Correct me if I'm wrong but Adele's sales were high during 2011 and people were checking for her more than Gaga and Beyonce that time, so bad timing could have been that too though Born This Way still did ok.

I also agree if someting is artistic, it's silly to call it that. Music and art should speak for itself, talking too much kills it.

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alphastreet said:

Correct me if I'm wrong but Adele's sales were high during 2011 and people were checking for her more than Gaga and Beyonce that time, so bad timing could have been that too though Born This Way still did ok.

I also agree if someting is artistic, it's silly to call it that. Music and art should speak for itself, talking too much kills it.

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Didn't Beyonce underperform in 2011? I don't think Adele out of all people affected her, they are in a totally different style and Adele's music is far more accessible and she reached out to groups Gaga could never. It is possible that in 2013 Katy Perry overshadowed her but then again she was already more successful singles-wise in 2010 when The Fame/The Fame Monster had just come to an end.

LiveToTell86 said:

alphastreet said:

Correct me if I'm wrong but Adele's sales were high during 2011 and people were checking for her more than Gaga and Beyonce that time, so bad timing could have been that too though Born This Way still did ok.

I also agree if someting is artistic, it's silly to call it that. Music and art should speak for itself, talking too much kills it.

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Didn't Beyonce underperform in 2011? I don't think Adele out of all people affected her, they are in a totally different style and Adele's music is far more accessible and she reached out to groups Gaga could never. It is possible that in 2013 Katy Perry overshadowed her but then again she was already more successful singles-wise in 2010 when The Fame/The Fame Monster had just come to an end.

Yeah that's what I said, gaga and beyonce underperformed numbers wise next to Adele that year. I just think old sounding r&b from british acts (including Amy Winehouse) and that sound in general was more popular in 2011. Gaga with her piano skills could have easily put out a ballads album too or an accapella piano version of born this way besides the title track if she wanted higher sales.

Anything you can do I can do better...

She has not made her due sacrifices and rituals to the Illuminati and thus they are punishing her.. DON'T RESIST GAGA.. DON'T RESIST..

She repeated herself. When somebody like Gaga (so unpredictable, artistic and visionnary) announces his first single off his upcoming album, people expect something totally new and unusual from that artist, Gaga released a song called 'Applause' that sounded like a leftover from The Fame EP, now that's a flop. It was catchy, but too familiar, and unwanted. She went to release 'Do What Ya Want' with R. Kelly and it wasn't that successful because people already thought she sold out, and that her album was a fail, so why even bother listening to Gaga? Everyone thought she's old news, and that there's others to follow and listen to (like Miley Cyrus).

That was strange to me cause I remember at some point in 2009 Gaga was literally everywhere in the world, her looks dominated magazines of all types and domains, her music was heard in every place in the world.

Katy Perry's 'Roar' is like anything from her previous album, yet the song went to be a number-one hit, it was catchy and fun, and people expected nothing but that. Gaga raised the bar so high and she couldn't live up to the expectations, hence, ARTPOP was a flop commercially and critically. Even the jazz album with Tony Bennett will enjoy a small success like an average christmas album or a remix EP, even if it's a good move from Gaga reminding people that she can sing jazz and yet make dance pop records.

What's next? I think Gaga will work her ass long enough to create something totally freaky and new, that's where she gets to be big, again, although I think she'll never top her 2009 era.

alphastreet said:

LiveToTell86 said:

Didn't Beyonce underperform in 2011? I don't think Adele out of all people affected her, they are in a totally different style and Adele's music is far more accessible and she reached out to groups Gaga could never. It is possible that in 2013 Katy Perry overshadowed her but then again she was already more successful singles-wise in 2010 when The Fame/The Fame Monster had just come to an end.

Yeah that's what I said, gaga and beyonce underperformed numbers wise next to Adele that year. I just think old sounding r&b from british acts (including Amy Winehouse) and that sound in general was more popular in 2011. Gaga with her piano skills could have easily put out a ballads album too or an accapella piano version of born this way besides the title track if she wanted higher sales.

2011 was a bad timing for everyone. Born This Way debuted with +1 million sales yet it was quickly overshadowed by Adele's 21, that album was the top selling record of 2011 and 2012, at best artists who were supposed to dominate like Beyoncé and Bruno Mars had 100K sales. 2011 was going to be Gaga's year but Adele came out of the blue and she did her thing.

Many expect her to do the same with her next album... She's like a cancer for every other label.

bobzilla77 said:

68686 said:

Tell me about free concert tickets offerings that didn't work.

I don't know about this.

Thanks

According to Pollstar, 22 of her 23 US shows last year were sellouts and she had the #22 tour of the year with only those 23 shows.

