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PrintableSeventeenDayze said:
I bet none of you saying this about MJ would ever say the same thing about Elvis. I'm gonna leave it at that! Elvis chaps my hide too...for a number of reasons. Its pathectic tho...died a fat, overweight bloated drug addict on his turlit. People with all the resources and support one could have just toss it aside and feed the egos and addiction. I'm aware of the cunning nature of addiction. And to some degree we know more about it today than when elvis strained himself to death on his turlit. | |
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MotownSubdivision said:
Who before he died still sold out shows internationally and sold millions of albums. Not to the level pre-child molestation allegations but still on a high and impressive level, especially for somebody that got labled as a pedophile and was picked apart by the media.
Artists that haven't been through a quarter of what MJ went through could only hope to be as commercially successful as he was during this point in his career. So that he was commercially successful is important? But that he was a failure at not killing himself with excess can be disregarded? I get the warped routes addition gets your brain to go, believe me...but time and time and time again mike was given choices... And ultimately he made the easy choice...not the hard one. Money only equates to a certain kind of success...and not an important one. | |
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And yes, I remember Soul II Soul. And I also remember Carol Wheeler, who was an original member before going solo.
In the context of this topic, yes his commercial success is important. There are many ways to define a fall from grace but in the sense of music, it means when something occurs in an artist's career that kills their popularity and therefore their commercial appeal. MJ despite his troubles was still very successful commercially after being accused of raping children and that's what matters here. I'm not disagreeing with you about his personal ailments but that's not what is being asked. | |
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MotownSubdivision said:
In the context of this topic, yes his commercial success is important. There are many ways to define a fall from grace but in the sense of music, it means when something occurs in an artist's career that kills their popularity and therefore their commercial appeal. MJ despite his troubles was still very successful commercially after being accused of raping children and that's what matters here. I'm not disagreeing with you about his personal ailments but that's not what is being asked. From the questions I read...this topic isn't limited to commercial success. One of the questions was as open ended as possible. Tell me where fall from grace only involves commercial success. I suppose were just getting different things from what was asked. Indont think that means what I'm saying is invalid. | |
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Agree!!! | |
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the biggest fall from grace is the music itself | |
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Excellent comment! Trolls be gone! | |
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Double standards are not my cup of tea Trolls be gone! | |
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BobGeorge909 said: MotownSubdivision said:
In the context of this topic, yes his commercial success is important. There are many ways to define a fall from grace but in the sense of music, it means when something occurs in an artist's career that kills their popularity and therefore their commercial appeal. MJ despite his troubles was still very successful commercially after being accused of raping children and that's what matters here. I'm not disagreeing with you about his personal ailments but that's not what is being asked. From the questions I read...this topic isn't limited to commercial success. One of the questions was as open ended as possible. Tell me where fall from grace only involves commercial success. I suppose were just getting different things from what was asked. Indont think that means what I'm saying is invalid. | |
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Best post in this thread! | |
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stay pretty | |
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For a while, Prince. . Seriously though. Did anyone in 1985 predict that in ten years' time, Prince would be an anorexic white powder-faced creep running around scribbling on his face with markers, slamming record companies, making weird comments, and be unable to decide on a name for himself?? He went from respected pop star who had at least 1 big hit every year and was generally well-loved &very popular to one of the biggest jokes ever. America got tired of " . He made an excellent comeback in 2004 however, so that's great . But even if music journalists gloss up Prince's career (Icon! Legend! Amaaaaazing!) and try to wipe away that unfortunate 1994-1999 episode, it still existed and people thought Prince was the uncoolest thing ever for a long time Maybe  do, just not like did before  | |
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"'s antics by the mid-nineties and that's why songs like Betcha By Golly Wow & Holy River achieved respectable chart positions but limited exposure. He was a joke, a weird washed-up pop star who had disappeared up his own ass by '97/'98. 
