens and San Francisco. Bubbles wasn’t immediately available for comment, but we do know he is living peacefully at a sanctuary in Florida.

Where are your favourite statues of the King of Pop? Do you think someone should make a statue of Michael Jackson as the Scarecrow or Captain Eo? Do you prefer Nipsey Russell to Jack Haley?

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"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato

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Reply #4 posted 12/18/14 10:15pm

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"do you remember"?
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purplethunder3121 said:

Why 1984 Was Michael Jackson’s Defining Year -- and the Beginning of His Downfall



By Andrew Hampp

Why 1984 Was Michael Jackson’s Defining Year -- and the Beginning of His Downfall

Michael Jackson with Brook Shields and Emannuel Lewis at the Grammy awards on February 28, 1984

Sam Emerson/Polaris

Although Michael Jackson's Thriller was released in November 1982, the artist and the album's immense cultural impact solidified in early 1984. Thriller spent 17 of its 37 weeks atop the Billboard 200 during an uninterrupted streak that ran from Dec. 24, 1983 through April 14, 1984, second only to the West Side Storysoundtrack. The pop star, then 25, would take home eight Grammys for the album in February and break a Hot 100 record for the most top 10 singles from the same album -- seven -- when the title track, buoyed by its groundbreaking John Landis-directed video, peaked at No. 4 on March 3.

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Along with the fame came a fortune. According to the RIAA, Thriller is tied with the Eagles' Their Greatest Hits 1971-1975 as the best-selling album of all time in the United States, with 29 million copies shipped. And in July, Jackson reunited with his brothers for the Victory Tour, which grossed $75 million.

But, in a twist worthy of a Dickens novel, Jackson's brilliant year also marked the beginning of his personal downfall when a Jan. 27 commercial shoot for Pepsi ended in near tragedy. He suffered second-degree burns from an on-set fire, leading to an addiction to painkillers that many have attributed to the legend's premature death at age 50 in 2009.

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Though a proper documentary of Jackson's heyday has yet to be released, the pop star "always had a crew following everything he did," says Aaron Walton, who was a marketing assistant for Pepsi (and present on the set) at the time of the fateful accident. "I remember asking [Jackson] why he did that, and he said, 'You know, I asked Paul McCartney what he loved about touring with The Beatles, and the thing Paul regretted the most was that he didn't document all of the things that he did. It would have been nice to look back at that film now and just relive some of those moments.' And Michael took that literally -- there was not a moment he was out there where didn't document that stuff. I'm sure there's amazing footage of him and very personal moments that would be amazing to see."

that Pepsi accident DID NOT lead to reliance to painkillers.....they are trying to sell that narrative now to obscure what really happened to him and why he started taking them

when the accident happened, after having the skin graft operation to the back of his scalp, his primary plastic surgeon issued a press release indicating under no circumstances would MJ rely on any type of pain medication during his recovery

by the time the Victory Tour started, he was good to go and didn't miss a beat

I wish we can get the truth for once by those in position to writing about his career

but as the saying goes, truth is stranger than fiction

[Edited 12/19/14 3:40am]

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Oh lord, they're so wrong for madonna and child lol how would he feel knowing he was called MADONNA, period? lol

I kind of like the first one, but really like the one in the legend continues where he's posing next to it

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Thought i'd post this for those who havent seen it. Amazing footage in my opinion

www.youtube.com/watch?v=376dwWEyq6E&list=LL7VyWlioOOxtBNjZj1AYqpg&index=2)

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"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato

https://youtu.be/CVwv9LZMah0
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Been listening to Much Too Soon a lot lately. Lovely song.

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Reply #10 posted 12/24/14 9:39am

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I really hope we haven't heard anywhere near the best of the vault.

I'm feeling a bit fammy™
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-- there was not a moment he was out there where didn't document that stuff. I'm sure there's amazing footage of him and very personal moments that would be amazing to see."

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Good question: where is all this footage?!

"I would say that Prince's top thirty percent is great. Of that thirty percent, I'll bet the public has heard twenty percent of it." - Susan Rogers, "Hunting for Prince's Vault", BBC, 2015
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I think between Xscape and Michael there could've been a really great album for the fans, had the estate not been so money-hungry, spreading MJ's work so thinly over each release so as to maximise the amount of new releases.

