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The Atlantic: Janet Jackson is the most significant female musical artist of the '80s

The Nation That Janet Jackson Built

Twenty five years later, the political message and musical innovation on Rhythm Nation 1814 is more signifiant than ever, though less appreciated than it should be.
JOSEPH VOGELSEP 15 2014, 11:18 AM ET
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The most culturally significant female artist of the 1980s? Janet Jackson.

I realize that’s a big claim for a decade that included such talents as Whitney Houston, Tina Turner, Annie Lennox, Cyndi Lauper, and Madonna. It may seem even more dubious given the fact that Janet really only emerged as a major figure in 1986 with the release of Control—and only released two substantial albums over the course of the decade. Janet didn’t have the vocal prowess of Whitney Houston, or the poetic subtlety of Kate Bush; she didn’t have Annie Lennox’s penchant for the avant-garde or Madonna’s predilection for shock.

But none of these artists achieved the cross-racial impact (particularly on youth culture) of Janet. And none of them had an album like Rhythm Nation 1814.


In his Rolling Stone cover story, journalist David Ritz compared Rhythm Nation 1814, released 25 years ago today, to Marvin Gaye’s landmark 1971 album What’s Going On—a pairing that might seem strange, if not sacrilege. But think about it, and the comparison makes a lot of sense. Both albums are hard-won attempts by black musicians to be taken seriously as songwriters and artists—to communicate something meaningful in the face of great pressure to conform to corporate formulas. Both are concept albums with socially conscious themes addressing poverty, injustice, drug abuse, racism and war. Both blended the sounds, struggles, and voices of the street with cutting-edge studio production. Both fused the personal and the political. And both connected in profound ways with their respective cultural zeitgeists.

Yet while What’s Going On has rightfully been recognized as one of the great albums of the 20th century, Rhythm Nation’s significance has been largely forgotten. At the time, though, it was undeniable: For three solid years (1989-1991), the album ruled the pop universe, the last major multimedia blockbuster of the 1980s. During that time, all seven of its commercial singles soared into the top five of the Billboard Hot 100 (including five songs that reached No. 1), surpassing a seemingly impossible record set by brother Michael’s Thriller (the first album to generate seven Top 10 hits). Janet’s record has yet to be broken.

During its reign, Rhythm Nation shifted more than seven million copies in the U.S., sitting atop the charts for six weeks in 1989 before becoming the bestselling album of 1990. It was the first album in history to produce No. 1 hits in three separate years (1989, 1990, 1991). Meanwhile, its innovative music videos—including the iconic militant imagery and intricate choreography of the title track—were ubiquitous on MTV.

But its impact was far more than commercial. Rhythm Nation was a transformative work that arrived at a transformative moment. Released in 1989—the year of Spike Lee’s Do the Right Thing, protests at Tiananmen Square, and the fall of the Berlin Wall—its sounds, its visuals, its messaging spoke to a generation in transition, at once empowered and restless. The Reagan Era was over. The cultural anxiety about what was next, however, was palpable.

The 1980s were a paradoxical decade, particularly for African-Americans. It was an era of both increased possibility and poverty, visibility and invisibility. The revolution of the pop-cultural landscape was undeniable. “Crossover” icons like Janet, Michael, Prince, and Whitney shattered racialized narrowcasting on radio, television and film, while hip hop emerged as the most important musical movement since rock and roll. The Cosby Show changed the color of television, as Spike Lee and the New Black Cinema infiltrated Hollywood. Oprah Winfrey began her reign on daytime television, while Arsenio Hall’s hip late-night talk show drew some of the biggest names in America. By 1989, from Michael Jordan to Eddie Murphy to Tracy Chapman, black popular culture had never been more prominent in the American mainstream. Over the course of the decade, the black middle and upper class more than doubled and integrated into all facets of American life, from college campuses to the media to politics.

But there was a flip side to this narrative—the decay and abandonment of inner cities, the crack epidemic, the AIDS crisis, the huge spike in arrests and incarceration (particularly of young black men), and the widening gap between the haves and have-nots, including within the black community. By the end of the 1980s, nearly 50 percent of black children were living below the poverty line This was the reality early hip hop often spoke to and for. Chuck D. famously described rap as “CNN for black people.”

It was these voices, these struggles, these ongoing divides and injustices that Janet Jackson wanted to represent in Rhythm Nation 1814. “We have so little time to solve these problems,” she told journalist Ritz in a 1990 interview. “I want people to realize the urgency. I want to grab their attention. Music is my way of doing that.” Pop stars, she recognized, had unprecedented multimedia platforms—and she was determined to use hers to do more than simply entertain. “I wanted to reflect, not just react,” she said. “I re-listened to those artists who moved me most when I was younger ... Stevie Wonder, Joni Mitchell, Marvin Gaye. These were people who woke me up to the responsibility of music. They were beautiful singers and writers who felt for others. They understood suffering.”