Should I really read past the anorexic bit? This IS a fan site afterall Trolls be gone! | |
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MotownSubdivision said: BobGeorge909 said: From the questions I read...this topic isn't limited to commercial success. One of the questions was as open ended as possible. Tell me where fall from grace only involves commercial success. I suppose were just getting different things from what was asked. Indont think that means what I'm saying is invalid. What are the most shocking, most deserved/ undeserved, and tremendous falls from grace in the history of music? Is that not one of your questions? U should make the types of answers u want more clear. My comments on a dead drug addict seem to have struck a nerve. Posts 4, 17, 35, 62, 79, 103....plus more...I'm tired of researching your own thread...along with numerous mj posts aside from mine about his personal life. Have fun...I'm out. | |
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milli vanilli, duh! | |
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. The 'anorexic' part was over-the-top, I agree. Apologies, I was trying to add a strong word to properly describe his appearance, which was perhaps the strangest it's ever been. He was definitely underweight looking, very skinny . Personally, no matter how much I make fun of this look, it's easily one of my favorites. The whole "Prince is dead!", burning his old clothes, recreating himself to look like "Symbol", that whole era and that look are so freaking badass and cool imo. . It doesn't change the fact America did not react the same way
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put up with a lot of eccentricities, but this was the breaking point..
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Well, I hear you. I completely understand what you're getting at. He's a weirdo but only us die hards can really hang with him through the really weird episodes that he's had/has Trolls be gone! | |
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Releasing the Crystal Ball/The Truth albums was definitely not cool. The Dream Factory would have been a far better album. | |
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Yeah it seemed that some of his late 90s early 00s releases sounded really "tinny", like they were mixed in a studio all made of tin cans or plastic or something. Hard to describe but I think you get the point Trolls be gone! | |
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Yeah it seemed that some of his late 90s early 00s releases sounded really "tinny", like they were mixed in a studio all made of tin cans or plastic or something. Hard to describe but I think you get the point Trolls be gone! | |
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MotownSubdivision said:[quote]I don't know how it was internationally but MJ being a tabloid star seemed more of an American thing. Overall, MJ is a curious one when it comes to this subject. He did experience a fall from grace and the accusations seriously damaged his career however despite being the media's favorite target, he still was quite successful. After the first accusation in 1993, his accomplishments were: -HIStory sold 20 million+ copies and though I do not know how much it actually sold at the time, it was enough to become the highest selling double album in history (no pun intended), a record it still holds over 19 years later and likely will keep. -Scream would go on to become another critically acclaimed work of his as well as serve as the inspiratio many a music vio years latertour in the album's name went on to gross over $40 million albeit overseas -Blood on the Dancefloor sold enough to become the highest selling remix album of all time, once again a record that the album still holds today -Invincible while not the massive seller like his previous albums, was only a commercial failure because it wasn't as big of a commercial success as it could've been, still selling 13 million (once again, I don't know the sales of the time) -Sold out 5 shows in Madison Square Garden for the 30th Anniversary Special, the first show he would have in the US since the Bad Tour back in the late 80s Then after the second accusation in 2005, he sold out the O2 for This Is It in a matter of minutes. MJ was still very loved even after all the crap that was thrown his way of course not to the near universal levels of the 1980s up to the first allegation but his fans were much more plentiful than his haters. For that, I wouldn't say MJ experienced that great a fall from grace. It's amazing how successful he still was even after being accused of being a pedophile twice and all the other ridiculous things he portrayed in the public eyee is definitely no denying the magnemagnitudemagnitude of MJ's success. Still I fund his fans to oftentimes be of the Scots relational sort | |
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There is definitely no denying the magnitude of MJ's success. Still....I find his hardcore fans to be somewhat of the delusions sort | |
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Maybe do, just not like did before | |
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. Agreed. For a while there, 1997-2003, it became very confusing... So many random internet downloads, obscure albums that stopped touching the Top 100..... . There was a "What happened to Lady Gaga?" post a few days ago. I wonder if there were "Whatever happened to Prince?!" posts in the late 90s
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Do the humpty hump. | |
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Wheres kid n play at | |
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