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Reply #30 posted 12/16/14 8:15am

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Militant said:

She made the most interesting pop record of the year, IMO, and she writes all of her songs herself, and plays guitar and piano, so that's more than you can say for a lot of her peers.

Man...................I tried 2 listen 2 her work.

On a scale of 1 to 10................it's about a 1.

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Reply #31 posted 12/16/14 11:59am

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is it possible she has a drug problem?

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Reply #32 posted 12/16/14 12:14pm

JoeTyler

she's decent for one blowjob, nothing more

and as for her musc, she makes Avril Lavigne sound like Jodi Mitchell

that's how bad TS is...

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Reply #33 posted 12/16/14 8:36pm

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JoeTyler said:

she's decent for one blowjob, nothing more

and as for her musc, she makes Avril Lavigne sound like Jodi Mitchell

that's how bad TS is...

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falloff THIS thread is so over now! lol

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Reply #34 posted 12/17/14 7:11am

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Militant said:

She made the most interesting pop record of the year, IMO, and she writes all of her songs herself, and plays guitar and piano, so that's more than you can say for a lot of her peers.

There aren't many to begin with. I'll admit she's probably the realest pop star we have but her music isn't as good as she is natural. She's annoying and that annoyance reflects in her lame music. It is a perk that she writes her own songs and can competently play a few instruments but once again, that doesn't make her great at it aimply because she's one of the very few that do in this era of mainstream music.
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Reply #35 posted 12/17/14 7:27am

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I don't particularly care for her music or stage presence either, but I wouldn't say anybody who has won all those awards and sold all those records "sucks". To each their own. shrug

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Reply #36 posted 12/18/14 12:56am

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Ick, this is not music, it is aural vomit. We all hate her I hope. Please say yes.

I honestly don't think she does. She can play instruments and write songs that tap into what a large swath of the record buying public OBVIOUSLY wants to hear. But as I said in another thread, it all just strikes me as being hugely disingenuous. Like, I honestly believe that she is so talented, and so smart, that she's manipulating the entire music industry to HER OWN BENEFIT, and I just can't hate on that. Not even a little bit. Also, she's very much still a child, ya know? She's one that I expect, at some point, will decide to take all her skill and talent, apply it to something more adult and do something that completely blows minds. That being said, I will agree with your assessment of her current output. This new album makes me want to call her bad words. Just, bleck. Plus, it pisses me off that she cried country for so long and then said, "haha, just kidding". But again, that's all part of her growing up and finding herself, so I'll forgive her when she gets around to doing something with a bit more artistic weight.

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Reply #37 posted 12/18/14 9:35am

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Taylor writes her own music and the lyrics to her own songs. She listens to her fans and puts out the music she knows her fans love. That's why she's on top of the musical world right now. In dramatic contrast we have...Prince. Who usually threaten lawsuits towards his fans for youtube videos (that has snippets of his music), thking pictures at his shows, refuse autographs, takes down all his social media sites that connects with his fans, and issued cease and desist notices to fan club magazines and websites, over already public pictures of him. Refusal to offer his fans an album, reunion that they have been asking for, for decades. This is but a small portion is why Prince's career is currently in the dumps. You will have to be the most extreme purple kool-aid drinker not to see this.

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Reply #38 posted 12/18/14 5:48pm

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But...but...she's a legend. Isn't she?!

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Reply #39 posted 12/18/14 7:15pm

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I don't like her music, but it's fine by me if others do.

What does bother me is the crazy sexist, misogynist commentary above. Can't we talk about her music and compliment/make fun of her without talking about dicks in her mouth or how she's good for only blowjobs? What year is this?!
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Reply #40 posted 12/19/14 8:52am

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KingSausage said:

I don't like her music, but it's fine by me if others do. What does bother me is the crazy sexist, misogynist commentary above. Can't we talk about her music and compliment/make fun of her without talking about dicks in her mouth or how she's good for only blowjobs? What year is this?!


I know, it's pathetic and sadly typical.

Anyway, her music and abilities are a bit better than they were before. She used to be absolutely dreadful live but she's at least somewhat bearable now. Her song writing is almost always a collaborative effort so I'm not so sure she can be considered much of a songwriter - lyricist maybe.


And I agree with whoever said she comes off as very disingenuous.

