I don't like rap but it's a question I was curious about because people seemingly talk about endless tupac material. Would anyone with any knowledge of the man be able to make a list of things that are known about but isn't available to the public (i mean completeley unheard stuff) meaning unreleased songs, videos etc. also, if there is so much stuff why hasnt his mum made a collectors label for a small amount of hardcore fans like elvis has?

Dilan said:

I don't like rap but it's a question I was curious about because people seemingly talk about endless tupac material. Would anyone with any knowledge of the man be able to make a list of things that are known about but isn't available to the public (i mean completeley unheard stuff) meaning unreleased songs, videos etc. also, if there is so much stuff why hasnt his mum made a collectors label for a small amount of hardcore fans like elvis has?

I can honestly say that there is a plethora of unreleased Tupac material. Right after he passed away - and I'm talking like a week or two later - all this bootleg material made it's way to the streets. I was fortunate enough to cop albums upon albums of this stuff and believe it or not, the man left behind some good music. To this day, I have no idea who released it and why they did it but if you hit the Internet hard enough, you might find some things. Good luck.

There's no unreleased music videos.

There's about 15 albums worth of unreleased material that has leaked, and about another 4 albums worth that has not yet leaked. If you include alternate versions of songs, there's probably enough material for 25 or 30 albums.


A lot of that material has since been released, except 90% has been remixed, and since about 2003, the remixes that have been released haven't been very good. The last two albums in particular, were fairly diabolical in terms of remixing.

What kind of list are you looking for? Are you looking for just unreleased songs generally, or unreleased songs that haven't been leaked to the internet and bootlegged?

And Afeni Shakur (Tupac's mother) has been in charge of all posthumous releases.

I have heard every unreleased song that has been widely leaked online.

I have also heard about 5 songs that have not been leaked. I made a documentary about 2Pac for the BBC back in 2006, out in LA. During this time, I interviewed and became friends with his main producer Johnny J, who played me some unreleased, unleaked music at his studio.

Sadly, Johnny passed away a few years later.

Militant said:

There's no unreleased music videos.

There's about 15 albums worth of unreleased material that has leaked, and about another 4 albums worth that has not yet leaked. If you include alternate versions of songs, there's probably enough material for 25 or 30 albums.


A lot of that material has since been released, except 90% has been remixed, and since about 2003, the remixes that have been released haven't been very good. The last two albums in particular, were fairly diabolical in terms of remixing.

What kind of list are you looking for? Are you looking for just unreleased songs generally, or unreleased songs that haven't been leaked to the internet and bootlegged?

And Afeni Shakur (Tupac's mother) has been in charge of all posthumous releases.

I have heard every unreleased song that has been widely leaked online.

I have also heard about 5 songs that have not been leaked. I made a documentary about 2Pac for the BBC back in 2006, out in LA. During this time, I interviewed and became friends with his main producer Johnny J, who played me some unreleased, unleaked music at his studio.

Sadly, Johnny passed away a few years later.

thanks for the informative response. I'm interested in a list of songs which haven't leaked to the internet and bootlegged and i dont care much for posthumous remixes. When i said 'videos' i meant any media like eg unreleased interviews, do those exist? btw just read into johnny j, sad how he passed.

Just out of curiousity are you able to make a decent living off being a professional musician and doing the odd documentary? if you don't mind me asking for specifics. I ask because I would like a job in the music industry. I don't play an instrument nor do any of the creative processes which create songs but i'm more interested in other sides like organising promotion etc. is this a realistic goal?

Dilan said:

Militant said:

There's no unreleased music videos.

There's about 15 albums worth of unreleased material that has leaked, and about another 4 albums worth that has not yet leaked. If you include alternate versions of songs, there's probably enough material for 25 or 30 albums.


A lot of that material has since been released, except 90% has been remixed, and since about 2003, the remixes that have been released haven't been very good. The last two albums in particular, were fairly diabolical in terms of remixing.

