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Reply #60 posted 09/21/14 3:55am

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Love this album, it is her best start to finish and very consistent in sound, vocals, subject matter, edge, visual imagery etc. I bought it in the late 90's actually but fell in love with it instantly though I already knew the hits, hearing it in full was a different experience. She and the team made even mj turn heads, now that's admirable!!!

I liked reading about the story behind the creation of The Knowledge, that's brilliant. Same with Miss You Much, made me think of how she walked into the room at the beginning of the video, quite like how she did before hitting that musical note.

I do agree she deserves more credit, and it's nice she's getting props for 25 years in quite a few places the last few days. I wonder if this means the album is on the way though I'm okay with or without it. I feel like the older generation who was around and fans give this album way more credit than mainstream or the younger generation of music listeners overall though, and I hope it changes. I recently heard Zendaya was giving it credit to this album so that was nice to hear about.

Everyone says it was the best selling of 1990 and it's interesting hearing about accounts here, but it's also unfamiliar to me cause as others have said, other artists were bigger in different parts of the world at the time this was happening and I am outside the US so I can relate to that. I do remember her being popular though in the 90's and 00's cause that's when I became a huge fan and it's unfortunate the media is downplaying that. I watch old footage of fans, even in the all for you era, people were nuts about her, I can't help but wonder where they all are.

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'everyone' didnt say it was the biggest album of 1990 billboard did. RN was #1 on every major chart for 1990 including pop and r&b album of the year.fans are still nuts for janet, like another person said her tours are filled with young fans who were not even born when she was at her peak.why do the brits on this forum always try to act like they never heard of janet? the RN tour is still to this day the biggest debut tour for any artist,she performed all over the world, she has several international fan clubs.question, how did you become a big fan if she wasnt known in your country?

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Reply #61 posted 09/21/14 4:21am

Scorp

LiveToTell86 said:

Scorp said:

the UK is not the only country on the planet.... lol lol

She broke attendance records in Japan for a debut solo tour with Rhythm Nation....

Control charted from 1986 to 1987 and sold 14 million

Rhythm Nation remained on the charts for three calender years from 1989 to 1991

she got shunned at the 1990 Grammys when they gave 2 Grammies to Milli Vanilli....best new group, best pop album and had to yank it back from them when they found out they were lyp synching all that time......GIRL YOU KNOW IT'S, GIRL YOU KNOW IT'S.....

don't know why they were so shocked...

I knew the industry was in trouble then........

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UK is the 2nd biggest market for English-singing acts and RN1814 wasn't huge in the rest of Europe either. For a long time the best estimate for worldwide sales was doubling the amount she sold in the US so that would be 14 million. RN1814 is never mentioned among the best selling albums worldwide, janet. is because of That's The Way Love Goes & Whoops Now that were big hits in markets where Janet wasn't so huge in the 80s.

Anyway, I just listened to the album and it's still awesome, definitely one of a kind and current acts could only dream of recording something like this!

thats' the key word....estimate

that album sold more than that........

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Reply #62 posted 09/21/14 5:10am

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Estimates because there isn't a worldwide chart that counts sold copies. Back then not even the US had that system so we can only go by certifications. Based on that, 14 million is even a generous estimation with the UK only having Platinum certification (that is 300,000 copies). Not sure why you want to prove the album sold more than that...

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Reply #63 posted 09/21/14 5:19am

Scorp

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Estimates because there isn't a worldwide chart that counts sold copies. Back then not even the US had that system so we can only go by certifications. Based on that, 14 million is even a generous estimation with the UK only having Platinum certification (that is 300,000 copies). Not sure why you want to prove the album sold more than that...

I ain't trying to prove anything...the proof is already in the pudding

it seems u are the person who's trying to prove the point

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Reply #64 posted 09/21/14 5:27am

alphastreet

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alphastreet said:


Love this album, it is her best start to finish and very consistent in sound, vocals, subject matter, edge, visual imagery etc. I bought it in the late 90's actually but fell in love with it instantly though I already knew the hits, hearing it in full was a different experience. She and the team made even mj turn heads, now that's admirable!!!



I liked reading about the story behind the creation of The Knowledge, that's brilliant. Same with Miss You Much, made me think of how she walked into the room at the beginning of the video, quite like how she did before hitting that musical note.



