BlackCat1985 said:

alphastreet said:

The industry does a better job of discrediting than anyone. Mj was under Sony too at the same time and of course that corporation bigger than virgin went the extra mile at some point to make their roster stand out eg. Boosting Mariah's numbers, selling her singles cheaply etc. I always say janet is underrated and doesn't get enough dues, with her success one had to really keep up cause something or someone would always end up being more remembered from her most successful years.

but the whole notion that others were more remembered during that actual time is not really true.people look at janet's entire career based on post-nipplegate reactions.during her peak janet was sort of a media darling,she was one of the most consistant artists.she got the biggest record deal in history,she was definately at the top of her game, so much so her brother went to her for a duet.i dont see how anybody whowas around during her peak can say janet was behind her peers,93-94 she was everywhere,it seemed like mtv was doing specials with her every month.

alphastreet said:

BlackCat1985 said:

Exactly! Janet had to be doing something right how else would she be ranked as #2 on Billboard's artist of the decade. If she was behind all of her peers then she would have been some where at #4,5,or 6. But she wasn't. And no way in hell did Toni Braxton's debut album out sell the Janet album. I have never heard that before.

In the us it was about 7 or 8 times platinum, I'm certain I read it years ago and was surprised cause she seemed way bigger during secrets.

there is no toni braxton album in the top 100, which stops at 6 million.

Both Toni Braxton & Secrets are certified for 8x Platinum. I believe janet. is certified for 6x or 7x but I'm sure she passed 7 million at SoundScan.

amazing how people always have to argue about something

alphastreet said:

mjscarousal said:

I would place Whitney in 1992 and Janet in 1993. Sales is not the only popularity indicator but it is still a factor. Janet was big in the 90's but even her biggest selling albums did not sell more than her peers. Saying that does not mean someone is trying to bash her but there is simply no getting around that fact!

Would still give 93 to Whitney since bodyguard came out tail end of 92 and there was no getting away from it. Janet is my personal preference but Whitney was bigger than anyone that time

That was a huge era, very Iconic.

So would you place Whitney in 1993 and Janet in 1994?

lowkey said:

alphastreet said:

The industry does a better job of discrediting than anyone. Mj was under Sony too at the same time and of course that corporation bigger than virgin went the extra mile at some point to make their roster stand out eg. Boosting Mariah's numbers, selling her singles cheaply etc. I always say janet is underrated and doesn't get enough dues, with her success one had to really keep up cause something or someone would always end up being more remembered from her most successful years.

but the whole notion that others were more remembered during that actual time is not really true.people look at janet's entire career based on post-nipplegate reactions.during her peak janet was sort of a media darling,she was one of the most consistant artists.she got the biggest record deal in history,she was definately at the top of her game, so much so her brother went to her for a duet.i dont see how anybody whowas around during her peak can say janet was behind her peers,93-94 she was everywhere,it seemed like mtv was doing specials with her every month.

The problem is people name dropping other artists when there is a Janet related topic

Whenever there is a discussion about her on blogs 95% of the time someone is going to bring up her big bro,Madonna & Beyonce gets thrown into the mix alot which leads to stan wars I don't get it at all.

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lowkey said:

mjscarousal said:

I would place Whitney in 1992 and Janet in 1993. Sales is not the only popularity indicator but it is still a factor. Janet was big in the 90's but even her biggest selling albums did not sell more than her peers. Saying that does not mean someone is trying to bash her but there is simply no getting around that fact!

but when you say things like she didnt sell as much as her peers thats very misleading. as was just proven with the janet. album compared to mariah's album that year the sales were very close yet one album is undercertified while the other is way overcertified.its easy to throw out these gigantic numbers for worldwide sales since there is no official tracking. i may be wrong but i highly doubt an album that sold a little over 7 million in the us went on to sell over 30 million worldwide.im not saying you are trying to bash janet it just seems like its a natural reaction to diminish whatever she's accomplished. i really think its a jackson thing,people just naturally dont wanna accept that one of mj's siblings was really successful. RN was the top selling album of 1990, that means she outsold whichever peers had albums out at that time.she didnt release as many albums in the 90s as mariah yet she was billboard's #2 artist of the decade.

I really do not see how it is misleading. I have made it clear Janet deserves another rank position on the list. I don't see how this has anything to do with MJ. I just dont see how bringing up sells necessarily means one is trying to diminish a artists impact. We are talking about a lot of different things, not just sells.

mjscarousal said:

mjscarousal said:

lowkey said:

This list is a joke. Once again, paid by Mariah too boost her failing career. The list doesn't even correlate with Billboard's top female artists of the year. I love Madonna, but in 1986, she was ranked as the number 2 artist of the year. Whitney was ranked as number one that year.

You have to understand how these lists work. They are paid for or influenced by PR executives.

phillymonster said:

This list is a joke. Once again, paid by Mariah too boost her failing career. The list doesn't even correlate with Billboard's top female artists of the year. I love Madonna, but in 1986, she was ranked as the number 2 artist of the year. Whitney was ranked as number one that year.

You have to understand how these lists work. They are paid for or influenced by PR executives.

And there it is....

phillymonster said:

This list is a joke. Once again, paid by Mariah too boost her failing career. The list doesn't even correlate with Billboard's top female artists of the year. I love Madonna, but in 1986, she was ranked as the number 2 artist of the year. Whitney was ranked as number one that year.

You have to understand how these lists work. They are paid for or influenced by PR executives.

And there it is....