I think this would've made an amazing album:

1. Xscape (2014 version)
2. Hollywood Tonight (Michael version)
3. Slave 2 The Rhythm (2014 version)
4. Best of Joy
5. A Place With No Name (original)
6. Chicago (2014 version)
7. Do You Know Where Your Children Are (2010 version)
8. Another Day
9. Behind The Mask
10. Much Too Soon

BONUS TRACKS:
11. Blue Gangster (original)
12. I Like The Way You Love Me (remix)

Loving You could've gone on Bad 25. Whilst I like the finished version of HMH, there is not enough MJ vocals to warrant it being on a MJ album. I could happily live without Love Never Felt So Good and of course the Cascio tracks.

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Dangerous was Michael Jackson's true career high
The Dangerous album may have coincided with some unfortunate allegations, but Jackson displays an emotional honesty he would never find again









Michael Jackson's Dangerous was the first album I ever owned, a cassette copy that I pored over like the Rosetta Stone. What was that dog in ermine robes about? Was In the Closet about literally keeping something in a closet? All that was certain was that Macaulay Culkin, in being allowed a spoken-word intro to Black Or White, as well as starring in Home Alone 2, was the luckiest kid alive.
Looking at the sales figures, it's clear that everyone's currently on a Jacko reappreciation binge. My own has inevitably (and nostalgically) honed in on Dangerous, and one thing is objectively clear: this album rules.
As its initial release dovetailed with the Jordan Chandler allegations, the album is now falling neatly into an accepted narrative – that it's part of Jackson's decline, both artistically and personally. The reality is that Dangerous is Jackson at the very peak of his powers, with his widest ever emotional range set to production that makes new jack swing seem much more than just lame dance moves andfluorescent man-made fibres.
Produced mostly by Teddy Riley, the tracks are fiendishly intricate, loaded with scratching, multiple layers of drum programming, and shiny smashes of hyper-artificial brass. In its mechanic complexity and tautly funky precision, it mirrors and amplifies Jackson's corporeal and vocal exactitude; it also reflects Jackson's fascination with the robotic that imperceptibly crept into his dance moves and continued in his Moonwalker film.
Jackson, meanwhile, is revelatory. On Remember the Time, he is soft and teasing, ruthlessly manipulating his former paramour, before unleashing ferocious passion at the climax. Indeed, Dangerous is the only album on which he sounds believably erotic, all strained frustration and full-throated entreaties; Riley extracts a sexual urgency that the Neptunes would later draw from Justin Timberlake. Meanwhile on the baked-Camembert ballads Heal the World and Will You Be There, he's charmingly innocent, and sings simple, effortless melodies.
And while Quincy Jones once allegedly shouted, "No squeaks, motherfucker!" during the recording of Thriller, here Jackson is off the leash, brilliantly weaving his vocal tics into the fabric of Riley's production. On Who Is It, he elicits a gulping sob that syncs exactly with the beat – surely the funkiest crying ever recorded?
In all the swooning at Thriller's album sales and Jackson's pre-surgery beatitude, Dangerous risks becoming even more underrated than it is now. That would be a tragedy – for me, it's his finest hour. Does anyone else agree?
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Reply #14 posted 12/26/14 5:54pm

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Great Michael Jackson related Quotes

Six year old nephew today after watching his first MJ video ever ('Earth Song'): "Michael Jackson is futuristic". I got chills. He gets it.

"Jazz bands might be able to cover Michael Jackson's tunes...but they could not assimilate the full effect of Michael Jackson..."

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"...which started with his toes and only gradually arrived at the vocal chords and cerebellum."

"How did Quincy Jones ever get the idea of taking little snippets of Jackson squeaking out high notes, and use them as background effects—"

...Almost like birds chirping on the trees? Then Q would mix this amalgamation of quasi-ambient sounds with a lead vocal, hypnotic bassline.

"The constant 16th notes in the background on 'Thriller' sound almost like Javanese Gamelan grooves..."

From knolls of Uganda to straits of Bosphorus, world's taken to TDCAU like no other MJ song, not playing but performing it, in its own idiom

America identifies MJ with the glove. Reckon the rest of the world identifies him with the hat. That says a lot.

· Dec 1

Listening to the acapellas of Billie Jean and TDCAU consecutively is so instructive.

Early MJ. Long legato melodic lines, one phrase glissandoes into another, notes strung like pearls effortlessly with melismatic gleams.

Late MJ. Repetitive ostinato figures, raggedy staccato edges, voice crumbling in rasps on every other phrase, sustained scratchy overtones.

Nope. He intentionally made his sound hard as granite. Very antithesis of pop. “@serenadingrhyme: this all sounds so negative

Why MJ's later work has never got the due it deserved. Because it's difficult. Not catchy pop on gossamer wings. @serenadingrhyme

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Has anyone heard the fan made TDCAU accapella? Gives me the chills. Try to imagine that in high quality stereo.

I'm feeling a bit fammy™
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Reply #16 posted 12/27/14 8:19pm

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MattyJam said:

Been listening to Much Too Soon a lot lately. Lovely song.

It's really a beautiful song.

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Reply #17 posted 12/29/14 4:44pm

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that Pepsi accident DID NOT lead to reliance to painkillers.....they are trying to sell that narrative now to obscure what really happened to him and why he started taking them

when the accident happened, after having the skin graft operation to the back of his scalp, his primary plastic surgeon issued a press release indicating under no circumstances would MJ rely on any type of pain medication during his recovery

by the time the Victory Tour started, he was good to go and didn't miss a beat

I wish we can get the truth for once by those in position to writing about his career

but as the saying goes, truth is stranger than fiction

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Agreed. I remember watching a news report where his makeup artist, Karen Faye, explained that the reliance on painkillers started during the Dangerous Tour . Apparently MJ had had an operation which did not heal well, he had shows booked and had to go on. Then to complicate matters the 1993 scandal broke.

This is the interview...The part about MJs painkillers starts at 5:30 (5 minutes and 30 seconds in).


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Reply #18 posted 12/30/14 5:49am

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DonRants said:

Scorp said:

that Pepsi accident DID NOT lead to reliance to painkillers.....they are trying to sell that narrative now to obscure what really happened to him and why he started taking them

when the accident happened, after having the skin graft operation to the back of his scalp, his primary plastic surgeon issued a press release indicating under no circumstances would MJ rely on any type of pain medication during his recovery

by the time the Victory Tour started, he was good to go and didn't miss a beat

I wish we can get the truth for once by those in position to writing about his career

but as the saying goes, truth is stranger than fiction

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Agreed. I remember watching a news report where his makeup artist, Karen Faye, explained that the reliance on painkillers started during the Dangerous Tour . Apparently MJ had had an operation which did not heal well, he had shows booked and had to go on. Then to comlicate matters the 1993 scandal broke.

This is the interview.. Have to run will edit later. If it is not in this part, it is in the part 2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OfT8uNHmuI

yes sir......

yes sir....

commercial media for the past 5 years have promoted the narrative the pepsi accident caused MJ's reliance on pain medication and that was never ever the truth to begin with

as you say, as Karen Faye stated, it all began in the early 90s during the Dangerous Tour

if we can get the truth, the entire truth in respectful fashion...no scrutiny, no ridicule, no beef....then and only then will MJ's legacy be upheld along w/the intent of the amazing musical message that he wanted the world to embrace........thats' all I ever wanted as a fan...nothing more, nothing less

much peace

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Reply #20 posted 12/31/14 5:06pm

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http://www.damienshields....ight-only/

Great read, I've always wanted to know more about this show and why it wasn't rescheduled.

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Great read, I've always wanted to know more about this show and why it wasn't rescheduled.


IIRC, this was the kind of thing Prince pitched to him in 2006 as well.

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Reply #22 posted 01/01/15 8:02am

Dilan

getfunked said:

Glascutter said:

Great read, I've always wanted to know more about this show and why it wasn't rescheduled.


IIRC, this was the kind of thing Prince pitched to him in 2006 as well.

Do you have any evidence for that? I just find it general over the years a couple of rumours about Prince and MJ conversations but I can't find any evidence for any of it. The only meetings really known are MJ visiting prince on the purple rain tour, latoya inviting him for dinner with mj and when prince came to NY to visit MJ at the hits factory where he was recording history. Another rumour was that in 2007 MJ called him for advice on a comeback but again there is nothing to say this is true.

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Dilan said:

getfunked said:


IIRC, this was the kind of thing Prince pitched to him in 2006 as well.

Do you have any evidence for that? I just find it general over the years a couple of rumours about Prince and MJ conversations but I can't find any evidence for any of it. The only meetings really known are MJ visiting prince on the purple rain tour, latoya inviting him for dinner with mj and when prince came to NY to visit MJ at the hits factory where he was recording history. Another rumour was that in 2007 MJ called him for advice on a comeback but again there is nothing to say this is true.


You're absolutely right. It was just something I vaguely recalled in the back of my mind when reading this, hence the IIRC. My bad.

[EDIT] Though I think it was said by multiple people that he was seen attending and hanging around some (or was it just the one?) of the 3121 shows.

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Reply #24 posted 01/01/15 3:23pm

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getfunked said:

Dilan said:

Do you have any evidence for that? I just find it general over the years a couple of rumours about Prince and MJ conversations but I can't find any evidence for any of it. The only meetings really known are MJ visiting prince on the purple rain tour, latoya inviting him for dinner with mj and when prince came to NY to visit MJ at the hits factory where he was recording history. Another rumour was that in 2007 MJ called him for advice on a comeback but again there is nothing to say this is true.