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Reply #41 posted 12/20/14 4:33pm

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One thing that doesn't suck about her is her property portfolio - she is making SERIOUS bank. Haters gonna hate shrug
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Reply #42 posted 12/21/14 8:47am

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mynameisnotsusan said:

One thing that doesn't suck about her is her property portfolio - she is making SERIOUS bank. Haters gonna hate shrug

There isn't a single thing about her that would require any type of hate.

She is weak as an artist and that is what attracts her 2 the music buying public.

Good 4 her.....bad 4 the ears.

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Reply #43 posted 12/21/14 1:06pm

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I don't own any of her albums - her music isn't meant to speak to me but she is hooked into a generation of younger women. Whether you like it or not she's conquering the world!


http://mobile.nytimes.com...=&_r=0


The Year of Taylor Swift


Taylor Swift wore Oscar de la Renta at this year’s Metropolitan Museum of Art Costume Institute Gala Benefit.
ERIN BAIANO FOR THE NEW YORK TIMES
By MATTHEW SCHNEIER
DECEMBER 19, 2014
The Taylor Swift trajectory has unfurled with the cheery and ironclad inevitability of a Taylor Swift song. Like you or I, Taylor Swift was once 15, an age when (as documented in her song “Fifteen”), she was a lanky outsider “laughing at the other girls who think they’re so cool” promising “we’ll be outta here as soon as we can.”

And how.

Ms. Swift, whose public persona has veered from gawky to lovelorn, is now, at 25, the cool girl (albeit one very willing to poke fun at her own dance moves). Her rise has been steady over the course of a decade, but in 2014, she has soared to new heights.

She deaccessioned her twang, slipped the bonds of country music and traded her Nashville home (where America’s songbird sometimes received visitors in a human-sized birdcage, a décor touch ripe for analysis) for a loft in TriBeCa. She released a best-selling album, took on Spotify, performed at the Victoria’s Secret show and turned a tabloid reputation for man-trap desperation on its head, emerging as a single-and-loving-it cheerleader for girl power.


Slide Show | Taylor Swift’s Year in Style Her rise has been steady over a decade, but in 2014, she has soared to new heights.
FREDERIC J BROWN / AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE — GETTY IMAGES
The young woman who wrote, not long ago, about idling unappreciated on the sidelines, passed over by the would-be boyfriend in favor of the proverbial cheerleader, has become both the most popular girl around, with a clique of BFFs — including Karlie Kloss, Lena Dunham and Lorde — in her corner.


Ms. Swift’s latest album, “1989,” her first under the aegis of pop, arrived in October and in its first week sold 1.287 million copies, more than any of her competitors in first-week sales, and more than any album in that time period since 2002.

Ms. Swift now sits at the head of the popular table — accessorized with a new haircut and a subtly but distinctly updated sense of style, a sharpened version of her country-mouse retro look of yore — where the goings-on are visible to all via Instagram. There, Ms. Swift’s 15.8 million followers can glimpse her and Ms. Kloss having a Motown-and-makeup dance party as they prep for the Met Gala; her and Hailee Steinfeld baking cookies.

Around midnight on Oct. 27, the date “1989” dropped, social media echoed with the praise of her famous friends.


Ms. Swift and the Victoria’s Secret Angel Karlie Kloss, right, after the 2014 Victoria’s Secret fashion show.
GARETH CATTERMOLE / GETTY IMAGES FOR VICTORIA'S SECRET
“OMG 1989 IS OUT WHAT A DAY. so proud of my sista,” tweeted Lorde.

“It’s happening people — @TaylorSwift’s album is out now. She is a true friend/true artist and the only person who makes me wanna exult in nature. Very proud. This record will blow you away,” posted Ms. Dunham on Instagram, alongside a picture of her and Ms. Swift nuzzling on a beach.

“I think she’s made friendship cool,” said Cindi Leive, the editor of Glamour, the first big fashion magazine to put Ms. Swift on its cover, back in 2009. (Ms. Swift returned three times after that, including for Glamour’s 75th anniversary issue this spring. That issue became the magazine’s newsstand best-seller of the year, according to data from the Alliance for Audited Media.)“That’s sort of how women live now,” Ms. Leive said. “Everyone’s getting married later, but they don’t necessarily live close to their family. Your girl pack, your posse, is much more important than it might have been 5 or 10 years ago. I think she’s tapped into that in a really powerful way.”