I do agree she deserves more credit, and it's nice she's getting props for 25 years in quite a few places the last few days. I wonder if this means the album is on the way though I'm okay with or without it. I feel like the older generation who was around and fans give this album way more credit than mainstream or the younger generation of music listeners overall though, and I hope it changes. I recently heard Zendaya was giving it credit to this album so that was nice to hear about.



Everyone says it was the best selling of 1990 and it's interesting hearing about accounts here, but it's also unfamiliar to me cause as others have said, other artists were bigger in different parts of the world at the time this was happening and I am outside the US so I can relate to that. I do remember her being popular though in the 90's and 00's cause that's when I became a huge fan and it's unfortunate the media is downplaying that. I watch old footage of fans, even in the all for you era, people were nuts about her, I can't help but wonder where they all are.




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'everyone' didnt say it was the biggest album of 1990 billboard did. RN was #1 on every major chart for 1990 including pop and r&b album of the year.fans are still nuts for janet, like another person said her tours are filled with young fans who were not even born when she was at her peak.why do the brits on this forum always try to act like they never heard of janet? the RN tour is still to this day the biggest debut tour for any artist,she performed all over the world, she has several international fan clubs.question, how did you become a big fan if she wasnt known in your country?



I never said she wasn't known. I said she was not as popular as the other big acts that year though she was a radio staple. If you look at the numbers that confirms it too though I'm going by memory too. I was in grade school during it's time. I don't think she was a flop here, she was just much bigger in the us and Michael and Madonna were still bigger than her here.

I became a fan at the tail end of the janet era upon falling in love with Again, and when scream and design of a decade came out and I got into the videos, there was no turning back. I did hear her name during the janet era though didn't know tracks yet and remember poetic justice commercials loving her look a year before becoming a fan.
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Reply #65 posted 09/21/14 11:47am

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Reply #66 posted 09/21/14 9:10pm

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Great article, but unfortunately, the post that starts this thread is illegal. You can't copy somebody's published writing and paste it on another website. Media outlets need to make advertising dollars otherwise they won't publish articles we like.

OP or mod,
Please delete all but 2 or 3 paragraphs and a link to the original: http://www.billboard.com/...-jam-terry

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Reply #67 posted 09/21/14 9:45pm

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The article is only a couple of paragraphs with the link provided; nothing illrgal here. Mods please ignore. confused rolleyes

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Reply #68 posted 09/22/14 4:51am

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The article is only a couple of paragraphs with the link provided; nothing illrgal here. Mods please ignore. confused rolleyes


Too funny. That's because the OP or a mod kindly edited the post down after I made the post above and sent an org note. Prior to that the entire article was posted, and there was no link to the story.
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Reply #69 posted 09/22/14 8:25am

Scorp

SEANMAN said:

if the female artists of today really want to make a lasting impression that's worthwhile

rather than flashing their glory all over the place to get a rise

they need to make an album like this

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Reply #70 posted 09/22/14 8:57am

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Scorp said:

if the female artists of today really want to make a lasting impression that's worthwhile

rather than flashing their glory all over the place to get a rise

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #71 posted 09/22/14 10:16am

Scorp

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Scorp said:

if the female artists of today really want to make a lasting impression that's worthwhile

rather than flashing their glory all over the place to get a rise

that's 2014 for ya.... lol lol lol

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Reply #72 posted 09/22/14 3:43pm

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Scorp said:

MickyDolenz said:

that's 2014 for ya.... lol lol lol

lol nod

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Reply #73 posted 09/22/14 5:31pm

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ufoclub said:

Never knew that about those Prince plans with "Love Will Never Do Without You". Janet Jackson always had some of the best videos and catchy pop songs. Back in the school year of '87-'88, regular folks liked "Control" better then "Bad" or "Sign O the Times" as a pop album.


That tidbit about them thinking of putting Prince on "Love Would Never Do" is interesting. I could see that working.
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Reply #74 posted 09/22/14 7:38pm

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Scorp said:

MickyDolenz said:

that's 2014 for ya.... lol lol lol

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Reply #75 posted 09/23/14 5:57am

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controversy99 said:

ufoclub said:

Never knew that about those Prince plans with "Love Will Never Do Without You". Janet Jackson always had some of the best videos and catchy pop songs. Back in the school year of '87-'88, regular folks liked "Control" better then "Bad" or "Sign O the Times" as a pop album.


That tidbit about them thinking of putting Prince on "Love Would Never Do" is interesting. I could see that working.

It would have made for an awesome video!
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Reply #76 posted 09/23/14 5:57am

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purplethunder3121 said:



Scorp said:




MickyDolenz said:









that's 2014 for ya.... lol lol lol




Lol! What the hell!
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Reply #77 posted 09/23/14 1:02pm

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The Rhythm Nation album was a major part of my childhood. I was 8 years old, and the songs were on the radio constantly in 1990-- Miss You Much, Escapade, Alright, Black Cat, Come Back To Me, Love Will Never Do, and even State of the World were all songs that I became very familiar with just from listening to the radio (I listened to the radio a lot from around 1987 until 1991, which is how I first became acquainted with a lot of pop music as a child). I also remember ocassionally hearing remixes of the songs on the radio, such as the Shep Pettibone house mix of Escapade, and the version of Alright with Heavy D. The whole idea of remixes was a new concept to me at the age of 7 or 8. I finally bought the album on cassette in the late summer of 1991. I had to beg my dad for $10 to buy the tape at the mall. Though I knew many of the songs, hearing the whole album at once, and the way it was put together, was sort of a revelation to me at the time. I had never heard such a hip hop-inspired production style before (I didn't listen to hip hop at that age). The texture of the music was so visual, it was like watching a movie. The dramatic intro, the interludes, the way the songs flowed together continuously, was all totally new to me at that time. It was definitely a big deal.

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Reply #78 posted 09/23/14 5:27pm

Scorp

duggalolly said:

The Rhythm Nation album was a major part of my childhood. I was 8 years old, and the songs were on the radio constantly in 1990-- Miss You Much, Escapade, Alright, Black Cat, Come Back To Me, Love Will Never Do, and even State of the World were all songs that I became very familiar with just from listening to the radio (I listened to the radio a lot from around 1987 until 1991, which is how I first became acquainted with a lot of pop music as a child). I also remember ocassionally hearing remixes of the songs on the radio, such as the Shep Pettibone house mix of Escapade, and the version of Alright with Heavy D. The whole idea of remixes was a new concept to me at the age of 7 or 8. I finally bought the album on cassette in the late summer of 1991. I had to beg my dad for $10 to buy the tape at the mall. Though I knew many of the songs, hearing the whole album at once, and the way it was put together, was sort of a revelation to me at the time. I had never heard such a hip hop-inspired production style before (I didn't listen to hip hop at that age). The texture of the music was so visual, it was like watching a movie. The dramatic intro, the interludes, the way the songs flowed together continuously, was all totally new to me at that time. It was definitely a big deal.

great stuff biggrin

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Reply #79 posted 09/23/14 5:52pm

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The Rhythm Nation album was a major part of my childhood. I was 8 years old, and the songs were on the radio constantly in 1990-- Miss You Much, Escapade, Alright, Black Cat, Come Back To Me, Love Will Never Do, and even State of the World were all songs that I became very familiar with just from listening to the radio (I listened to the radio a lot from around 1987 until 1991, which is how I first became acquainted with a lot of pop music as a child). I also remember ocassionally hearing remixes of the songs on the radio, such as the Shep Pettibone house mix of Escapade, and the version of Alright with Heavy D. The whole idea of remixes was a new concept to me at the age of 7 or 8. I finally bought the album on cassette in the late summer of 1991. I had to beg my dad for $10 to buy the tape at the mall. Though I knew many of the songs, hearing the whole album at once, and the way it was put together, was sort of a revelation to me at the time. I had never heard such a hip hop-inspired production style before (I didn't listen to hip hop at that age). The texture of the music was so visual, it was like watching a movie. The dramatic intro, the interludes, the way the songs flowed together continuously, was all totally new to me at that time. It was definitely a big deal.

Glad that Janet was able to influence you so much, with her MASTERPIECE defining album...