What kind of list are you looking for? Are you looking for just unreleased songs generally, or unreleased songs that haven't been leaked to the internet and bootlegged?

And Afeni Shakur (Tupac's mother) has been in charge of all posthumous releases.

I have heard every unreleased song that has been widely leaked online.

I have also heard about 5 songs that have not been leaked. I made a documentary about 2Pac for the BBC back in 2006, out in LA. During this time, I interviewed and became friends with his main producer Johnny J, who played me some unreleased, unleaked music at his studio.

Sadly, Johnny passed away a few years later.

thanks for the informative response. I'm interested in a list of songs which haven't leaked to the internet and bootlegged and i dont care much for posthumous remixes. When i said 'videos' i meant any media like eg unreleased interviews, do those exist? btw just read into johnny j, sad how he passed.

Just out of curiousity are you able to make a decent living off being a professional musician and doing the odd documentary? if you don't mind me asking for specifics. I ask because I would like a job in the music industry. I don't play an instrument nor do any of the creative processes which create songs but i'm more interested in other sides like organising promotion etc. is this a realistic goal?

I'm pretty busy for a couple days but I might be able to get you some information on that.

Yes.. there are a few unreleased interviews, and there's a lot of unreleased video footage from behind the scenes on music videos and photoshoots and things like that. QD3 (Quincy Jones III) who also produced songs for Tupac, has a lot of this footage. As does Gobi, who was the director of quite a few of the music videos. I met and interviewed both QD and Gobi for my documentary.

Yes - I am a full time musician and I occasionally make the documentaries on the side. There are plenty of jobs in the music industry from marketing to events to PR.

btw - here is a documentary I made about Johnny J after he passed away. It contains parts of my interview with him from the original 2 hour BBC documentary, which isn't currently online in it's entirety.

Militant said:

Dilan said:

thanks for the informative response. I'm interested in a list of songs which haven't leaked to the internet and bootlegged and i dont care much for posthumous remixes. When i said 'videos' i meant any media like eg unreleased interviews, do those exist? btw just read into johnny j, sad how he passed.

Just out of curiousity are you able to make a decent living off being a professional musician and doing the odd documentary? if you don't mind me asking for specifics. I ask because I would like a job in the music industry. I don't play an instrument nor do any of the creative processes which create songs but i'm more interested in other sides like organising promotion etc. is this a realistic goal?

I'm pretty busy for a couple days but I might be able to get you some information on that.

Yes.. there are a few unreleased interviews, and there's a lot of unreleased video footage from behind the scenes on music videos and photoshoots and things like that. QD3 (Quincy Jones III) who also produced songs for Tupac, has a lot of this footage. As does Gobi, who was the director of quite a few of the music videos. I met and interviewed both QD and Gobi for my documentary.

Yes - I am a full time musician and I occasionally make the documentaries on the side. There are plenty of jobs in the music industry from marketing to events to PR.

Did QD3 and Gobi, show you there footage? Did they also say why they haven't released it, are they waiting for the best offer? Has Tupac's mother ever thought about a collectors label?

Money isn't my motivation but i'd be interested to know what your salary is roughly with that uncoventional career type (eg a year as a musician and a year as a musician with a documentary)because its so different from the mudane 9-5 job job which i want to try and escape from. I'm 17 currently, and it's the year before i go to university. do you know any websites that i could go to, to apply early for these marketing, events, PR jobs now so i can get experience in the industry each summer before i finish my degree? I really want to be prepared.

Dilan said:

Militant said:

I'm pretty busy for a couple days but I might be able to get you some information on that.

Yes.. there are a few unreleased interviews, and there's a lot of unreleased video footage from behind the scenes on music videos and photoshoots and things like that. QD3 (Quincy Jones III) who also produced songs for Tupac, has a lot of this footage. As does Gobi, who was the director of quite a few of the music videos. I met and interviewed both QD and Gobi for my documentary.