Twenty-five years later, those songs still pop with passion and energy. Listen to the signature bass of the title track, based on a sample loop of Sly Stone’s “Thank You (Falletinme Be Mice Elf Again),” and the dense textures of noise that accentuate the song’s urgency. Listen to the funky New Jack riff in “State of the World,” again surrounded by a collage of street sounds—sirens, barking dogs, muffled screams—as Janet narrates vignettes of quiet desperation. Listen to the industrial, Public Enemy-like sermon of “The Knowledge.” The opening suite of songs feel like being inside a sonic factory: machines spurt, hiss, and rattle, as if unaccountably left on; glass breaks, metal stomps and clashes. All this is juxtaposed, of course, with Janet’s intimate, feathery voice, making it even more striking.

A sprawling 12-track manifesto (plus interludes), Rhythm Nation acknowledges this suffering and transfuses it into communal power. It was Janet’s second collaboration with Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis, the talented duo from Minneapolis who miraculously merged elements of three existing musical strands—Prince, Michael, and hip hop—into something entirely fresh and unique. The Flyte Tyme sound featured angular, staccato-synth bottoms, often overlaid with warm, melodic tops. The sound was tailored to Janet’s strengths: her rhythmic sensibility, her gorgeous stacked harmonies, her openness to new sounds, and her wide musical palette. Jam and Lewis also took the time to learn who Janet was, who she wanted to be, and what she wanted to say, and helped translate those sentiments and ideas into lyrics. On Rhythm Nation, Janet wrote or co-wrote seven of the album’s 12 songs, interweaving social and personal themes.
Listen to how she sings in a lower register in the first verse of “Love Will Never Do (Without You),” then goes up an octave in the second, before the chorus nearly lifts you off the ground. The album is full of sudden, unexpected shifts, as when the euphoric throb of “Escapade” transitions into the arena-rock stomp of “Black Cat.” On the final track, following the eerie strains of young children singing (“Living in a world that’s filled with hate/ Living in a world we didn’t create”), the album concludes as it began, with a somber bell tolling, perhaps a reference to John Donne’s famous dictum, “Ask not for whom the bell tolls/ It tolls for thee.”

Taken as a complete artistic statement, Rhythm Nation 1814 was a stunning achievement. It married the pleasures of pop with the street energy and edge of hip-hop. It was by turns dark and radiant, calculated and carefree, political and playful, sensual and austere, sermonic and liberating. If Control announced the arrival of a young woman ready to take the reins of her personal life and career,Rhythm Nation revealed a maturing artist, surveying the world around her, determined to wake people out of apathy, cynicism, indifference. Writes Slant’s Eric Henderson, “Rhythm Nation expanded Janet's range in every conceivable direction. She was more credibly feminine, more crucially masculine, more viably adult, more believably childlike. This was, of course, critical to a project in which Janet assumed the role of mouthpiece for a nationless, multicultural utopia.”

“We are a nation with no geographic boundaries,” declared Janet on the album’s introductory “pledge,” “pushing toward a world rid of color lines.” Just seven years earlier, black artists couldn’t get on MTV; FM radio was dominated by album-oriented (white) rock; and the music industry was largely segregated by genre. Now a black woman was at the helm of a new pop-cultural “nation,” preaching liberation through music and dance, while calling on her audience to keep up the struggle. For all the inroads, she insisted, the battle wasn’t over.


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Janet Jackson’s ascendance was significant for many reasons, not the least of which was how it coincided with (and spoke to) the rise of black feminism. Until the 1980s, feminism was dominated, by and large, by middle class white women. They defined its terms, its causes, its hierarchies, its representations, and its icons. It wasn’t, of course, that black feminists didn’t exist before the 1980s. From Sojourner Truth to Harriet Tubman to Ida B. Wells to Rosa Parks to Maya Angelou—black women made enormous contributions in the struggle for racial, gender, and class equality. But their contributions were often minimized, and their struggles marginalized. As Barbara Smith writes in her landmark 1977 essay, “Toward a Black Feminist Criticism,” “Black women’s existence, experience, and culture and the brutally complex systems of oppression which shape these are in the ‘real world’ of white and/or male consciousness beneath consideration, invisible, unknown ... It seems overwhelming to break such a massive silence.”