Total Gross: $46,957,070
Total Attendance: 544,333
Total Capacity: 550,122
No. of Shows: 23
No. of Sellouts: 22

I'd like to fall that far from grace one day.

She did not tour last year. Her Born This Way Ball was in 2011/Cancelled the second half in early 2012, due to a hip injury. There's hundreds of videos on Youtube of half empty arenas and stadium in South America, where unfortuntely, she had to use the MDNA stage.

Two things: her little Monsters (nasty little fucks) and her bad live performances.

I saw the ArtPop Rave in LA for $10 (at the door, day of the show) and it was awful. She was awful. Angry, barking orders at the audience and the audience not really reacting. Lip synching most songs, out of breath on the others. Her dancing "skills" are so bad it made me wonder if she even bothered to rehearse. She had these annoying, long monologues about all her accomplisments, or dissing other artists, or dissing people that "betrayed" her. There was not one ounce of joy in her voice. Her piano playing skills are average, she didn't do anything that made me think, wow, she's a musician. The show itself was cheap looking, the LA Times even called it a cheaper version of the Electric Daisy Festival. It was obvious her touring budget was cut. And the "choreography?" Go to youtube and see for yourself. I've seen high school dance troupes do a better job. It's like she didn't give a damn. Like Live Nation was forcing her to do it.

She was fabricated my the media. There's nothing there but bad vibes.

Shawy89 said:

alphastreet said:

Yeah that's what I said, gaga and beyonce underperformed numbers wise next to Adele that year. I just think old sounding r&b from british acts (including Amy Winehouse) and that sound in general was more popular in 2011. Gaga with her piano skills could have easily put out a ballads album too or an accapella piano version of born this way besides the title track if she wanted higher sales.

2011 was a bad timing for everyone. Born This Way debuted with +1 million sales yet it was quickly overshadowed by Adele's 21, that album was the top selling record of 2011 and 2012, at best artists who were supposed to dominate like Beyoncé and Bruno Mars had 100K sales. 2011 was going to be Gaga's year but Adele came out of the blue and she did her thing.

Many expect her to do the same with her next album... She's like a cancer for every other label.

Yes BTW had over 1 million in sales, but half of those sales were due the 99 cents price tag when it was released. In real numbers she sold a lot less.

Shawy89 said:

She repeated herself. When somebody like Gaga (so unpredictable, artistic and visionnary) announces his first single off his upcoming album, people expect something totally new and unusual from that artist, Gaga released a song called 'Applause' that sounded like a leftover from The Fame EP, now that's a flop. It was catchy, but too familiar, and unwanted. She went to release 'Do What Ya Want' with R. Kelly and it wasn't that successful because people already thought she sold out, and that her album was a fail, so why even bother listening to Gaga? Everyone thought she's old news, and that there's others to follow and listen to (like Miley Cyrus).

That was strange to me cause I remember at some point in 2009 Gaga was literally everywhere in the world, her looks dominated magazines of all types and domains, her music was heard in every place in the world.

Katy Perry's 'Roar' is like anything from her previous album, yet the song went to be a number-one hit, it was catchy and fun, and people expected nothing but that. Gaga raised the bar so high and she couldn't live up to the expectations, hence, ARTPOP was a flop commercially and critically. Even the jazz album with Tony Bennett will enjoy a small success like an average christmas album or a remix EP, even if it's a good move from Gaga reminding people that she can sing jazz and yet make dance pop records.

What's next? I think Gaga will work her ass long enough to create something totally freaky and new, that's where she gets to be big, again, although I think she'll never top her 2009 era.

How was she unpredictable? Her costumes? Bjork had her beat on the wacky costume bit, and Grace Jones has been doing that since the 70s?

Artistic? She made euro dance pop, with cliche lyrics, like everyone else. Visionary? You're making me laugh? Show me this vision? And I mean original vision.

And her "jazz" album? It's a covers album of show tunes. Like dozens of artists have already done.

She was hyped to the masses and people fell for it. The curtain has been pulled and there's nothing of real substance there.

Her being too impressed with herself too soon

She doesn't have any personality that she shows. Everything is facade. I think people grow tired of that.

I am a fan of Gaga, even if she is "reductive," because I appreciate the fact that she is an artist who expresses herself... and does it well. She can play instruments, write music, and can sing. I have all of her albums and have seen her in concert now twice. I like that she makes dance music, usually has a hook in her songs, and has embraced the GLBT fanbase - encouraging everyone to be themselves. However, that is where my problem with Gaga begins.