Yes - I am a full time musician and I occasionally make the documentaries on the side. There are plenty of jobs in the music industry from marketing to events to PR.

Did QD3 and Gobi, show you there footage? Did they also say why they haven't released it, are they waiting for the best offer? Has Tupac's mother ever thought about a collectors label?

Money isn't my motivation but i'd be interested to know what your salary is roughly with that uncoventional career type (eg a year as a musician and a year as a musician with a documentary)because its so different from the mudane 9-5 job job which i want to try and escape from. I'm 17 currently, and it's the year before i go to university. do you know any websites that i could go to, to apply early for these marketing, events, PR jobs now so i can get experience in the industry each summer before i finish my degree? I really want to be prepared.

Some of it, yes. Some of QD's footage was used in his documentary "Thug Angel", and other parts of it were bootlegged. Gobi tried to crowdfund a documentary a while back but didn't reach his funding goal.

I'm not sure where Afeni is at right now. There's a great deal of legal drama with the Estate and also with Death Row which has been bought and sold at least twice since the last posthumous album.

I don't make a regular salary. I have years where I make only quarterly royalties, if we're working on an album. I have other years where we tour a lot and make a great deal of money in a short time. Every now and then, we get a track picked up for a movie or game which is nice money. For example, we had a song in a FIFA World Cup game by EA Sports on Playstation/Xbox, etc, a few years back. So with what I do, money management is important.


Your best bet is to do a music business degree - great for networking. I've actually guest lectured the music industries course at Birmingham City University a couple of times. Since the first time I did it about 4 years ago, a lot of the kids studying then are now working in the industry.

Militant said:

Dilan said:

Did QD3 and Gobi, show you there footage? Did they also say why they haven't released it, are they waiting for the best offer? Has Tupac's mother ever thought about a collectors label?

Money isn't my motivation but i'd be interested to know what your salary is roughly with that uncoventional career type (eg a year as a musician and a year as a musician with a documentary)because its so different from the mudane 9-5 job job which i want to try and escape from. I'm 17 currently, and it's the year before i go to university. do you know any websites that i could go to, to apply early for these marketing, events, PR jobs now so i can get experience in the industry each summer before i finish my degree? I really want to be prepared.

Some of it, yes. Some of QD's footage was used in his documentary "Thug Angel", and other parts of it were bootlegged. Gobi tried to crowdfund a documentary a while back but didn't reach his funding goal.

I'm not sure where Afeni is at right now. There's a great deal of legal drama with the Estate and also with Death Row which has been bought and sold at least twice since the last posthumous album.

I don't make a regular salary. I have years where I make only quarterly royalties, if we're working on an album. I have other years where we tour a lot and make a great deal of money in a short time. Every now and then, we get a track picked up for a movie or game which is nice money. For example, we had a song in a FIFA World Cup game by EA Sports on Playstation/Xbox, etc, a few years back. So with what I do, money management is important.


Your best bet is to do a music business degree - great for networking. I've actually guest lectured the music industries course at Birmingham City University a couple of times. Since the first time I did it about 4 years ago, a lot of the kids studying then are now working in the industry.

Hi, are you able to briefly compile the unbootlegged song list yet? btw would you say is the funniest tupac moment caught on camera? in that interview where he's talking about the progression of getting more and more hungry where he knows a hotel room has food and he says "after a year it's im picking the lock coming in blasting" i laughed for a minute straight

Thanks for more information on the industry, it's interesting Fifa would select a small independent band for part of their games soundtrack when they could just choose anything famous. The lectures sound interesting what are the sort of sub-topics you delve into? The kids who you know are now working in the industry, what sort of roles would you expect they are in and could you make a rough estimate on their annual salary?