Ms. Swift was by no means unfamous or unloved before — winning armfuls of Grammys and Country Music Association Awards and topping charts — but the world is crowding to her party now. Rolling Stone touted “The Reinvention of Taylor Swift.” Time magazine paid tribute to “The Power of Taylor Swift.” For BloombergBusinessweek, she is nothing less than the music industry itself.


Fashion, despite its habitual readiness to rally around a pop star, may be the one latecomer to Ms. Swift’s party. Beyoncé, Rihanna, Katy Perry and Lady Gaga have all been courted by megabrands, seated front row and dressed in custom creations on tour. The Council of Fashion Designers of America crowned Rihanna and Lady Gaga fashion icons; Puma announced Tuesday that Rihanna would also be its women’s creative director.

By contrast, Ms. Swift has generally kept her own counsel (and that of her longtime stylist, Joseph Cassell).

Her patronage has been a boon for smaller labels.

“She’s appealing to a broader range of people now,” said Jordana Warmflash, the designer of Novis, an upstart New York label, whose block-plaid Kandinsky coat immediately began generating press and selling on her website when Ms. Swift wore it. “I don’t think that the teen population is really buying $2,000 coats.”

For the red carpet, Ms. Swift has returned time and again to J. Mendel, whose luxurious image is somewhat at odds with her former country image. Gilles Mendel, its creative director, dressed Ms. Swift and took her as his date to the Met Gala in 2011 and 2013. (At this year’s Gala, Ms. Swift attended with Oscar de la Renta, who custom-made a gown for her.)

Both Ms. Warmflash and Mr. Mendel said that her style has evolved in recent years. Ms. Swift and Mr. Cassell have endeavored to make it “a little bit more fashion-forward than it had been before,” Ms. Warmflash said. (“I’m not sure if I’m supposed to say this,” Ms. Warmflash added, “but I didn’t really realize how big of a deal she was.”)

“Her direction has been very, very inspiring in many ways,” Mr. Mendel said last week, at a presentation of his prefall collection, where the model in the accompanying photos bore a more-than-passing resemblance to Ms. Swift. “Even though we live in a different world and people from the outside say ‘Taylor Swift?’ ”

Would the rest of the fashion world soon be playing catch-up? “Absolutely,” Mr. Mendel said.

The needle may already be moving.

In December, at the Billboard Women in Music Awards luncheon, where she was celebrated as the magazine’s Woman of the Year, a Vogue reporter was seen trailing Ms. Swift, in apparent preparation for a profile. (When Ms. Swift made her only appearance on Vogue’s cover in 2012, the magazine promised “A Cool New Look,” suggesting a bit of necessary style rehab.)

And Michael Kors, who dressed Ms. Swift for the American Music Awards in November in a gown that honored her signature style predilection — to bare her midriff but not her navel — recently cited her as one of the muses of his pre-fall collection. It included a very Swiftian polka-dot bikini, revealing that same tasteful slice of lower rib cage.

“I think that in general it’s probably a little bit harder for an American pop star who originally comes from country to get taken seriously in the fashion world,” Ms. Leive said. “But at this point, she’s got nothing left to prove.”
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Reply #44 posted 12/21/14 5:24pm

Zannaloaf

Not the music - the delivery - see this.

http://www.endlessnoise.c...fts-style/


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Reply #45 posted 12/22/14 8:38am

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IMO, Taylor Swift represents all that is right in music and the world. No one is cooler than her, not even Prince.

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Reply #46 posted 12/22/14 9:24am

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generic shopping mall music

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Reply #47 posted 12/22/14 5:43pm

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RodeoSchro said:

IMO, Taylor Swift represents all that is right in music and the world. No one is cooler than her, not even Prince.

lol

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Reply #48 posted 12/23/14 3:21pm

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In short, yes. She is dreadful, terrible, awful. And, worse yet, she's EVERYWHERE.

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Reply #49 posted 12/23/14 4:45pm

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Reply #50 posted 12/23/14 5:16pm

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She's decent and cute. No ass whatsoever.
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Reply #51 posted 12/23/14 6:00pm

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Pokeno4Money said:



I don't particularly care for her music or stage presence either, but I wouldn't say anybody who has won all those awards and sold all those records "sucks". To each their own. shrug


I think we have Kanye and that moment to thank for solidifying her fame ten times over. White America has lovingly rewarded her for surviving that terrible moment with the scary black man. That interruption is the gift that keeps on giving. She's the Nicole Brown-Simpson who got away.

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Reply #52 posted 12/24/14 5:15am

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Holy shit, I just heard this at work. I knew that the girl couldn't sing live but I can't believe that a this was actually released as a finished studio recording. The vocals are horrendous.



She's improved vocally at least. She really used to be awful.

The spelling in that video is hilarious.

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Reply #53 posted 12/24/14 6:31am

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Debbie Gibson was a hundred times more palatable then Taylor Swift. People got annoyed with Debbie GIbson's over the top girl next doorishness and good two shoesness, but at least it can be said that she had a couple of good mainstream pop records that could more or less hold their own as pop records and by good I mean they had recognizable LIFEFORCE in them even if they weren't everyon'e particular style musically.

The REAL comparision that should be made, of course, is with Dolly Parton. Even the briefest ruffle through the Dolly discography immediately puts the lie to any claim of musical or cultural relevance/vibrancy/currency of the phenomenon known as Taylor Swift. If Dolly is our yardstick, Taylor Swift is nothing more than chruch or high school talent show filler.

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Reply #54 posted 12/24/14 7:29am

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hardwork said:

Debbie Gibson was a hundred times more palatable then Taylor Swift. People got annoyed with Debbie GIbson's over the top girl next doorishness and good two shoesness, but at least it can be said that she had a couple of good mainstream pop records that could more or less hold their own as pop records and by good I mean they had recognizable LIFEFORCE in them even if they weren't everyon'e particular style musically.

The REAL comparision that should be made, of course, is with Dolly Parton. Even the briefest ruffle through the Dolly discography immediately puts the lie to any claim of musical or cultural relevance/vibrancy/currency of the phenomenon known as Taylor Swift. If Dolly is our yardstick, Taylor Swift is nothing more than chruch or high school talent show filler.

Yep. Everything you said is true. Taylor Swift should be singing at a Friday night karaoke at the local bar and that's about it.

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Reply #55 posted 12/24/14 8:04am

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NoVideo said:

hardwork said:

Debbie Gibson was a hundred times more palatable then Taylor Swift. People got annoyed with Debbie GIbson's over the top girl next doorishness and good two shoesness, but at least it can be said that she had a couple of good mainstream pop records that could more or less hold their own as pop records and by good I mean they had recognizable LIFEFORCE in them even if they weren't everyon'e particular style musically.

The REAL comparision that should be made, of course, is with Dolly Parton. Even the briefest ruffle through the Dolly discography immediately puts the lie to any claim of musical or cultural relevance/vibrancy/currency of the phenomenon known as Taylor Swift. If Dolly is our yardstick, Taylor Swift is nothing more than chruch or high school talent show filler.

Yep. Everything you said is true. Taylor Swift should be singing at a Friday night karaoke at the local bar and that's about it.

Zero talent.

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Reply #56 posted 12/24/14 9:32am

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Graycap23 said:

NoVideo said:

Yep. Everything you said is true. Taylor Swift should be singing at a Friday night karaoke at the local bar and that's about it.

Zero talent.

Agreed. And I'm seeing her album on critics year-end lists (some, not all). What are they smoking to make that artificial, tedius, inane crap sound good to their ears? I need some of that shit.

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Reply #57 posted 12/26/14 9:44am

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JustErin said:

KingSausage said:

I don't like her music, but it's fine by me if others do. What does bother me is the crazy sexist, misogynist commentary above. Can't we talk about her music and compliment/make fun of her without talking about dicks in her mouth or how she's good for only blowjobs? What year is this?!


I know, it's pathetic and sadly typical.

Anyway, her music and abilities are a bit better than they were before. She used to be absolutely dreadful live but she's at least somewhat bearable now. Her song writing is almost always a collaborative effort so I'm not so sure she can be considered much of a songwriter - lyricist maybe.


And I agree with whoever said she comes off as very disingenuous.



Honestly, it's not, she has single writing credits on about half of the songs she's ever recorded, and the other half are ideas she takes to producers or other artists (usually) that she's hand picked to work with, not the other way around like it is with most current "pop stars". She writes music on the guitar and piano, and I saw her play both of those and banjo very well in a live settings (took my neice a few years back when she was too young to go on her own). She also produces her music both on her own and in tandem with the people she chooses to work with. All of this is a big part of why I believe she is actully very talented, even though I thoroughly dislike her music.

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