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Reply #80 posted 09/23/14 8:48pm

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duggalolly said:

The Rhythm Nation album was a major part of my childhood. I was 8 years old, and the songs were on the radio constantly in 1990-- Miss You Much, Escapade, Alright, Black Cat, Come Back To Me, Love Will Never Do, and even State of the World were all songs that I became very familiar with just from listening to the radio (I listened to the radio a lot from around 1987 until 1991, which is how I first became acquainted with a lot of pop music as a child). I also remember ocassionally hearing remixes of the songs on the radio, such as the Shep Pettibone house mix of Escapade, and the version of Alright with Heavy D. The whole idea of remixes was a new concept to me at the age of 7 or 8. I finally bought the album on cassette in the late summer of 1991. I had to beg my dad for $10 to buy the tape at the mall. Though I knew many of the songs, hearing the whole album at once, and the way it was put together, was sort of a revelation to me at the time. I had never heard such a hip hop-inspired production style before (I didn't listen to hip hop at that age). The texture of the music was so visual, it was like watching a movie. The dramatic intro, the interludes, the way the songs flowed together continuously, was all totally new to me at that time. It was definitely a big deal.

Awesome!

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Reply #81 posted 09/26/14 9:20pm

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MickyDolenz said:

Scorp said:

if the female artists of today really want to make a lasting impression that's worthwhile

rather than flashing their glory all over the place to get a rise

Perhaps you should look up what slut shaming actually is -- it's the practice of treating women like they're awful people (sometimes even who deserve to be raped) if they show even a little bit of cleavage or do anything that anybody perceives as remotely sexual. In fact, it's pretty hypocritical to post this on a Janet thread considering that people who aren't her fans slut shame her all the damn time for how she dressed starting in the janet. era, for the subject matter of her music, and of course, for the infamous Super Bowl situation. (And no, it doesn't matter to these people whether that incident was intentional or not.) When I watched Janet on the BET awards in 2009 just days after her brother died, there was a YouTube comment from some guy saying how hilarious it was to see her up there acting like she's so chaste by not wearing anything revealing when we all remember the Super Bowl and know what a whore she is. Google her name along with "slut" and I guarantee you will get plenty of idiots calling her a slut. THAT'S what slut shaming is.

I'm also not sure what's wrong with the first photo at a rally. So women shouldn't be allowed to do what we want with our bodies? Or is it the fact that she referred to her body as "hot," because women should absolutely always hate their bodies and be ashamed of how they look? (Again, funny, because low self-esteem is also something that Janet's been very open about suffering from.) I'm also guessing the placard bearer was possibly being somewhat sarcastic and referring to the fact that too many people think it's OK to harrass or assault women if they're "hot."

The rally photo also most likely came from a rally protesting sexual violence and/or women's rapidly eroding reproductive rights in the United States. Old men getting up in arms about women taking birth control because it "almost always involves immoral or unnatural practices" is another example of slut shaming. (And yes, that's a direct quote from the idiotic owner of Eden Foods, who's against all birth control yet once spent a month in prison because his product's dishonest labeling almost killed an infant.) Keep in mind those photos were taken in a country that's in the midst of a movement to make sure that women can never afford birth control but that's also making sure that it's completely unaffordable to raise children, and then you'll see the context of the protests and the backlash against slut shaming. The word "slut" is used in a tongue in cheek manner, because all a woman has to do is be in the wrong place at the wrong time to be considered a slut.

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Reply #82 posted 09/26/14 9:32pm

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OK, this link describes it a lot better than I did. IIRC, the phrase started gaining a lot more traction after Rush Limbaugh called Sandra Fluke a slut for testifying about her lesbian friend who had ovarian cysts and needed birth control to treat it.

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Reply #83 posted 09/29/14 9:50am

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MickyDolenz said:



duccichucka said:


Janet Jackson owning the masters to her A&M recordings can't be true: why in the hell would


Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis give her 100% of the copyrights to songs they wrote? Either they


are kind hearted souls or unbelievably stupid.




Master recordings & publishing/copyrights are two different things. That's why you don't have to get permission to remake a song, but you do to sample a song. Jam and Lewis have nothing to do with masters to songs they produced or wrote. They belong to the record company. Jam & Lewis are workers for hire. Jam & Lewis owning the publishing is irrelevant to the masters. It's Janet's records, not theirs. Just like the stuff Jam & Lewis did for Human League would not go to them. If the masters were given back, they would go to the act, not the writers or producers. For example, Paul McCartney owns the publishing to Buddy Holly songs & some Broadway showtunes and Michael Jackson owns the publishing to songs by many writers and acts including songs Paul wrote for The Beatles and Elvis Presley songs too. But Paul and Mike do not own the master recordings to any of the songs. There are cases where a producer can own the masters, if the act is signed to a production company, and not directly to a label. In a few cases the act owns owns the masters and lease them to labels like Genesis (except the 1969 album) and Motley Crue.