Black feminism, however, did just that in the 1980s. From Michelle Wallace’s bestselling Black Macho and the Myth of Superwoman (described by Ms. magazine as “the book that will shape the 80s”), to Alice Walker’s Pulitzer Prize-winning The Color Purple (which was adapted into a blockbuster film, directed by Steven Spielberg), black women achieved unprecedented breakthroughs over the course of the decade. In 1981, bell hooks released Ain’t I A Woman; in 1984, Audre Lorde published Sister Outsider; 1987 saw the arrival of Toni Morrison’sBeloved, perhaps the most universally canonized novel of the past 30 years. Appropriately capping the decade was Patricia Hill Collins’s Black Feminist Thought (1990), which documented and synthesized the flourishing movement’s central ideas and concerns. The book, Collins wrote, was intended to be “both individual and collective, personal and political, one reflecting the intersection of my unique biography with the larger meaning of my historical times.”

* * *

If there was one female artist in the 1980s who captured this spirit in popular music it was Janet Jackson in Rhythm Nation. It was an album that positioned a multifaceted, dynamic black woman as a leader, as someone whose ideas, experiences and emotions mattered. It challenged some of the most deeply entrenched scripts for women in popular culture. It also offered an alternative to the era’s other most powerful female icon: Madonna.

While they were not-so-friendly rivals, in certain ways Janet and Madonna helped trailblaze similar terrain. Both were strong, intelligent, fiercely ambitious artists. Neither expressed any reticence about their desire for mass commercial success. Both were engaged in similar struggles for respect, empowerment and agency in an industry dominated by men and male expectations. Both also faced serious pushback from music critics. In the 1980s, music reviews were frequently filtered through a rock-centric (read: white, male, and heteronormative) lens. “Pop creations” like Janet and Madonna were viewed with suspicion, if not outright contempt. The fact that they didn’t conform to traditional singer-songwriter expectations proved they lacked talent. The fact that they had talented collaborators and producers proved they lacked credibility. The fact that dance and image were important parts of their artistic presentation proved they lacked authenticity. As The New York Times’ Jon Pareles wrote in a 1990 review of Janet’s Rhythm Nation Tour: “Miss Jackson seems content simply to flesh out an image whose every move and utterance are minutely planned. Spontaneity has been ruled out; spectacle reigns, and the concert is as much a dance workout as a showcase for songs.”

In spite of such headwind, however, Janet and Madonna became two of the most influential icons of the late 20th century, each offering distinct versions of feminist liberation and empowerment to a generation of young people coming of age in the 1980s and 1990s. VH1 ranked them No. 1 and No. 2 respectively in their “50 Greatest Women of the Video Era.” On Billboard’s 2013 list of Top Artists in Hot 100 History, Madonna was No. 2 and Janet was No. 7. Over the course of their respective careers, Madonna has 12 No. 1 hits; Janet has 10. Madonna has 38 Top Ten singles; Janet has 27 (placing them both among the top 10 artists of all time). Both, meanwhile, have sold hundreds of millions of albums and influenced American culture in incalculable ways.

Yet in spite of their similar commercial achievements and cultural impact, Janet Jackson remains, by comparison, grossly undervalued by critics and historians. Try to find a book on her career, cultural significance, or creative work, and with the exception of her 2011 autobiography, True You: A Journey To Finding and Loving Yourself, which focuses on her struggles with body image and self-esteem, you will come up empty-handed. Do the same with Madonna, and you will find at least 20 books by major publishers.

Taken as a complete artistic statement, Rhythm Nation 1814 was a stunning achievement. It married the pleasures of pop with the street energy and edge of hip-hop. It was by turns dark and radiant, calculated and carefree, political and playful, sensual and austere, sermonic and liberating. If Control announced the arrival of a young woman ready to take the reins of her personal life and career,Rhythm Nation revealed a maturing artist, surveying the world around her, determined to wake people out of apathy, cynicism, indifference. Writes Slant’s Eric Henderson, “Rhythm Nation expanded Janet's range in every conceivable direction. She was more credibly feminine, more crucially masculine, more viably adult, more believably childlike. This was, of course, critical to a project in which Janet assumed the role of mouthpiece for a nationless, multicultural utopia.”

“We are a nation with no geographic boundaries,” declared Janet on the album’s introductory “pledge,” “pushing toward a world rid of color lines.” Just seven years earlier, black artists couldn’t get on MTV; FM radio was dominated by album-oriented (white) rock; and the music industry was largely segregated by genre. Now a black woman was at the helm of a new pop-cultural “nation,” preaching liberation through music and dance, while calling on her audience to keep up the struggle. For all the inroads, she insisted, the battle wasn’t over.

A black woman was at the helm of a new pop-cultural “nation,” preaching liberation through music and dance.

