SeventeenDayze said:

LiveToTell86 said:

It was the follow-up to The Bodyguard, NOT a comeback, it was her last #1 single as I mentioned, it even debuted at #1 on the Hot 100, the third single to do so after Michael Jackson's You Are Not Alone & Mariah Carey's Fantasy. The second single Count On Me was a top 10 hit but got a lot less airplay and the 3rd single Why Does It Hurt So Bad missed the top 20.

Am I reading this wrong or did you not mention Waiting to Exhale in the post that you did that I originally responded to? Either way, she still had a large following and people still loved here even though she really fell off a cliff, so to speak. Everyone blames Bobby Brown but perhaps she was already a bit of a druggie before she even laid eyes on him the first time. I think the media blew their age difference out of proportion and forgot to focus on the fact that they were probably both highly addictive/addicted personalities that was just a train wreck waiting to happen.

Sorry I meant that I referred to her "one #1 hit single after that" which was the first single of Waiting To Exhale. I still don't think she fell off a cliff, Just Whitney happened 10 years after The Bodyguard and all those drug stuff were around the same time. I also think that she still sounded good on 1998's My Love Is Your Love.

Bobby Brown

The Debarges/ Bobby and El

One can point to his marriage to the late Ms. Houston for maybe stunting his career. I think drugs and the huge success of Don't Be Cruel left him unmotivated.

As far as the Debarges we know why and what happened to them, drugs. I always thought Bobby made a huge mistake when he left Switch, he and Tommy left too early.

SoulAlive said:

Ronald Isley, Charlie Wilson, and now finally.....Prince.

LiveToTell86 said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Am I reading this wrong or did you not mention Waiting to Exhale in the post that you did that I originally responded to? Either way, she still had a large following and people still loved here even though she really fell off a cliff, so to speak. Everyone blames Bobby Brown but perhaps she was already a bit of a druggie before she even laid eyes on him the first time. I think the media blew their age difference out of proportion and forgot to focus on the fact that they were probably both highly addictive/addicted personalities that was just a train wreck waiting to happen.

Sorry I meant that I referred to her "one #1 hit single after that" which was the first single of Waiting To Exhale. I still don't think she fell off a cliff, Just Whitney happened 10 years after The Bodyguard and all those drug stuff were around the same time. I also think that she still sounded good on 1998's My Love Is Your Love.

No worries, I figured that's what you meant I just saw a promo earlier today about an airing of The Preacher's Wife that's gonna be on TV later today. I guess we could say that her music career cooled a bit in the 90s but then she picked up a bit of momentum with her acting career during that decade. Well, maybe it was just two movies but it seems like she did more acting during that decade

LiveToTell86 said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Am I reading this wrong or did you not mention Waiting to Exhale in the post that you did that I originally responded to? Either way, she still had a large following and people still loved here even though she really fell off a cliff, so to speak. Everyone blames Bobby Brown but perhaps she was already a bit of a druggie before she even laid eyes on him the first time. I think the media blew their age difference out of proportion and forgot to focus on the fact that they were probably both highly addictive/addicted personalities that was just a train wreck waiting to happen.

Sorry I meant that I referred to her "one #1 hit single after that" which was the first single of Waiting To Exhale. I still don't think she fell off a cliff, Just Whitney happened 10 years after The Bodyguard and all those drug stuff were around the same time. I also think that she still sounded good on 1998's My Love Is Your Love.

No worries, I figured that's what you meant I just saw a promo earlier today about an airing of The Preacher's Wife that's gonna be on TV later today. I guess we could say that her music career cooled a bit in the 90s but then she picked up a bit of momentum with her acting career during that decade. Well, maybe it was just two movies but it seems like she did more acting during that decade

I don't know if this has been mentioned or not but if I recall Arrested Development hold the record for least successful follow-up in history.

CynicKill said:

I don't know if this has been mentioned or not but if I recall Arrested Development hold the record for least successful follow-up in history.

Good example. It seems that they had huge potential but really fell off. I don't even remember anyone talking about them in the past several years as making an impact or whatever. I wonder who their record company was and if the execs had something to do with it. Maybe they were too pro black but I think during that time pro black stuff was heavily marketed so that might not be the reason here. It's hard to say.

SeventeenDayze said:

CynicKill said:

I don't know if this has been mentioned or not but if I recall Arrested Development hold the record for least successful follow-up in history.

Good example. It seems that they had huge potential but really fell off. I don't even remember anyone talking about them in the past several years as making an impact or whatever. I wonder who their record company was and if the execs had something to do with it. Maybe they were too pro black but I think during that time pro black stuff was heavily marketed so that might not be the reason here. It's hard to say.

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My guess is lack of a strong lead single. I do think I remember hearing something about the record company firing everyone responsible for the project but don't quote me.

Cerebus said:

I think there needs to be some differentiation between no longer popular, less popular/different and a fall from grace.

For instance, Hanson only had one major label release after that mmm-bop album. Since then they've self-released five albums (right up to last year) and an ep, all of which have been critically praised and sold fairly well. They can tour medium sized theaters, probably, for the rest of their lives.