Mariah

mjscarousal said:

phillymonster said:

This list is a joke. Once again, paid by Mariah too boost her failing career. The list doesn't even correlate with Billboard's top female artists of the year. I love Madonna, but in 1986, she was ranked as the number 2 artist of the year. Whitney was ranked as number one that year.

You have to understand how these lists work. They are paid for or influenced by PR executives.

And there it is....

Exactly phillymonster. I could tell looking through this list that money exchanged hands to get some (but not all) of these women to be mentioned multiple times on this list. Most if not all these kinds of list are not based on any kind of legitimate research, but are influnced by PR execs or the heads of record lables & $$.

"PR executives" really care that much about a VH-1 rank list? I have to imagine that that are much bigger fish to fry than what some random VH-1 list says about who was the most important female pop artist 10, 15, 20+ years ago.

alphastreet said:

BlackCat1985 said:

alphastreet said:

I think myself and others who remember those years taking place would agree with the majority of this list Though it would have been great for janet in 1993 or 94, Mariah and Whitney were bigger. Janet had awesome mtv specials but Mariah was promoted on big networks and doing specials and rounds there. Janet not that much unless it was for award shows, she seemed to be on mtv the most. Janet's oprah interview during velvet rope was called her first major television interview during the airing, was kind of surprised to hear they considering she was popular for years. I can see why others got it first though now hearing info of music box sales being compared is weird [Edited 10/28/14 18:05pm]

I always thought it strange how Janet's first major TV interview was done in 1997 with Oraph. Like you said she was very successful for years before it. I remember reading years before that interview that she didn't really like giving TV interview because she was so shy. Janet is a Jackson if she really wanted to get a Oprah interview she could especially back then. So I don't think it had anything to do with others getting it first.

What I meant was, a larger number of people had access to those big networks where Oprah, Arsenio etc. aired, and the big tv shows, not everyone had MTV, where janet got the most exposure. Of course they would have wanted her on the shows without a doubt (by got it in previous post, I meant positions on the lists, not those shows then), I didn't know she didn't like giving interviews though it's obvious she was painfully shy though still doing promo tours all over the place for smaller networks and music channels around the world during her pre-VR days, even at muchmusic. But doing SNL and New Year's Eve during the janet. era gave her exposure and helped sales and got her more top 5 hit singles right. During a time when madonna had a potty mouth during promo, she was making it all about the music.

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IIAGY said:

Bet if we waited until December Taylor would top 2014, especially with her album about to sell 1M first week...her 3rd consecutive time. Surprised 2001 wasn't Alicia...heck 2007 too, "No One" was one of the biggest songs of the 2000s. And Adele should be 2011. IIRC Rolling was released in January of that year, album in March and 2 other #1 singles, not to mention a huge DVD release and a diamond album.

Umbrella by Rihanna was way bigger than Alicia in 2007.

And yes Taylor completely obliterated the competition this year.

LiveToTell86 said:

alphastreet said:

I think myself and others who remember those years taking place would agree with the majority of this list Though it would have been great for janet in 1993 or 94, Mariah and Whitney were bigger. Janet had awesome mtv specials but Mariah was promoted on big networks and doing specials and rounds there. Janet not that much unless it was for award shows, she seemed to be on mtv the most. Janet's oprah interview during velvet rope was called her first major television interview during the airing, was kind of surprised to hear they considering she was popular for years. I can see why others got it first though now hearing info of music box sales being compared is weird [Edited 10/28/14 18:05pm]

know whats funny, i saw a list on another site from billboard magazine where they listed the female artists of each year from 1980-2013 and it was very different from this thing. and guess what janet was billboard's female artists of the year for 1990 and 1993. mariah was 92,94 and i think 96. like someone mentioned shania twain she was female artists of the year for 98, beyonce was not on the list for any year.

LiveToTell86 said:

IIAGY said:

Bet if we waited until December Taylor would top 2014, especially with her album about to sell 1M first week...her 3rd consecutive time. Surprised 2001 wasn't Alicia...heck 2007 too, "No One" was one of the biggest songs of the 2000s. And Adele should be 2011. IIRC Rolling was released in January of that year, album in March and 2 other #1 singles, not to mention a huge DVD release and a diamond album.

Umbrella by Rihanna was way bigger than Alicia in 2007.

And yes Taylor completely obliterated the competition this year.

I have not a clue why she is famous but I think she has as well.

lowkey said:

alphastreet said:

lowkey said:

know whats funny, i saw a list on another site from billboard magazine where they listed the female artists of each year from 1980-2013 and it was very different from this thing. and guess what janet was billboard's female artists of the year for 1990 and 1993. mariah was 92,94 and i think 96. like someone mentioned shania twain she was female artists of the year for 98, beyonce was not on the list for any year.

How many weeks at number 1 or top 5 did janet have in 93 alone? She had 3 top 5s, 2 of which were number ones. Mariah had two number ones that year, so maybe that's why? Plus janet album was 3 times platinum in a short time and in the top 5 for many months. I can't speak for music box but would love to hear those stats for 1993 alone if anyone has it

i haveno idea, the only time i find out stats is when i come across a billboard article or list, other than that the artists camps/fanbases pretty much write their own history. considering mariah and janet's album sales for this era wasnt as far apart as previously assumed you never know what was going on chart wise unless like i said you look it up. i learned that perception is often greater than reality,thats why i hardly argue about numbers unless i see it for myself in billboard, which is the actual source of these charts and stats in the first place.