Janet Jackson’s ascendance was significant for many reasons, not the least of which was how it coincided with (and spoke to) the rise of black feminism. Until the 1980s, feminism was dominated, by and large, by middle class white women. They defined its terms, its causes, its hierarchies, its representations, and its icons. It wasn’t, of course, that black feminists didn’t exist before the 1980s. From Sojourner Truth to Harriet Tubman to Ida B. Wells to Rosa Parks to Maya Angelou—black women made enormous contributions in the struggle for racial, gender, and class equality. But their contributions were often minimized, and their struggles marginalized. As Barbara Smith writes in her landmark 1977 essay, “Toward a Black Feminist Criticism,” “Black women’s existence, experience, and culture and the brutally complex systems of oppression which shape these are in the ‘real world’ of white and/or male consciousness beneath consideration, invisible, unknown ... It seems overwhelming to break such a massive silence.”

Black feminism, however, did just that in the 1980s. From Michelle Wallace’s bestselling Black Macho and the Myth of Superwoman (described by Ms. magazine as “the book that will shape the 80s”), to Alice Walker’s Pulitzer Prize-winning The Color Purple (which was adapted into a blockbuster film, directed by Steven Spielberg), black women achieved unprecedented breakthroughs over the course of the decade. In 1981, bell hooks released Ain’t I A Woman; in 1984, Audre Lorde published Sister Outsider; 1987 saw the arrival of Toni Morrison’sBeloved, perhaps the most universally canonized novel of the past 30 years. Appropriately capping the decade was Patricia Hill Collins’s Black Feminist Thought (1990), which documented and synthesized the flourishing movement’s central ideas and concerns. The book, Collins wrote, was intended to be “both individual and collective, personal and political, one reflecting the intersection of my unique biography with the larger meaning of my historical times.”

* * *

If there was one female artist in the 1980s who captured this spirit in popular music it was Janet Jackson in Rhythm Nation. It was an album that positioned a multifaceted, dynamic black woman as a leader, as someone whose ideas, experiences and emotions mattered. It challenged some of the most deeply entrenched scripts for women in popular culture. It also offered an alternative to the era’s other most powerful female icon: Madonna.

While they were not-so-friendly rivals, in certain ways Janet and Madonna helped trailblaze similar terrain. Both were strong, intelligent, fiercely ambitious artists. Neither expressed any reticence about their desire for mass commercial success. Both were engaged in similar struggles for respect, empowerment and agency in an industry dominated by men and male expectations. Both also faced serious pushback from music critics. In the 1980s, music reviews were frequently filtered through a rock-centric (read: white, male, and heteronormative) lens. “Pop creations” like Janet and Madonna were viewed with suspicion, if not outright contempt. The fact that they didn’t conform to traditional singer-songwriter expectations proved they lacked talent. The fact that they had talented collaborators and producers proved they lacked credibility. The fact that dance and image were important parts of their artistic presentation proved they lacked authenticity. As The New York Times’ Jon Pareles wrote in a 1990 review of Janet’s Rhythm Nation Tour: “Miss Jackson seems content simply to flesh out an image whose every move and utterance are minutely planned. Spontaneity has been ruled out; spectacle reigns, and the concert is as much a dance workout as a showcase for songs.”

Janet and Madonna offered distinct versions of feminist liberation and empowerment.

In spite of such headwind, however, Janet and Madonna became two of the most influential icons of the late 20th century, each offering distinct versions of feminist liberation and empowerment to a generation of young people coming of age in the 1980s and 1990s. VH1 ranked them No. 1 and No. 2 respectively in their “50 Greatest Women of the Video Era.” On Billboard’s 2013 list of Top Artists in Hot 100 History, Madonna was No. 2 and Janet was No. 7. Over the course of their respective careers, Madonna has 12 No. 1 hits; Janet has 10. Madonna has 38 Top Ten singles; Janet has 27 (placing them both among the top 10 artists of all time). Both, meanwhile, have sold hundreds of millions of albums and influenced American culture in incalculable ways.

Yet in spite of their similar commercial achievements and cultural impact, Janet Jackson remains, by comparison, grossly undervalued by critics and historians. Try to find a book on her career, cultural significance, or creative work, and with the exception of her 2011 autobiography, True You: A Journey To Finding and Loving Yourself, which focuses on her struggles with body image and self-esteem, you will come up empty-handed. Do the same with Madonna, and you will find at least 20 books by major publishers.

The disparities are not simply in the amount of coverage, but in how each artist is interpreted and understood. In print coverage, both in the 1980s and today, Madonna is made the default representative of feminism and of the era (in a1990 editorial for the New York Times, cultural critic Camille Paglia famously declared her “the future of feminism”). Madonna was perceived as somehow more important and interesting, more clever and cerebral. Her sense of irony and play with sexuality made her more appealing to postmodernists than Janet’s socially conscious sincerity. In 1989, Madonna was named “Artist of the Decade” by Billboard and MTV. Since that time, the appreciation gap has only widened.