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Masters do not automatically go back to the act. They have to put in a request or take the label to court after the time is up. The label can fight the act. It also depends on what kind of contract the act had. Some of Sam Cooke's masters belong to RCA/Sony and the others belong to ABKCO. None belong to Sam's estate.


masters revert to the artist after 35 years. If the Virgin label rumor is true, I doubt it since she signed her contract before Prince made masters an issue Janet doesn't own a master recording until 2017. Sir Paul, Ringo, and the Estates of John and Paul own the masters of the Beatles and put everything reissues and what not through their Apple Records.

most artists leave the masters under the care of the record company because they have the built in infrastructure to distribute the material. There is no Janet conspiracy she's a legacy act so labels don't invest in things like DVDs and new reissues unless the artist is involved


Dozens of other Village People works will also come into his grasp for the mere fact that a provision of the Copyright Act says so: Willis, now 61, is one of the highest-profile artists to activate the rather arcane Section 203, which allows authors to reclaim rights to their works after 35 years, with the clock starting at Jan. 1, 1978.

This year the rights to a host of the music from that era will pass from publishers and record companies to authors and artists. It includes some of the most iconic titles of the late 1970s, still earning returns in record label catalogs. The Eagles filed notices of termination to their albums “The Long Run,” effective on Sept. 25, 2014, and “Eagles Live,” effective Nov. 8, 2015. Rights are currently held by Electra Entertainment and Warner Music Group.

Eagles member Don Henley has noticed Geffen Records that he is reclaiming the recording of “Boys of Summer,” effective Oct. 26, 2019, while Devo, Huey Lewis and the News and Fleetwood Mac have filed notices for some of their works, according to records from the U.S. Copyright Office. One of the first to file a notice is Kris Kristofferson, who in 2008 filed notices of termination for “Risky Bizness” and “Spooky Lady’s Revenge” from Resaca Music Publishing Co.


http://variety.com/2013/b...200334132/
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Reply #84 posted 09/29/14 11:55am

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ehuffnsd said:

MickyDolenz said:

Master recordings & publishing/copyrights are two different things. That's why you don't have to get permission to remake a song, but you do to sample a song. Jam and Lewis have nothing to do with masters to songs they produced or wrote. They belong to the record company. Jam & Lewis are workers for hire. Jam & Lewis owning the publishing is irrelevant to the masters. It's Janet's records, not theirs. Just like the stuff Jam & Lewis did for Human League would not go to them. If the masters were given back, they would go to the act, not the writers or producers. For example, Paul McCartney owns the publishing to Buddy Holly songs & some Broadway showtunes and Michael Jackson owns the publishing to songs by many writers and acts including songs Paul wrote for The Beatles and Elvis Presley songs too. But Paul and Mike do not own the master recordings to any of the songs. There are cases where a producer can own the masters, if the act is signed to a production company, and not directly to a label. In a few cases the act owns owns the masters and lease them to labels like Genesis (except the 1969 album) and Motley Crue.

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Masters do not automatically go back to the act. They have to put in a request or take the label to court after the time is up. The label can fight the act. It also depends on what kind of contract the act had. Some of Sam Cooke's masters belong to RCA/Sony and the others belong to ABKCO. None belong to Sam's estate.

masters revert to the artist after 35 years. If the Virgin label rumor is true, I doubt it since she signed her contract before Prince made masters an issue Janet doesn't own a master recording until 2017. Sir Paul, Ringo, and the Estates of John and Paul own the masters of the Beatles and put everything reissues and what not through their Apple Records. most artists leave the masters under the care of the record company because they have the built in infrastructure to distribute the material. There is no Janet conspiracy she's a legacy act so labels don't invest in things like DVDs and new reissues unless the artist is involved Dozens of other Village People works will also come into his grasp for the mere fact that a provision of the Copyright Act says so: Willis, now 61, is one of the highest-profile artists to activate the rather arcane Section 203, which allows authors to reclaim rights to their works after 35 years, with the clock starting at Jan. 1, 1978. This year the rights to a host of the music from that era will pass from publishers and record companies to authors and artists. It includes some of the most iconic titles of the late 1970s, still earning returns in record label catalogs. The Eagles filed notices of termination to their albums “The Long Run,” effective on Sept. 25, 2014, and “Eagles Live,” effective Nov. 8, 2015. Rights are currently held by Electra Entertainment and Warner Music Group. Eagles member Don Henley has noticed Geffen Records that he is reclaiming the recording of “Boys of Summer,” effective Oct. 26, 2019, while Devo, Huey Lewis and the News and Fleetwood Mac have filed notices for some of their works, according to records from the U.S. Copyright Office. One of the first to file a notice is Kris Kristofferson, who in 2008 filed notices of termination for “Risky Bizness” and “Spooky Lady’s Revenge” from Resaca Music Publishing Co. http://variety.com/2013/b...200334132/ [Edited 9/29/14 9:58am]