It is fantastic that she has so many "Little Monsters" who adore and idolize her. I have heard her myself speak out against homophobia and bullying and I like to believe that Gaga believes her own message. She certainly tries hard to fit in with the minority and counterculture. But... for someone telling fans to be themselves... it is hard to take from someone who is hidden behind ridiculous costumes and using a stage name. If she wants people to be themselves (even a freakier self), why not use your given name and rely on your own natural beauty. Gaga has mentioned being a loner and being bullied in the past -- but that's just it... it's the past. Now... she's a popular, well-known, and much-loved entertainer. Why dwell on your past?

As for the fall from grace, I think it comes from having a very competitive market that is controlled by high-powered record labels that only want to promote the newer, younger artists. There is an increasing number of them cropping up each year. And even prolific popular people are not cranking out the albums as much as they used to. Let's face it, audiences are fickle.

Additionally, I think her latest CD ("Artpop") is good. Most of the songs are upbeat and catchy, and it is easy to visualize them in videos or being performed live. BUT -- and I think it is a big but -- the lyrics are very foul at times. Even the "clean" version from Wal-Mart, with the naughty words smeared out of it leave an innuendo. Anyone who can rhyme can pretty much fill-in the blanks. The blanks are just too mature for most ears! Even cleaned-up, the lyrics do not lend themselves to being heard on mainstream radio. And that, in my opinion, creates a major problem for Gaga. Other than "Applause" and "Gypsy," there really isn't much left that is suitable for younger audiences.

Also, if you've noticed, Gaga seems to have an anger issue. She seems pissed-off lately. I'm not sure if it's because she realizes she's not with the "in" crown anymore or what. Yet she's been telling people all along it's okay to be different and not be popular. What I also notice is that it seems she has been turned into a product. She recently remarked at a performance that she "had" to sing 'Applause' - almost as if she was mad because she had to fulfill some obligation. I think she herself might be disappointed with "Artpop" and ready to move on... but has too many contract obligations to maintain before just scrapping it and starting over. There is or at least was talk that an "Artpop 2" was in the works... but that news has since fallen off the radar as the upcoming Tony Bennett project has emerged. I am hoping it will allow Gaga a chance to be herself more... a way to step out of being a marketable product (now perhaps not seen as quite so marketable)... and just be happy again.

Shawy89 said:

I think she relies on too many gimmicks and weird costumes.After awhile,people get tired of that and they want substance.

SoulAlive said:

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now that was just mean

I saw her live once by accident in NY where she wasnt announced and she has an amazing voice and she can play piano. I think she just needs to leave behind the gimmicks, show the world who she really is, and make a living off of a smaller dedicated fan base who appreciate her talents beyond all of the unnecessary crap. I love the look she has with the Tony Bennet album, but is that too just an "image" that she's hiding behind? Just be normal, say fuck you to all the people who want her to be something she's not, and just make good music and sing.

Correct me if I'm wrong...is she the one who vomitted on stage and called it art? If so...her 15 minutes lasted about 14 minutes and 45 seconds too long.

bobzilla77 said:

68686 said:

Tell me about free concert tickets offerings that didn't work.

I don't know about this.

Thanks

Many of those shows reported as "sell-outs" weren't even close to being filled. We know how claiming "sell-outs" works, not only for Lady Gaga. Fact is, she played to half empty crowds everywere.

According to Pollstar, 22 of her 23 US shows last year were sellouts and she had the #22 tour of the year with only those 23 shows.

Total Gross: $46,957,070
Total Attendance: 544,333
Total Capacity: 550,122
No. of Shows: 23
No. of Sellouts: 22

I'd like to fall that far from grace one day.

It's interesting that "$10 tickets at the box office" have not been reported anywhere but prince.org.

There are a few articles on it, all linking back to a post in these forums. You would think lots of people would have repored that, if it was true.

Are you sure you didn't get them from an overextended scalper? You can get cheap seats at the last minute to just about anything.

Wouldn't we all like to know so we can feed it by the bucket full to Kim Kardashian?

I think it was a combo of two things.

1. Overexposure - Ppl simply got tired of seeing her everywhere. Those outfits are only made to get attention. Prince dresses funny, but at least he has some STYLE. Gaga was only doing it to get on TMZ.

2. The explosion of Katy Perry and Miley Cyrus - Especially with Miley, Gaga was getting outdone.

ummm??? a shitty follow up that no one bought and radio didn't play....

Revolution said:

avasdad said:

ummm??? a shitty follow up that no one bought and radio didn't play....

Radio played the first 2 singles plenty...

CynicKill said:

SoulAlive said:

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now that was just mean

No,I'm not being mean I believe that pic is from her most recent tour? Dressing weird is cool and it gets people to look at you,but after you do it so many times,it's not shocking or interesting anymore.What's she gonna wear next....a dress made out of marijuana?? LOL

This is truly rubbish: