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Though Mariah was huge in the 90's and still remembered for a lot of her hits, Celine will always be remembered for not just My Heart Will Go On, but also Falling Into You album, and the Beauty and the Beast, Power of Love days. I guess it depends where in the world you're from really...
Mariah did not start that trend at all, it was already happening in the 80's and early 90's, she just was the queen of doing it more often and crossing over with it, that it just became more commonplace since.
There is definitely a good argument for Celine! I forgot about Beauty and The Beast which was also massive. I could see where worldwide Celine was more consistently successful throughout the decade, not that she didn't have consistent success in US but she did have a couple of underperforming singles throughout the decade. It seemed like everything Mariah released turned to gold. It's definitely a toss up though now that I'm thinking about it. The 90's megastars aren't as easily defined as the 80's ones IMO. [Edited 9/10/14 12:54pm] | |
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Those ladies were superstars in the 1990's. 
Celine had the whole Titanic association which was a cultural phenomenon but as a 90's teen looking back on it, she just didn't seem as massive as Mariah. Now had Shania had the sort of success she had with Come On Over throughout the whole decade, I would probably replace Mariah but she was only massive 1998-99. Another strong contender would be Alanis of course. That album was an absolute phenomenon. I still say that none of the names mentioned here hold a candle to the superstar power of the top 80's stars.JLO ruled the latter part of the latter 90's into early 200's | |
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Tuls101 said: The 90's are hard. I don't think there were any that quite reached the level of the biggest 4 of the 80's:
Michael Madonna Prince Whitney I think the closest though would be.... Mariah Garth Kurt 2Pac It's interesting how the biggest of the 80's seemed almost otherworldly with their images (except maybe Whitney). Growing up, Michael, Prince and Madonna may as well have been aliens with their level of fame and eccentricities. The 90's superstars seemed to take a more down to earth approach with their image. Mariah was just girl next door, Garth was a good ol' boy, although he was in his 20's, Kurt was the poster boy of the angst ridden 90's teenager and 2Pac was straight from the hood and that was the image he wanted to portray as well. The 90's superstar didn't seem interested in being "out there" in the way the 80's stars were. I agree wholeheartedly and always point out the very same thing....in fact that was the cause if a lot of this artists eventual downfall. Remember when the whole 'I refuse to do interviews ' thing was accepted by the public? These days if you're not in instagram showing your labia ever 5 minutes the public deems you irrelevant. So much for closed lips.... And Janet was waaay bigger than Whitney in the public80's [Edited 9/10/14 14:10pm] | |
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I'd say Van Halen (with both Dave & Sammy) was bigger than U2 in the 1980s. U2 didn't really hit big until Joshua Tree (in the US at least), but Van Halen was a big seller from their late 1970's debut up until the mid 1990s when Dave briefly came back for the Greatest Hits album. Journey might be bigger too, but they didn't last the entire decade. Phil Collins for sure, both solo and with Genesis. You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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Orestespragmaticmaxim said: Tuls101 said: The 90's are hard. I don't think there were any that quite reached the level of the biggest 4 of the 80's: Michael Madonna Prince Whitney I think the closest though would be.... Mariah Garth Kurt 2Pac It's interesting how the biggest of the 80's seemed almost otherworldly with their images (except maybe Whitney). Growing up, Michael, Prince and Madonna may as well have been aliens with their level of fame and eccentricities. The 90's superstars seemed to take a more down to earth approach with their image. Mariah was just girl next door, Garth was a good ol' boy, although he was in his 20's, Kurt was the poster boy of the angst ridden 90's teenager and 2Pac was straight from the hood and that was the image he wanted to portray as well. The 90's superstar didn't seem interested in being "out there" in the way the 80's stars were. I agree wholeheartedly and always point out the very same thing....in fact that was the cause if a lot of this artists eventual downfall. Remember when the whole 'I refuse to do interviews ' thing was accepted by the public? These days if you're not in instagram showing your labia ever 5 minutes the public deems you irrelevant. So much for closed lips.... And Janet was waaay bigger than Whitney in the public80's [Edited 9/10/14 14:10pm] I prefer the more mysterious approach. It was so rare to see Michael, Prince or Madonna do interviews in those days. Although it was the 90's, Michaels interview with Oprah was a major event! I don't think anybody could garner that kind of response from the general public these days. I have to disagree about Janet. She did become a superstar mainly in the late 80's but Whitney's first album was a phenomenon. It became the biggest debut in history. Whitney also had something like 8 #1 singles in a row which was a record and her second album became the first album by a female artist to debut at #1. Not to mention Whitney was always a bit bigger worldwide than Janet. I think Janet's peak was more in the 90's. Most of the Rhythm Nation singles peaked on the charts in 1990-1991 and of course there was the run of singles from the janet album from 1993-1995 (in some locations). | |
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Really??...hmmm Well I can't quote the actual numbers....but I do remember there being a huge public backlash toward Whitney back in the day and she was never really the huge princess in the eyes of theBlackmusic listeners as she was with white. Maybe it was more if an adult contemporary thing ...and even then I think Blacks preferred Anita Baker | |
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Whitney's 1st album sold more than Purple Rain & Born In The USA. You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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Fuck that supershit.
yesssssssssss All you others say Hell Yea!!  | |
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MickyDolenz said:
Whitney's 1st album sold more than Purple Rain & Born In The USA. Wow...dIdnt know that, however I still stand by what I said. I do remember my momhaving a copy of her first 'album' tho .. And she would have never bought Janet [Edited 9/10/14 16:17pm] | |
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Sweet. All you others say Hell Yea!! | |
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Orestespragmaticmaxim said: Really??...hmmm Well I can't quote the actual numbers....but I do remember there being a huge public backlash toward Whitney back in the day and she was never really the huge princess in the eyes of theBlackmusic listeners as she was with white. Maybe it was more if an adult contemporary thing ...and even then I think Blacks preferred Anita Baker I do remember hearing something about Whitney being booed at the Soul Train Awards in '89.....could that be what you're thinking? That would make sense because by that point she had sold something like 40-45 million (worldwide) off of just TWO albums and she did have the wholesome princess image going on so I can see how those things could make the black community think she's a "sellout". No doubt her sound was as much pop as R&B. I know her third album in 1990 sold significantly less than it's predecessors but it was still a big success. I think people sometimes forget just HOW massive Whitney's 80's success was because The Bodyguard seemed to overshadow all of that. | |
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The best pop album from that decade.
“It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non- violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection” - Lesley Hazleton on the first Muslim, the prophet. | |
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usher was opening for janet in 98 so how could he be called a superstar of the 90s? | |
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Janet TLC Celine Dion R. Kelly Nirvana LL Cool J 2Pac Pearl Jam Boyz II Men Mariah Carey Shania Twain Garth Brooks Toni Braxton Snoop Dogg | |
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"Superstars"?
Lets start by saying you need 3 multi platimum albums to even touch the category. Now, out of the nominations I've seen, who's left? . |
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Rap has hardly ever had superstars. SO I don't think LLcoolJ or Snoop.
And you guys took it out of context. BY superstar I meant artists not bands...although I mentioned TLC. Working up a purple sweat. | |
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Just Music-No Categories-Enjoy It! |
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Tuls101 said: Orestespragmaticmaxim said: Really??...hmmm Well I can't quote the actual numbers....but I do remember there being a huge public backlash toward Whitney back in the day and she was never really the huge princess in the eyes of theBlackmusic listeners as she was with white. Maybe it was more if an adult contemporary thing ...and even then I think Blacks preferred Anita Baker I do remember hearing something about Whitney being booed at the Soul Train Awards in '89.....could that be what you're thinking? That would make sense because by that point she had sold something like 40-45 million (worldwide) off of just TWO albums and she did have the wholesome princess image going on so I can see how those things could make the black community think she's a "sellout". No doubt her sound was as much pop as R&B. I know her third album in 1990 sold significantly less than it's predecessors but it was still a big success. I think people sometimes forget just HOW massive Whitney's 80's success was because The Bodyguard seemed to overshadow all of that. Bravo to you my friend. You are obviously well versed on Whitney's rise in the eyes80's and the | |
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.....rise UN the eyes80's and the global fame impact if her music. Your giving statistics I never really the new about....or even cared really...but now that she is no longer with us beauty of her gift....rich and luscious instrument that was her voice really shines bright for me....especially after the continuous tributes to her surrounding her death sad to say. But sometimes it's like that and I genuinely feel respect foe her as an artist lto a degree that maybe I just never listened yo her enough before to feel. But as far as the Soul Train awards go.....that was like stepping into the pit....that was stepping into the heart if the real. The actual fans of music...Ermalene and Jermaine and dem from Crenshaw were up at the Soul Train Awards. They weren't the shnazzy Grammy and American Music Awards where the audience is mostly industry insiders and terminally pc. The soul train awards were more in the veign of showtime at the Apollo, the source awards ...something like that. Where people are raw and honest. So yeah...she was booed at the soul train awards....but unpopular sentiment toward her in the Black community...for whatever reason...had brewed up to that. Also very interestingly you mention that with her third album she saw less sales and a decline in popularity? Funny because that the Album she worked on with Babyface and started breaking away from.Clive | |
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..Davis and the whitewashed image he had created fir her and made her maintain under his Iron rule....and all of the old white producers that he only would approve of her working with. That's also friend the time Black people started breaking to really embrace and take her UN as their own...working with BeBe and CiCi Winans etc. So yeah...it's nice to know the history that Rolling Stone and takeBillboard promotes.....but it's even better to get it firsthand frinbthe feel of the times | |
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....that's also when the started hanging around Eddie and Arsenic....and eventually Bobby  | |
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....that's also when the started hanging around Eddie and Arsenio....and eventually Bobby | |
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Jermaine Jackson, Narada Michael Walden, Jellybean Benitez & Kashif weren't old & white. The only white producer on Whitney's 1st 2 albums was Michael Masser and he only produced 6 songs out of the 21 songs on them. You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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Whitney's second album also sold more worldwide than those 2 albums mentioned.
She was huge in the 80's.
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Usher had a way bigger impact on pop culture than Chuckii Booker. | |
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There were a lot of big acts in the 1980s. 2 albums by Def Leppard (Pyromania & Hysteria) sold over 10 million in the US, which Bruce, Prince, and U2 can't say. Even Bad by Michael Jackson sold 9 million US (and 6 million at the time), but Bad sold more worldwide than the Def Leppard albums. Van Halen also had 2 albums that sold 10 million US, but one is from the 1970's and both were with David Lee Roth. I don't think Whitney is that big as a catalog act (ig. Dark Side Of The Moon, License To Ill, or Beatles albums). Bruce is probably more popular as a catalog act than Whitney is and he has more albums. [Edited 9/10/14 22:05pm] You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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Alanis Morissette. Prince 4Ever.  | |
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lmao, im just saying usher was still an opening act in the late 90s, i think he became a true superstar in the 00s | |
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i disagree with your last statement. lets keep it real if an artist dont blow up in america they are not highly regarded in pop culture.everything thats considered important in the music industry is based on success in the states. | |
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MJ, prince and Madonna were still superstar in the 90's. MJ's DANGEROUS sold 32 Millions, and HISTORY sold more than 20 millions. PRINCE's DIAMONDS AND PEARLS were his most successfull album beside PURPLE RAIN, and TMBGITW by far his best selling single outside the US. |
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