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Great article but if I'm not mistaken, Janet's masters deal was included when she negotiated her 2nd contract with Virgin. Based on this article, Janet's been eligible for her masters 7 years after her contract with virgin was up....

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Janet Jackson Spins a New Record: $80-Million Deal

Music: Pop superstar to ink contract with Virgin for four new albums.

January 12, 1996|CHUCK PHILIPS | TIMES STAFF WRITER
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Pop diva Janet Jackson is expected to sign a four-album contract today with Virgin Records worth an estimated $80 million--an unprecedented fee that analysts say could set the stage for another round of music industry mega-deals.

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The pact is the biggest ever awarded, surpassing the $60-million mark shared by such superstars as Michael Jackson and Madonna, whose six-album deals included film and joint-venture record label components.

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The 29-year-old entertainer has been the target of a ferocious industry bidding war since her Virgin contract expired last year. Jackson is so hot that sources said Walt Disney Co. President Michael Ovitz met with Jackson's representatives three weeks ago, hoping to woo her with a huge offer that included film opportunities. Jackson starred in John Singleton's 1992 movie, "Poetic Justice."

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But executives at Disney as well as at Sony, PolyGram, Bertelsmann, Time Warner and DreamWorks dropped out of the bidding because they believed their companies could not make enough money under the terms sought by Jackson.

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Industry reaction to the deal was mixed. Analysts and executives agreed that Jackson is worth a hefty price but many said the deal she sought went too far.

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"A deal of this size is a huge risk," said Harold Vogel, entertainment industry analyst at Cowen & Co. "It's true that an artist of Janet Jackson's stature adds prestige to a roster and functions as a magnet to draw other acts to the company. But just like in the movie business, the price of these music industry bidding wars just keeps escalating and tends to sap the profitability of the companies who participate."

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Jackson's pact comes at a juncture in the record business when sales are flat and many retail record chains are in severe trouble. But competition for market share among the big six record conglomerates is fierce; several large entertainment companies, including Disney, want to become major players in the music industry, and a flurry of new labels has arrived on the scene--several managed by powerful industry veterans.

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The spectacular size of Jackson's deal raises the stakes in the battle for other superstars such as rock act R.E.M., whose contract with Warner Bros. Records runs out this year. Analysts also expect the price to sign potentially hot new acts to skyrocket in the months ahead.

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One reason Jackson was able to secure such favorable terms from Virgin is that she is the label's best-selling artist and her deal was negotiated at a time when Virgin's parent company, EMI Music, is perceived as a takeover target in entertainment circles, sources said.

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The firm also recently signed a $12-million, two-album deal for the international rights to music released by pop singer George Michael, who is under contract in the United States to DreamWorks. EMI and DreamWorks reportedly coughed up an additional $40 million to buy out the British star's contract from Sony.

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Even if EMI Music doesn't reach the auction block, the firm could not afford to lose one of its best-selling artists in the United States, where the company ranked fifth last year in the album market share race. Jackson's attraction is that she is young and has mastered a dance-pop style that helped push the combined sales of her last three albums near the 30-million mark.

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Representatives for Jackson and Virgin refused to discuss the pact, which was negotiated by Virgin Records Chairman Ken Berry, EMI Music Chairman James Fifield, the singer's attorney, Donald S. Passman, and her manager, Roger Davies.

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But sources said Jackson will be paid a $35-million advance upon signing and guaranteed an estimated $5-million advance per album plus a 24% royalty on the retail price of each record sold--about $2.50 per record.

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Jackson's new deal covers four albums of new material plus a greatest hits compilation. Under the terms of the contract, ownership of the masters to those albums will revert to Jackson seven years after the contract ends.

