I love both bands, but I have come to the conclusion that The Tony's are just a better band.

I've seen many discussions over the years about both bands here at the "org" with usually Mint coming out on top.

MC has never had an album like Sons of Soul or House of Music.

Def of a Band is Mint's best (IMO) and is comparable to the Revival.

Never got the point of these "better than" threads...

phunkdaddy said:

Ah this debate again. The Tonys were probably a little better releasing singles but Mint is unquestionably the better all around band and live act. I think From The Mint Factory, Definition Of A Band, and Life's Aquarium are better than Sons of Soul. For me House of Music was the Tonys best and are on par with those 3 Mint albums. As far as lyrics and songwriting I think Life's Aquarium and House Of Music are equal.

I love Mint Condition live... They never disappoint.

Saw them both live..........it isnt even close. Mint by a MILE.

Graycap23 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Graycap23 said:

Saw them both live..........it isnt even close. Mint by a MILE.

Album wise though. Never seen any live. What years was it?

I dig them both but I'll take Mint both live and studio.

What year? Mint many times.......TTT way way back in the day.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Graycap23 said:

Saw them both live..........it isnt even close. Mint by a MILE.

Album wise though. Never seen any live. What years was it?

It's definitely not close now that Sadiqq isn't with the Tonys anymore.

They definitely don't sound the same live without him.

phunkdaddy said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Graycap23 said: Album wise though. Never seen any live. What years was it?

It's definitely not close now that Sadiqq isn't with the Tonys anymore.

They definitely don't sound the same live without him.

If you add Saadiq's records to the Tony's, it's 8 vs. 8.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

phunkdaddy said:

It's definitely not close now that Sadiqq isn't with the Tonys anymore.

They definitely don't sound the same live without him.

If you add Saadiq's records to the Tony's, it's 8 vs. 8.

Using that logic........if u add Stokley's 4 Ursus Minor records it's 12 - 8

Graycap23 said:

Tiny Toni Tone was nowhere near as good as Mint Condition...

is this even a serious question?

RJOrion said:

Tiny Toni Tone was nowhere near as good as Mint Condition...

is this even a serious question?

Of course it is.

RJOrion said:

Tiny Toni Tone was nowhere near as good as Mint Condition...

is this even a serious question?

See.............I thought it was just me.

The Tony's couldn't fuck with Mint Condition live, but The Tony's wrote better songs. The Tony's were more popular and sold more records. The thing that frustrated me about Mint was that they felt the need to rely on ballads all of the time. they would always include at least one rock infused song at the end of every cd and i loved that. they had too many ballads and that SUCKED! The Tony's knew how to write great ballads and uptempo songs and they were catchy.

I like "Raise Up" by MC.

babybrutha said:

The Tony's couldn't fuck with Mint Condition live, but The Tony's wrote better songs. The Tony's were more popular and sold more records. The thing that frustrated me about Mint was that they felt the need to rely on ballads all of the time. they would always include at least one rock infused song at the end of every cd and i loved that. they had too many ballads and that SUCKED! The Tony's knew how to write great ballads and uptempo songs and they were catchy.

I felt Mint had a good balance on most of their albums. The thing is

they never released uptempo singles beyond the first two cds. Ironically

their first album only contained 3 ballads with 2 of them being top 10

singles.

phunkdaddy said:

babybrutha said:

The Tony's couldn't fuck with Mint Condition live, but The Tony's wrote better songs. The Tony's were more popular and sold more records. The thing that frustrated me about Mint was that they felt the need to rely on ballads all of the time. they would always include at least one rock infused song at the end of every cd and i loved that. they had too many ballads and that SUCKED! The Tony's knew how to write great ballads and uptempo songs and they were catchy.

I felt Mint had a good balance on most of their albums. The thing is

they never released uptempo singles beyond the first two cds. Ironically

their first album only contained 3 ballads with 2 of them being top 10

singles.

The actually released them but only on the 12" versions.

Graycap23 said:

phunkdaddy said:

Graycap23 said:

The actually released them but only on the 12" versions.

Which songs?

http://www.discogs.com/artist/236214-Mint-Condition?type=Releases&subtype=Singles-EPs

I think this list is missing some. I'll have 2 check.

phunkdaddy said:

babybrutha said:

The Tony's couldn't fuck with Mint Condition live, but The Tony's wrote better songs. The Tony's were more popular and sold more records. The thing that frustrated me about Mint was that they felt the need to rely on ballads all of the time. they would always include at least one rock infused song at the end of every cd and i loved that. they had too many ballads and that SUCKED! The Tony's knew how to write great ballads and uptempo songs and they were catchy.

I felt Mint had a good balance on most of their albums. The thing is

they never released uptempo singles beyond the first two cds. Ironically

their first album only contained 3 ballads with 2 of them being top 10

singles.

That's the reason why my favorite cd is Livin The Luxury Brown. IMO it's the most diverse musicallly and also from a songwriting perspective. I'm not as fond of their more ballad-heavy cds.

But this is my absolute favorite from Mint. I love the hell outta this song.......

I don't know of a TTT song that approaches this level.

babynoz said:

phunkdaddy said:

I felt Mint had a good balance on most of their albums. The thing is

they never released uptempo singles beyond the first two cds. Ironically

their first album only contained 3 ballads with 2 of them being top 10

singles.

That's the reason why my favorite cd is Livin The Luxury Brown. IMO it's the most diverse musicallly and also from a songwriting perspective. I'm not as fond of their more ballad-heavy cds.

But this is my absolute favorite from Mint. I love the hell outta this song.......

I don't know of a TTT song that approaches this level.

Mint Condition probably had better musicians.

But Tony Toni Tone had more interesting albums.

duccichucka said:

Tony Toni Tone's House Of Music album is SUPERB I never really got into Mint Condition...have they done an album as good as that one?

babynoz said:

phunkdaddy said:

babynoz said:

That's the reason why my favorite cd is Livin The Luxury Brown. IMO it's the most diverse musicallly and also from a songwriting perspective. I'm not as fond of their more ballad-heavy cds.

But this is my absolute favorite from Mint. I love the hell outta this song.......

I don't know of a TTT song that approaches this level.

It's hard for me to pick a favorite Mint album not named Meant to be Mint or E-life because the rest of the other 6 are that good. When I bought Luxury Brown after their 5 year hiatus I must have jammed this cd 2 hrs. This cd was R&b and Rock heavy and definitely most diverse album but Life's Aquarium is not far behind. Luxury Brown didn't have any tracks I didn't like. The Tonys never came up with anything as musically diverse as this album It's Hard, Runaway, Fallin Apart, The Tempest, Doormat, One Wish, We Got Us. Babynoz notice how Fallin Apart flows effortlessly from R&B to Rock to Jazz. Only MC can pull that off.

Sooo true. Luxury Brown is the Mint cd that literallly blew me away. I have seen them live twice and they are hellafied, to use an old skool term,

Now I'm gonna go play Fallin Apart.

I use to be a BIG Tony Toni Tone fan! Went to all their shows,had all their albums. Even followed Sadiq's solo career when he abruptly left the group. NOT ANYMORE! After I met him.

Mint Condition is still together which says a lot. EVERY group that Sadiq starts or artist he mentors falls completely apart. I wonder why?