George Michael, on the other hand, was caught several times doing things like trying to have sex with strange men in public restrooms and passing out in his car while on any number of substances.

Debbie Gibson never got caught doing anything, or had a smaller career, she just disappeared because she wasn't popular anymore. This happens to a lot of artists (pop more than most), a majority even, as tastes change and audiences age.

All of those are different to me, and only the George Michael case is one I would consider a fall from grace.

George Michael really didn't fall, he can still sell out stadiums.

His 25 live tour was massive.

Not every country cares about who he has sex with

The guy just hardly releases music

CynicKill said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Good example. It seems that they had huge potential but really fell off. I don't even remember anyone talking about them in the past several years as making an impact or whatever. I wonder who their record company was and if the execs had something to do with it. Maybe they were too pro black but I think during that time pro black stuff was heavily marketed so that might not be the reason here. It's hard to say.

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My guess is lack of a strong lead single. I do think I remember hearing something about the record company firing everyone responsible for the project but don't quote me.

Oh I hadn't heard that before but it makes sense. Sometimes I think when artists disappear like that is because of what is going on in the background. The things that don't get out into the public but eventually lead to an artist's downfall.

BobGeorge909 said:

MJ. From being the king of pop to a dead drug addict with a wig sown to his head, somewhere from ¼-½ a nose, eyebrows tattooed on, and a condom catheter. Sad sad sad.

Dare I ask, condom catheter? Do I really want to know what that is?

vainandy said:

Ronald Isley, Charlie Wilson, and now finally.....Prince.

How so?!?

So far, THIS thread is 8 pages long and no one say anything about Arrested Development!

I remember back in the 1992 that this alternative hip-hop/rap group had a debut album that was a hit with a black audience AND a even bigger hit with the MTV-driven crossover pop audience. By 1994, they fell off badly.

kenkamken said:

Could throw D'Angelo and Lauryn Hill in there, although I am still hopeful for their return

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I think Lauryn Hill left the business for personal reasons rather than falling. I'm going to se her in a couple of weeks in Manchester, hopefully she will perform some new material. I've heard her latest one last week and that's quite good

SeventeenDayze said:

BobGeorge909 said:

MJ. From being the king of pop to a dead drug addict with a wig sown to his head, somewhere from ¼-½ a nose, eyebrows tattooed on, and a condom catheter. Sad sad sad.

...who still sold out shows worldwide as well as millions of albums.

TonyVanDam said:

MotownSubdivision said:

BobGeorge909 said:

MotownSubdivision said:

...who still sold out shows worldwide as well as millions of albums.

Until he died a drug addicted junkie. Track marks and all. He ain't selling out no mo'.

Um... yeah, pretty hard to sell out shows when you're dead.

What's your point again?

TonyVanDam said:

So far, THIS thread is 8 pages long and no one say anything about Arrested Development!

I remember back in the 1992 that this alternative hip-hop/rap group had a debut album that was a hit with a black audience AND a even bigger hit with the MTV-driven crossover pop audience. By 1994, they fell off badly.

Post #216, and yeah, I remembered them. I also liked Soul 2 Soul. They fell off, too.

MotownSubdivision said:

BobGeorge909 said:

MotownSubdivision said:

Um... yeah, pretty hard to sell out shows when you're dead.

What's your point again?

That he went from the biggest pop star to a dead drug addict. I thought it was all pretty straight forward.

I bet none of you saying this about MJ would ever say the same thing about Elvis. I'm gonna leave it at that!

BobGeorge909 said:

MotownSubdivision said:

Um... yeah, pretty hard to sell out shows when you're dead.

What's your point again?

That he went from the biggest pop star to a dead drug addict. I thought it was all pretty straight forward.

Who before he died still sold out shows internationally and sold millions of albums. Not to the level pre-child molestation allegations but still on a high and impressive level, especially for somebody that got labled as a pedophile and was picked apart by the media.

Artists that haven't been through a quarter of what MJ went through could only hope to be as commercially successful as he was during this point in his career.

MotownSubdivision said:

BobGeorge909 said:

MotownSubdivision said: That he went from the biggest pop star to a dead drug addict. I thought it was all pretty straight forward.

Who before he died still sold out shows internationally and sold millions of albums. Not to the level pre-child molestation allegations but still on a high and impressive level, especially for somebody that got labled as a pedophile and was picked apart by the media.

Artists that haven't been through a quarter of what MJ went through could only hope to be as commercially successful as he was during this point in his career.

Agreed.

SeventeenDayze said:

BobGeorge909 said:

MotownSubdivision said: That he went from the biggest pop star to a dead drug addict. I thought it was all pretty straight forward.

I bet none of you saying this about MJ would ever say the same thing about Elvis. I'm gonna leave it at that!

I would say Amy Winehouse.. maybe not the biggest fall from grace but still.. she was on top of the world in 2007 it seems. ...was looking forward to that 3rd album she was penning.