In 2008, Madonna was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. In spite of her trailblazing career, Janet has yet to receive the same honor. She has been eligible for six years. Many believe she is still being punished for the 2004 Super Bowl controversy often referred to as “Nipplegate,” the response to which has been described as "one of the worst cases of mass hysteria in America since the Salem witch trials."​ It is hard to believe, given the controversies surrounding just about every artist inducted into the Hall of Fame, that this would be used as a legitimate rationale for her exclusion. But then again, it’s hard to imagine how an artist of Janet’s stature has yet to be nominated.

Long before Beyoncé, Janet carved out a space for the openly feminist, multidimensional pop star. She created a blueprint that hundreds of thousands of artists have followed, from Britney Spears to Ciara to Lady Gaga. Rhythm Nation 1814 was the album that revolutionized her career and the pop landscape. It demonstrated that black women needn’t be second to anyone. But it wasn’t individualistic. Its rallying call was about the collective we. We could be a part of the creative utopia—the rhythm nation—regardless of race, gender, class, sexuality or difference. It made you want to dance and change the world at the same time. Unrealistic, perhaps. But 25 years later, it’s still hard to listen and not want to join the movement.

http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/09/the-world-changing-aspirations-of-rhythm-nation-1814/380144/2/

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Reply #2 posted 09/15/14 9:26am

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Janet more influential than Nippy or Madge??? Uh-oh! popcorn popcorn popcorn

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Reply #3 posted 09/15/14 9:36am

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I'd say it was Diane Warren.

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #4 posted 09/15/14 9:38am

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I love Whitney! But let's get real she was just a singer. Janet is an artist. What other female artist can come out with an album like Rhythm Nation and have it be as successful as it was. And before any of you say Madonna you know damn well that's a lie! Janet is due her just credit and I am here for it. Haters gonna hate, but this man speaks the truth!
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Reply #5 posted 09/15/14 9:44am

Musicslave

Wow, I guess everyone in the media haven't suffered amnesia. Usually articles like these are fan-made on some blog.

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Reply #6 posted 09/15/14 9:52am

purple05

kitbradley said:

Janet more influential than Nippy or Madge??? Uh-oh! popcorn popcorn popcorn

He said of the 80s.

Janet and Madonna are neck and neck overall but Janet doesnt receive the praise that she deserves.

Many of our black artist are still overlooked.

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Reply #7 posted 09/15/14 9:59am

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purple05 said:



kitbradley said:


Janet more influential than Nippy or Madge??? Uh-oh! popcorn popcorn popcorn




He said of the 80s.


Janet and Madonna are neck and neck overall but Janet doesnt receive the praise that she deserves.



Many of our black artist are still overlooked.


This is so true. I've always thought that Janet was just as influential as both Whitney and Madonna.
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Reply #8 posted 09/15/14 10:50am

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Besides Lovesexy and Control, I can't think of an album that made more impact on me than Rhythm Nation.

It's a perfect album.

It's pretty sad Janet doesn't get the praise, I think both Control and RN made a big impact on dance music.

For me it's all about the beats. I think Jimmy Jam said it right, Janet's voice is perfect for it, because her voice blends in with the beat. Just listen to Nasty. It would still sound out of this world even if it was released today.

I don't know if she was the most significant female artist of the 80's, I think Madonna made a bigger impact worldwide, but Janet made the most impact on me cloud9

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Reply #9 posted 09/15/14 2:02pm

HAPPYPERSON

I have talked about this MANY times ---> The Nation That Janet Jackson Built

Janet Jackson is one of the most (if not THE most) culturally significant female artists of the last 30 years.

Janet's impact had much greater breadth and depth than a Whitney Houston because she did more than sing ballads; she affected pop culture.

Few artists have both reflected and affected culture. Janet is on that list along with MJ, Prince, Mariah, Madonna and others.

That's why I cringe when people compare Beyonce or Rihanna's impact to Janet's legacy. They have yet to have true social impact

That's why Janet's fall was so dramatic. Her significance was so great that when she slipped, she shook the nation.

Remember, Janet Jackson's boob resulted in the rise of YouTube

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Reply #10 posted 09/15/14 2:33pm

HAPPYPERSON

Mixed reviews in regards this article

Janet Jackson is the most culturally significant female artist of the 1980s according to The Atlantic. Child, please.

I would argue that Whitney Houston was every bit as culturally significant during the 1980s as Janet Jackson, if not more.

And neither was more culturally significant than Madonna during the '80s. Case closed, casket dropped.

I will say that Janet Jackson's legacy has become undervalued since her prime.