I have all of these questions because i'm facing a dilemna at the moment i'm going to degree in graphic design, it's a great subject and i enjoy it however only a couple of weeks ago i realized i have been reading about singers since year 6 and have basically never realized my passion for music in general could be utilised into a career. Even the art books i need to read for my personal statement feel like a chore to read yet reading mj's earth song magnum opus is just exciting. Do you learn incredibly vital things in the biz degree or would a career in the industry be possible if i read books and had music related work experience each summer until i graduate? Would you be able to re-direct me to any websites that you would say in your opinion are important about working for labels? My cousin is the manager of the gorillaz or tour something maybe I could ask her if i get the opportunity. Sorry for the wall text, but i need to make life decisions in the next couple of weeks lol.

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Dilan said:

Militant said:

Some of it, yes. Some of QD's footage was used in his documentary "Thug Angel", and other parts of it were bootlegged. Gobi tried to crowdfund a documentary a while back but didn't reach his funding goal.

I'm not sure where Afeni is at right now. There's a great deal of legal drama with the Estate and also with Death Row which has been bought and sold at least twice since the last posthumous album.

I don't make a regular salary. I have years where I make only quarterly royalties, if we're working on an album. I have other years where we tour a lot and make a great deal of money in a short time. Every now and then, we get a track picked up for a movie or game which is nice money. For example, we had a song in a FIFA World Cup game by EA Sports on Playstation/Xbox, etc, a few years back. So with what I do, money management is important.


Your best bet is to do a music business degree - great for networking. I've actually guest lectured the music industries course at Birmingham City University a couple of times. Since the first time I did it about 4 years ago, a lot of the kids studying then are now working in the industry.

Hi, are you able to briefly compile the unbootlegged song list yet? btw would you say is the funniest tupac moment caught on camera? in that interview where he's talking about the progression of getting more and more hungry where he knows a hotel room has food and he says "after a year it's im picking the lock coming in blasting" i laughed for a minute straight

Thanks for more information on the industry, it's interesting Fifa would select a small independent band for part of their games soundtrack when they could just choose anything famous. The lectures sound interesting what are the sort of sub-topics you delve into? The kids who you know are now working in the industry, what sort of roles would you expect they are in and could you make a rough estimate on their annual salary?

I have all of these questions because i'm facing a dilemna at the moment i'm going to degree in graphic design, it's a great subject and i enjoy it however only a couple of weeks ago i realized i have been reading about singers since year 6 and have basically never realized my passion for music in general could be utilised into a career. Even the art books i need to read for my personal statement feel like a chore to read yet reading mj's earth song magnum opus is just exciting. Do you learn incredibly vital things in the biz degree or would a career in the industry be possible if i read books and had music related work experience each summer until i graduate? Would you be able to re-direct me to any websites that you would say in your opinion are important about working for labels? My cousin is the manager of the gorillaz or tour something maybe I could ask her if i get the opportunity. Sorry for the wall text, but i need to make life decisions in the next couple of weeks lol.

[Edited 10/5/14 3:35am]

Pac was a real funny dude. Everyone I interviewed in the BBC documentary would reference this. He'd have everyone in the studio cracking up. I'm not sure what would be funniest, but there's a bit where he's putting a dude on blast in the studio for having a tattoo of Chinese lettering, and he's like "Nigga you ain't Chinese! How you know what that says? That shit probably say 2 Egg rolls, to go!"

btw, we're not a small independent band. When the FIFA deal was done we were signed to Sony BMG. After that we were with Virgin/EMI for a few years. We've done world tours at least 4 times, had songs in three Hollywood films, and a few years back, we were selected as one of the "Top 5" bands to watch at the entire Glastonbury Festival - the other four included Arctic Monkeys, Amy Winehouse, and MIA.

We exist outside of the main UK music culture, and it's not our main market. But we just got back from India where we did a three day shoot for our new video, with a $75k budget, in a film set, with a crew of 90 people, a millon dollars worth of RED cameras (what they use to shoot The Hobbit etc), with a 35 foot sculpture of our band logo as the main backdrop, covered in thousands of lightbulbs. It's no small time shit.

The lectures I've done are primarily about my experiences in the industry, with both major labels and indie labels, the realities of touring and royalties, songwriting and production process, our relationships with managers and agents, the various income streams. And I answer questions from the kids.

Some of them are working in radio, some in PR, some at labels, some at management companies. Probably a lot more that I don't know about. Salaries I don't have a clue. Depends on where the job is, for example working in London you're gonna earn probably 5 or 10 grand more a year than you would anywhere else.

It sounds to me like your passion is in music rather than art so I would advise that you pursue a music business degree if possible. It's less about what you'll learn and more about the people you'll meet. Music industry is all about who you know.

I share the same views regarding Chinese tatoos. Can´t stand them and I have yet to see a Chinese person with, say, Arabic script or English words like "hope" "luck", "strength" etc.

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Makes you wonder why people get such a tatoo in the first place.

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Does Mrs. Afeni Shakur at least get enough royalties? It´s sad enough that she lost her son, she should at least get royalties. I doubt it though, because Suge Knight probably owns a lot of the songs.

KoolEaze said:

I share the same views regarding Chinese tatoos. Can´t stand them and I have yet to see a Chinese person with, say, Arabic script or English words like "hope" "luck", "strength" etc.

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Makes you wonder why people get such a tatoo in the first place.

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Does Mrs. Afeni Shakur at least get enough royalties? It´s sad enough that she lost her son, she should at least get royalties. I doubt it though, because Suge Knight probably owns a lot of the songs.

She does get a lot of royalties. Suge doesn't own any of it, the ownership of all the material was given to Tupac's Estate, which Afeni controls.

Suge does make something for songs that were recorded whilst Tupac was on Death Row, which is most of them. But he doesn't own them. Suge and Death Row were declared bankrupt back in 2006, and Afeni had to file a court claim to get back some of what she was owed. But that was to do with a former legal claim she had for unauthorized licensing of songs, and lost profits.

http://blogs.wsj.com/bankruptcy/2013/08/27/tupacs-mother-settles-claim-against-suge-knight/

I think for the most part, all the material good enough to be a sing has seen a release. Their hasn't been a Pac album released in a while, probably because all the listenable tracks have been released.

There was a time when a Pac album was released every year.

-A double album was released (R U Still Down?) in 97.

-Greatest Hits in 98 featured unreleased material

-99 with Still I Rise album feraturing Outlawz

-Untill the End of Time, 2001 double album

-Better Dayz 2002 Double Album

-Ressurection, features unreleased material from 2003

-Loyal to the Game from 2004 features unreleased material.

-Pac's Life 2006

-2007's Beginnings: The Lost Tapes 1988-1991

The last 2Pac album was released in 2007, the doudle disc best of titled THUG and LIFE (sold seperatly.)

LittleBLUECorvette said:

I think for the most part, all the material good enough to be a sing has seen a release. Their hasn't been a Pac album released in a while, probably because all the listenable tracks have been released.

There was a time when a Pac album was released every year.

-A double album was released (R U Still Down?) in 97.

-Greatest Hits in 98 featured unreleased material

-99 with Still I Rise album feraturing Outlawz

-Untill the End of Time, 2001 double album

-Better Dayz 2002 Double Album

-Ressurection, features unreleased material from 2003

-Loyal to the Game from 2004 features unreleased material.

-Pac's Life 2006

-2007's Beginnings: The Lost Tapes 1988-1991

The last 2Pac album was released in 2007, the doudle disc best of titled THUG and LIFE (sold seperatly.)

No, there's a TON of great material still left! The reason there hasn't been a release since 2007 is because of the legal drama between Death Row and the Shakur Estate.

I mean, here's a great album tracklist right here..... none of these songs have been officially released yet:



4 My Niggaz (featuring Storm)
First 2 Bomb (featuring Daz Dillinger)
Only Move 4 The Money (featuring Daz Dillinger & Bad Azz)
Just Watchin' (featuring Snoop Dogg, Charlie Wilson & Dogg Pound)
Hellraiser '92 (Not the same track as on RU Still Down)
Throw Ya Hands Up
Bury Me A G (Tupac Solo Version)
Wherever U R (featuring Big Daddy Kane) [Before he passed, Johnny J played me an AMAZING mix of this he did, no version of this song has been released]
Days of A Criminal
Til My Dyin' Day (featuring The Outlawz)
Is It Cool To Fuck? (featuring Thug Life)
Too Late Playa (featuring MC Hammer, Big Daddy Kane, Danny Boy)


That's 12 great songs right there. And that's just from the songs that have been bootlegged, There's at least another 30 or 40 songs that haven't.

Militant said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

I think for the most part, all the material good enough to be a sing has seen a release. Their hasn't been a Pac album released in a while, probably because all the listenable tracks have been released.

There was a time when a Pac album was released every year.

-A double album was released (R U Still Down?) in 97.

-Greatest Hits in 98 featured unreleased material

-99 with Still I Rise album feraturing Outlawz

-Untill the End of Time, 2001 double album

-Better Dayz 2002 Double Album

-Ressurection, features unreleased material from 2003

-Loyal to the Game from 2004 features unreleased material.

-Pac's Life 2006

-2007's Beginnings: The Lost Tapes 1988-1991

The last 2Pac album was released in 2007, the doudle disc best of titled THUG and LIFE (sold seperatly.)

No, there's a TON of great material still left! The reason there hasn't been a release since 2007 is because of the legal drama between Death Row and the Shakur Estate.

I mean, here's a great album tracklist right here..... none of these songs have been officially released yet:



4 My Niggaz (featuring Storm)
First 2 Bomb (featuring Daz Dillinger)
Only Move 4 The Money (featuring Daz Dillinger & Bad Azz)
Just Watchin' (featuring Snoop Dogg, Charlie Wilson & Dogg Pound)
Hellraiser '92 (Not the same track as on RU Still Down)
Throw Ya Hands Up
Bury Me A G (Tupac Solo Version)
Wherever U R (featuring Big Daddy Kane) [Before he passed, Johnny J played me an AMAZING mix of this he did, no version of this song has been released]
Days of A Criminal
Til My Dyin' Day (featuring The Outlawz)
Is It Cool To Fuck? (featuring Thug Life)
Too Late Playa (featuring MC Hammer, Big Daddy Kane, Danny Boy)


That's 12 great songs right there. And that's just from the songs that have been bootlegged, There's at least another 30 or 40 songs that haven't.

I've been listening to Pac only for two weeks straight it seems i do like rap, well the 'hits' at least. 'Thugz Mansion' makes me so sad from beginning to end ive never heard a more enthusistic vocal delivery lyric in a song when he describes his afterlife and what he's doing in it in so much detail to his mum it just makes me which it existed. I'd say to live & die in la is his best song. Do you have any recommendations for a casual listener besides

me and my girlfriend, hail mary, me against the world, shed so many tears, i ain't mad at cha, thugs get lonely too, thugz mansion, do for love, staring through my rear view, ghetto gospel, keep ya head up, i wonder if heaven got a ghetto, my block, dear mama, temptation, changes, how do u want it, california love, picture me rollin', ambitionz az ah ridah?

Found this list of tracks here not sure how correct it is though. I think most of 'Pac's unreleased tracks were recorded when he first signed with Death Row. I remember reading in a book or watching a documentary which said that he was really going all out in the studio putting tracks down. Has every unreleased track been bootlegged?, I remember one Pac track on one of the posthumous comps used the same verse(s) of another and it wasn't a remix, I forget which track but I think it used lyrics from 'I Wonder if Heaven got a Ghetto'.