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Sources said the agreement also requires Virgin to allocate about $25 million in video production, marketing and promotion costs--a huge amount by industry standards. Virgin will deduct all cash advances from Jackson's portion of the royalties until they are paid off.

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Sources at Virgin said the company plans to dramatically expand Jackson's presence on the international front, where compact disc sales are still booming.

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Companies that dropped out of the bidding said they would have had to sell more than 50 million Jackson albums over the course of the contract to break even. But several entertainment attorneys disagreed, saying Virgin could break even after selling about 25 million. Jackson's last Virgin album, "janet.," has sold nearly 10 million copies since its 1992 release.

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Jackson stunned the pop world in March 1991 when she announced her estimated $40-million, three-album pact with Virgin Records. Although the pact triggered a series of huge deals, hers was widely considered to be the shrewdest pact ever negotiated.

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Not only did she exact substantial advances and a 22% royalty rate, it also contained an unprecedented clause allowing her to bow out after one album--if Virgin Records was sold to another company, which it was. Her new contract does not have such a contract option, sources said.

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Jackson's 1991 pact set the stage for several other multimillion-dollar contracts by stars including her brother Michael, Madonna, Prince, Barbara Streisand, the Rolling Stones and Aerosmith.

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Analysts say that few of these deals have delivered the profits that the companies were hoping for. But in an industry full of uncertainty and single-hit acts, these superstars are perceived as the closest thing to a sure bet. The superstars also provide a record company with leverage in the retail market for other offerings.

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Reply #85 posted 09/29/14 4:57pm

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^^Yup.

"Get up off that grey line"
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Reply #86 posted 09/30/14 4:24am

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Wow! Janet wasn't playing was she? I remember around this time people were saying that this was one of the best record deals that they had ever heard of. She not only took home 35 million but the royalties and the masters thing were game changing. Maybe TLC should have consulted Janet and her legal team for their contract.
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Reply #87 posted 09/30/14 7:31am

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Wow! Janet wasn't playing was she? I remember around this time people were saying that this was one of the best record deals that they had ever heard of. She not only took home 35 million but the royalties and the masters thing were game changing. Maybe TLC should have consulted Janet and her legal team for their contract.

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She slayed them! Also still reaping the benefits of it.

eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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KAS – Episode 240 October 9th, 2014

We are thrilled to welcome to The Kelly Alexander Show an icon in the world of dance, world-renowned choreographer, Tina Landon, talking about the 25th anniversary of Janet Jackson’s hit album, “Rhythm Nation 1814.” Tina was a part of the Rhythm Nation project, videos and world tour back in 1990. Tina shares some behind-the-scenes stories and gives us her opinion on if Rhythm Nation would be a successful album if it were released today, is she open to working with Janet again, and is the world ready for Janet to make her return to the top of the pop music landscape. We’re also joined by social media expert, Patrick Charles, discussing how new music is being launched in strip clubs around the country. Thank you for listening!

Image Source: Salisha Mohammed/TinaLandon

This is a MUST listen to interview with Tina Landon on the Rhythm Nation 1814 25th Anniversary. It' s a interesting interview for any fan of Janet. Also a behind the scenes look @ how Janet connected with her "ex" choreographer Tina. She gives great insight!!!

http://kellyalexandershow.com/?episode=kas-episode-240-october-9th-2014


eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #89 posted 10/10/14 10:55pm

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KAS – Episode 240 October 9th, 2014

We are thrilled to welcome to The Kelly Alexander Show an icon in the world of dance, world-renowned choreographer, Tina Landon, talking about the 25th anniversary of Janet Jackson’s hit album, “Rhythm Nation 1814.” Tina was a part of the Rhythm Nation project, videos and world tour back in 1990. Tina shares some behind-the-scenes stories and gives us her opinion on if Rhythm Nation would be a successful album if it were released today, is she open to working with Janet again, and is the world ready for Janet to make her return to the top of the pop music landscape. We’re also joined by social media expert, Patrick Charles, discussing how new music is being launched in strip clubs around the country. Thank you for listening!

Image Source: Salisha Mohammed/TinaLandon

This is a MUST listen to interview with Tina Landon on the Rhythm Nation 1814 25th Anniversary. It' s a interesting interview for any fan of Janet. Also a behind the scenes look @ how Janet connected with her "ex" choreographer Tina. She gives great insight!!!

http://kellyalexandershow.com/?episode=kas-episode-240-october-9th-2014


this tina interview was great

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