Rhthym Nation was cool and all, but I'm sorry but, um, It Takes A Nation Of Millions by Public Enemy was infinitely better and more of a cultural phenomenon than anything Janet ever released.

And halfway through the essay, the author lost me when they started dropping the F bomb...feminism. Good grief Charlie Brown. Now Janet is a feminist like Beyonce and Nicki Minaj?!?! Wow. Ok, if you say so.

Maybe the author is trying to relive their past and remembers this album's impact in a completely different manner than me. I remember everything that was going on musically during this time period, and this album can't compete with Public Enemy.

I woukd say that Rapture by Anita Baker was probably the best album by a black female in the 80's..and that was just the first thing that came to mind.

Exactly, but this cat was around 13 to 15yrs old at the time, not on a college campus.
Yeah halfway through it he lost me as well with, Black Macho and the Myth of Superwoman, described by Ms. magazine as “the book that will shape the 80s” Ok so does anyone want to critique it's impact on the Black family and affect on the Black community? Don't think so.
And he conveniently forgets the 2 men behind Janet, but there's no role for them in his revisionist narrative. Too smart of a guy, so I can only assume that the omission was on purpose.

Yes, Anita and add Sade.

Janet Jackson has created a blueprint for numerous female artists that came after her. Please give her that respect. What makes her stand out significantly from young sex symbol artists today is her use of music to bring about a political movement in a NATION that this generation seems to so casually and frequently dismiss. Her music in this particular album was a cry for cause, for change, for union, but didn't make the impact that it should have, which I think is what this article was trying to articulate. Album sales, sold out stadiums, and hit singles records aside, Janet has without a doubt contributed immensely more to the music world, particularly R&B, pop, hip-hop & dance, than what is credited to her. Her legacy is cemented. This generation's young and new can do what they do today because of pioneers like Janet Jackson....and what she stood for... an artist with substance. it's just unfortunate that most don't pay their respect and don't give credit where it is due. Rhythm Nation 1814 was a masterpiece album that 25 years later, should finally get the celebration it so rightly deserves.

This was one of the more pointless, sophomoric, and misguided attempts at a think piece that I've ever seen. I've come to expect more from the Atlantic. There was little to no actual evidence for the author's claims beyond vague quotes from the era and unfounded references to other pop-culture.

It reads like a lower-level gender studies or sociology term paper. Personally, I love analysis in the vein of entertainment, pop-culture, and the like. I think digging into the zeitgeist is absolutely necessary. But forcing myself to get to the end of this piece made me truly question the editors judgement. Come on guys, you're better than this.

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Reply #11 posted 09/15/14 2:39pm

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That's a really well-written article. Janet is getting some nice props here lately. Along with this article, there's another one in LA WEEKLY asking why she isn't in the RNR Hall of Fame yet. I agree that RN 1814 is probably one of the most still-relevant pop albums to come out of the '80s. Every social issue topic on that album is even more prevalent these days than when the album came out (violence against children, illiteracy, bigotry, social injustice, homelessness, drug use...). Her influence definitely speaks for itself. And then there's also one of her other big pop culture moments... lol

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Reply #12 posted 09/15/14 3:13pm

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purple05 said:



kitbradley said:


Janet more influential than Nippy or Madge??? Uh-oh! popcorn popcorn popcorn




He said of the 80s.


Janet and Madonna are neck and neck overall but Janet doesnt receive the praise that she deserves.



Many of our black artist are still overlooked.


Oh please, don't make this a race thing. It's Madonna.
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Reply #13 posted 09/15/14 3:37pm

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SuperSoulFighter said:

purple05 said:



kitbradley said:


Janet more influential than Nippy or Madge??? Uh-oh! popcorn popcorn popcorn




He said of the 80s.


Janet and Madonna are neck and neck overall but Janet doesnt receive the praise that she deserves.



Many of our black artist are still overlooked.


Oh please, don't make this a race thing. It's Madonna.


I strongly disagree! Maybe for mainstream white girls but definitely not for young black women of that time.
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Reply #14 posted 09/15/14 3:58pm

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Maybe in America but I'd never even heard of Janet until the 90s, and I'm an MJ and J5 fan. That's just how insignificant she was to kids here.

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Reply #15 posted 09/15/14 3:59pm

Scorp

Go Janet...Go Janet......

This friday will mark 25 years to the day Janet Jackson released RHYTHM NATION......1814

one of the greatest landmark albums ever by anyone......

been listening to it for the past 2 weeks......

imagine if this album was originally released in 2014, lord, would wipe everything off the map

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Reply #16 posted 09/15/14 4:07pm

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Yet in Europe the most success she had with the singles was a Number 10 hit in Switzerland!

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Reply #17 posted 09/15/14 4:49pm

lowkey

SuperSoulFighter said:

purple05 said:

He said of the 80s.

Janet and Madonna are neck and neck overall but Janet doesnt receive the praise that she deserves.

Many of our black artist are still overlooked.

Oh please, don't make this a race thing. It's Madonna.

but race is very important. didyou even read the guy's article? you have to look at from the perspective of black female artists at that time.like he said back then feminist was basically a middle class white female word.you have a young black woman cross racial barriers with a album like rhythm nation made a huge cultural impact.

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Reply #18 posted 09/15/14 5:09pm

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Ellie said:

Yet in Europe the most success she had with the singles was a Number 10 hit in Switzerland!

Not true.

"Together Again" was a massive worldwide success.

In the United Kingdom, the song entered the UK Singles Chart on December 13, 1997 at number four, and spent nineteen weeks inside the chart. It was certified Platinum by the British Phonographic Industry (BPI). "Together Again" also experienced success in other European markets. In Austria, it entered the singles chart at number twenty-five, eventually peaking number six and spending a total of fourteen weeks on the chart. In France, the song peaked at number two for ten weeks, and was certified Platinum by the Syndicat National de l'Édition Phonographique (SNEP). In Germany, it peaked at number two for two weeks and remaining on the German Singles Chart for twenty-four weeks. It was certified Platinum for 500,000 copies sold. In the Netherlands, "Together Again" entered the singles chart at number sixty-one during the week of December 13, 1997. It eventually peaked at number one, staying a total of thirty-two weeks on the chart. The Nederlandse Vereniging van Producenten en Importeurs van beeld- en geluidsdragers (NVPI) certified the single Gold for shipment of 10,000 copies. On the Swiss Singles Chart dated January 11, 1998, "Together Again" debuted at number thirteen. After two weeks, it peaked at number two and was later certified Gold by the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI).

"What Have You Done for Me Lately" was a #3 UK hit

"Let's Wait Awhile" was a #3 UK hit

"That's the Way Love Goes" was a #2 UK hit

"Again" was a #6 UK hit

"Whoops Now" was a #9 UK hit

"Runaway" was a #6 UK hit

"I Get Loney" was a #5 UK hit

"Doesn't Really Matter" was a #5 UK hit

"All For You" was a #3 UK hit

"The Best Things in Life Are Free" was a #2 hit

*She's also has several #1 UK R&B hits.

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Reply #19 posted 09/15/14 5:17pm

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Ellie said:

Yet in Europe the most success she had with the singles was a Number 10 hit in Switzerland!

Okay. You don't seem to like her, but give credit where credit is due. That's the way love goes was #2 in the UK. Let's wait a while and What have you done for me lately both went to #3 in the UK. She played plenty of arena dates in the UK. She was a household name in the 80s, even if you haven't heard of her then.

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Reply #20 posted 09/15/14 5:19pm

Scorp

SEANMAN said:

Ellie said:

Yet in Europe the most success she had with the singles was a Number 10 hit in Switzerland!

Not true.

"Together Again" was a massive worldwide success.

In the United Kingdom, the song entered the UK Singles Chart on December 13, 1997 at number four, and spent nineteen weeks inside the chart. It was certified Platinum by the British Phonographic Industry (BPI). "Together Again" also experienced success in other European markets. In Austria, it entered the singles chart at number twenty-five, eventually peaking number six and spending a total of fourteen weeks on the chart. In France, the song peaked at number two for ten weeks, and was certified Platinum by the Syndicat National de l'Édition Phonographique (SNEP). In Germany, it peaked at number two for two weeks and remaining on the German Singles Chart for twenty-four weeks. It was certified Platinum for 500,000 copies sold. In the Netherlands, "Together Again" entered the singles chart at number sixty-one during the week of December 13, 1997. It eventually peaked at number one, staying a total of thirty-two weeks on the chart. The Nederlandse Vereniging van Producenten en Importeurs van beeld- en geluidsdragers (NVPI) certified the single Gold for shipment of 10,000 copies. On the Swiss Singles Chart dated January 11, 1998, "Together Again" debuted at number thirteen. After two weeks, it peaked at number two and was later certified Gold by the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI).

"What Have You Done for Me Lately" was a #3 UK hit

"Let's Wait Awhile" was a #3 UK hit

"That's the Way Love Goes" was a #2 UK hit

"Again" was a #6 UK hit

"Whoops Now" was a #9 UK hit

"Runaway" was a #6 UK hit

"I Get Loney" was a #5 UK hit

"Doesn't Really Matter" was a #5 UK hit

"All For You" was a #3 UK hit

"The Best Things in Life Are Free" was a #2 hit

*She's also has several #1 UK R&B hits.

preach......lolll

we always got this thing called FACTS....

the ultimate checkmate

[Edited 9/15/14 17:21pm]

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Reply #21 posted 09/15/14 5:32pm

SEANMAN

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Scorp said:

SEANMAN said:

Not true.

"Together Again" was a massive worldwide success.

In the United Kingdom, the song entered the UK Singles Chart on December 13, 1997 at number four, and spent nineteen weeks inside the chart. It was certified Platinum by the British Phonographic Industry (BPI). "Together Again" also experienced success in other European markets. In Austria, it entered the singles chart at number twenty-five, eventually peaking number six and spending a total of fourteen weeks on the chart. In France, the song peaked at number two for ten weeks, and was certified Platinum by the Syndicat National de l'Édition Phonographique (SNEP). In Germany, it peaked at number two for two weeks and remaining on the German Singles Chart for twenty-four weeks. It was certified Platinum for 500,000 copies sold. In the Netherlands, "Together Again" entered the singles chart at number sixty-one during the week of December 13, 1997. It eventually peaked at number one, staying a total of thirty-two weeks on the chart. The Nederlandse Vereniging van Producenten en Importeurs van beeld- en geluidsdragers (NVPI) certified the single Gold for shipment of 10,000 copies. On the Swiss Singles Chart dated January 11, 1998, "Together Again" debuted at number thirteen. After two weeks, it peaked at number two and was later certified Gold by the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI).

"What Have You Done for Me Lately" was a #3 UK hit

"Let's Wait Awhile" was a #3 UK hit

"That's the Way Love Goes" was a #2 UK hit

"Again" was a #6 UK hit

"Whoops Now" was a #9 UK hit

"Runaway" was a #6 UK hit

"I Get Loney" was a #5 UK hit

"Doesn't Really Matter" was a #5 UK hit

"All For You" was a #3 UK hit

"The Best Things in Life Are Free" was a #2 hit

*She's also has several #1 UK R&B hits.

preach......lolll

we always got this thing called FACTS....

the ultimate checkmate

^^ lol nod

She even began her Velvet Rope tour in Europe and sold out arenas over there for years.

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Reply #22 posted 09/15/14 5:41pm

Scorp

SEANMAN said:

Scorp said:

preach......lolll

we always got this thing called FACTS....

the ultimate checkmate

^^ lol nod

She even began her Velvet Rope tour in Europe and sold out arenas over there for years.

it's called the gospel lol lol

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Reply #23 posted 09/15/14 5:51pm

babynoz

She can't sing though... boxed

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
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Reply #24 posted 09/15/14 11:57pm

Ellie

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PatrickS77 said:

Ellie said:

Yet in Europe the most success she had with the singles was a Number 10 hit in Switzerland!

Okay. You don't seem to like her, but give credit where credit is due. That's the way love goes was #2 in the UK. Let's wait a while and What have you done for me lately both went to #3 in the UK. She played plenty of arena dates in the UK. She was a household name in the 80s, even if you haven't heard of her then.

That's not the point. I actually like Janet. What I'm disputing is the specific influence of Rhythm Nation 1814. She's had success around the world to some extent before and since, but RN1814 was promoted to death around Europe and still failed quite miserably.

She also hasn't played a single arena date in the UK at least since the 90s.

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Reply #25 posted 09/16/14 1:16am

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BlackCat1985 said:

SuperSoulFighter said:


Oh please, don't make this a race thing. It's Madonna.


I strongly disagree! Maybe for mainstream white girls but definitely not for young black women of that time.

White "girls" and black "women"? Okay, let's forget about that. This just goes to show that you can't "establish" or "prove" who was the biggest superstar simply by quoting hit singles or ticket sales. Elvis was The King, but he never meant shit to some people.
So that's what annoyed me a little about this article. Let's discuss JJ or any other musician and wjat he or she meant without these claims of "The Best" or "The Greatest" because like our posts show, that's all subjective anyway. peace
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Reply #26 posted 09/16/14 1:38am

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Ellie said:

Yet in Europe the most success she had with the singles was a Number 10 hit in Switzerland!

You know very well that is not true.

tut tut...stirring the pot.

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Reply #27 posted 09/16/14 3:01am

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How is it not true? The album came and went and was Top 10 in a few countries, but the singles performed very poorly. Unless you have some stats saying she had a triple platinum success in Bolivia.

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Reply #28 posted 09/16/14 4:13am

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What an interesting attempt to re-write history. From someone who wasn't there to experience it.

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Reply #29 posted 09/16/14 6:16am

HAPPYPERSON

Askani said:

What an interesting attempt to re-write history. From someone who wasn't there to experience it.

Are you referring to the writer of this article? lol

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