You're absolutely right. It was just something I vaguely recalled in the back of my mind when reading this, hence the IIRC. My bad.

[EDIT] Though I think it was said by multiple people that he was seen attending and hanging around some (or was it just the one?) of the 3121 shows.

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The bodyguards said (absolutley amazing book if you haven't read it) in their book that MJ came to a prince show in vegas it may of been 3121. and prince got someone to ask mj to visit him after the show but MJ said no because it was late and his kids needed to go to bed. Another thing is kenny ortega said that he said mj said "if im not here to receive these ideas god might give them to prince" in response to why he works so hard.

its quite amazing how concealed their friendship was, if they did have a friendship. I wonder if prince ever went to neverland or what he meant when he said "mj may know something we don't so lets just wait it out" or if he ever reached out to him during the trial.

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Reply #25 posted 01/01/15 10:17pm

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Dangerous Concert

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Reply #26 posted 01/02/15 1:47pm

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Michael Jackson had no musicality but somehow managed to pen, compose and produce masterpieces. Okay.

Quincy Jones "did everything" but Michael's demos showed completed lyrics, compositions and melodies. Okay.

He was irrelevant in the 90's but he magically happened to have two 25 million+ selling albums and the highest attended solo tour ever.

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Musician was just one of the many hats he wore. Aside from performance artist, entertainer, dancer, activist, humanitarian, fashion icon etc

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Reply #27 posted 01/02/15 1:52pm

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I was young then but Michael Jackson been aware. Wow. "Scream"

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Scorp said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Why 1984 Was Michael Jackson’s Defining Year -- and the Beginning of His Downfall



By Andrew Hampp

Why 1984 Was Michael Jackson’s Defining Year -- and the Beginning of His Downfall

Michael Jackson with Brook Shields and Emannuel Lewis at the Grammy awards on February 28, 1984

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Although Michael Jackson's Thriller was released in November 1982, the artist and the album's immense cultural impact solidified in early 1984. Thriller spent 17 of its 37 weeks atop the Billboard 200 during an uninterrupted streak that ran from Dec. 24, 1983 through April 14, 1984, second only to the West Side Storysoundtrack. The pop star, then 25, would take home eight Grammys for the album in February and break a Hot 100 record for the most top 10 singles from the same album -- seven -- when the title track, buoyed by its groundbreaking John Landis-directed video, peaked at No. 4 on March 3.

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Along with the fame came a fortune. According to the RIAA, Thriller is tied with the Eagles' Their Greatest Hits 1971-1975 as the best-selling album of all time in the United States, with 29 million copies shipped. And in July, Jackson reunited with his brothers for the Victory Tour, which grossed $75 million.

But, in a twist worthy of a Dickens novel, Jackson's brilliant year also marked the beginning of his personal downfall when a Jan. 27 commercial shoot for Pepsi ended in near tragedy. He suffered second-degree burns from an on-set fire, leading to an addiction to painkillers that many have attributed to the legend's premature death at age 50 in 2009.

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Though a proper documentary of Jackson's heyday has yet to be released, the pop star "always had a crew following everything he did," says Aaron Walton, who was a marketing assistant for Pepsi (and present on the set) at the time of the fateful accident. "I remember asking [Jackson] why he did that, and he said, 'You know, I asked Paul McCartney what he loved about touring with The Beatles, and the thing Paul regretted the most was that he didn't document all of the things that he did. It would have been nice to look back at that film now and just relive some of those moments.' And Michael took that literally -- there was not a moment he was out there where didn't document that stuff. I'm sure there's amazing footage of him and very personal moments that would be amazing to see."

that Pepsi accident DID NOT lead to reliance to painkillers.....they are trying to sell that narrative now to obscure what really happened to him and why he started taking them

when the accident happened, after having the skin graft operation to the back of his scalp, his primary plastic surgeon issued a press release indicating under no circumstances would MJ rely on any type of pain medication during his recovery

by the time the Victory Tour started, he was good to go and didn't miss a beat

I wish we can get the truth for once by those in position to writing about his career

but as the saying goes, truth is stranger than fiction

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Reply #29 posted 01/02/15 9:25pm

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dublinproud said:

Thought i'd post this for those who havent seen it. Amazing footage in my opinion

www.youtube.com/watch?v=376dwWEyq6E&list=LL7VyWlioOOxtBNjZj1AYqpg&index=2)

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Wow this is great footage! Thanks for posting! smile

Billie Jean music video outtakes

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