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Reply #90 posted 09/02/14 4:33pm

SeventeenDayze

MidniteMagnet said:

So now Justin is racist because he likes r&b and didn't comment on Ferguson? What kind of logic is that? Did you want him to repeat the same generic statements that everyone else said? It's sad, it's a tragedy, etc. What more can be said?

I'm white, I listen to 99% r&b and I can quote virtually every episode of 227. I guess that makes me a racist because I didn't comment on Ferguson?

And no, I don't want to be black just because I like black music and black movies and I doubt Justin does either. I like having contrast between my hair and skin. If my skin turned brown, I'd have brown hair, brown eyes and brown skin. Plus, I'd start being profiled by the whites..no thanks!

You're reducing Ferguson to your ability to "recite every episode of 227"....wow. Good for you, lemme see if I can find a black pass to give you. Are you ready to be racially profiled, are you ready to be stalked by cops? Are you ready to have white tell you racism is a figment of your imagination? Are you ready to work twice as hard only to get half as much? Are you ready to be considered guilty before innocent? If so, step right up and be prepared to be quizzed on how much you enjoy cultural artifacts but probably cling like nobody's business to white priviledge at every turn....geez....

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Reply #91 posted 09/02/14 4:37pm

mjscarousal

MidniteMagnet said:

So now Justin is racist because he likes r&b and didn't comment on Ferguson? What kind of logic is that? Did you want him to repeat the same generic statements that everyone else said? It's sad, it's a tragedy, etc. What more can be said?

I'm white, I listen to 99% r&b and I can quote virtually every episode of 227. I guess that makes me a racist because I didn't comment on Ferguson?

And no, I don't want to be black just because I like black music and black movies and I doubt Justin does either. I like having contrast between my hair and skin. If my skin turned brown, I'd have brown hair, brown eyes and brown skin. Plus, I'd start being profiled by the whites..no thanks!

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Reply #92 posted 09/02/14 5:07pm

SeventeenDayze

mjscarousal said:

MidniteMagnet said:

So now Justin is racist because he likes r&b and didn't comment on Ferguson? What kind of logic is that? Did you want him to repeat the same generic statements that everyone else said? It's sad, it's a tragedy, etc. What more can be said?

I'm white, I listen to 99% r&b and I can quote virtually every episode of 227. I guess that makes me a racist because I didn't comment on Ferguson?

And no, I don't want to be black just because I like black music and black movies and I doubt Justin does either. I like having contrast between my hair and skin. If my skin turned brown, I'd have brown hair, brown eyes and brown skin. Plus, I'd start being profiled by the whites..no thanks!

How long before we tell them that Prince and about 15 million or so black American have "contrast" in our skin and hair. LOL! GTFOHWTBS!!!! LOL!!! So ignorant it's funny! LOL

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Reply #93 posted 09/02/14 5:22pm

mjscarousal

SeventeenDayze said:

mjscarousal said:

How long before we tell them that Prince and about 15 million or so black American have "contrast" in our skin and hair. LOL! GTFOHWTBS!!!! LOL!!! So ignorant it's funny! LOL

LOL Chile I thought it was just me. I had to do a double take. WTF? neutral confused lol This is why I get irriated when I see black people being depicted in the media a certain way. People say that the masses don't believe the black stereotypes and images but that is b.s.

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Reply #94 posted 09/02/14 5:55pm

SeventeenDayze

mjscarousal said:

SeventeenDayze said:

How long before we tell them that Prince and about 15 million or so black American have "contrast" in our skin and hair. LOL! GTFOHWTBS!!!! LOL!!! So ignorant it's funny! LOL

LOL Chile I thought it was just me. I had to do a double take. WTF? neutral confused lol This is why I get irriated when I see black people being depicted in the media a certain way. People say that the masses don't believe the black stereotypes and images but that is b.s.

Get the popcorn out. Be prepared for the onslaught of apologists (even moreso now) to try to convince us that it's all in our (nappy) lil' heads popcorn lol If I were really messy, I'd ask if he/she worries about this "contrast" when they are tanning at the beach or in a tanning booth gettin' fried up from head to toe!

[Edited 9/2/14 17:56pm]

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Reply #95 posted 09/02/14 6:42pm

Tuls101

I just find it upsetting that racism IS indeed such a big issue that even innocuous comments without ill intent can be taken so seriously. Even the post that mentioned 227, I don't think ill intent was meant with that comment. The whole post seemed pretty facetious to me. But it was perceived as attempting to undermine a tragedy.

Even more than using the word ninja, it seems a lot of what I'm reading is anger that Justin will never have to go through what a black man goes through, yet he has no problem using black culture to make $. He gets to bypass the bad stuff and just be adored by the public and make his $$$. He's white and never will be able to experience the FULL black experience, so that means he can't be inspired by the music and style? Clearly he's a pop star who integrates some R&B into his sound, to my knowledge he's never claimed to be Al Green or Marvin Gaye either.

I personally don't use "ninja" in the innocuous nor hateful way but I can understand why it's hard to tell where the line is for some as the word has become so omnipresent. I can even remember white suburban teens in the 90's referring to each other as such. Obviously, many blacks refer to each other as such and I've even seen blacks and whites use it to each other. It's all over songs and movies used as almost a term of endearment.
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Reply #96 posted 09/04/14 2:29pm

CynicKill

This is for mjscarousal and seventeendayze:

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Reply #97 posted 09/04/14 2:33pm

SeventeenDayze

Tuls101 said:

I just find it upsetting that racism IS indeed such a big issue that even innocuous comments without ill intent can be taken so seriously. Even the post that mentioned 227, I don't think ill intent was meant with that comment. The whole post seemed pretty facetious to me. But it was perceived as attempting to undermine a tragedy. Even more than using the word ninja, it seems a lot of what I'm reading is anger that Justin will never have to go through what a black man goes through, yet he has no problem using black culture to make $. He gets to bypass the bad stuff and just be adored by the public and make his $$$. He's white and never will be able to experience the FULL black experience, so that means he can't be inspired by the music and style? Clearly he's a pop star who integrates some R&B into his sound, to my knowledge he's never claimed to be Al Green or Marvin Gaye either. I personally don't use "ninja" in the innocuous nor hateful way but I can understand why it's hard to tell where the line is for some as the word has become so omnipresent. I can even remember white suburban teens in the 90's referring to each other as such. Obviously, many blacks refer to each other as such and I've even seen blacks and whites use it to each other. It's all over songs and movies used as almost a term of endearment.

The fact that you are upset by an issue that apparently has no direct impact on your life whatsoever reflects the selfish intent in which you and many other folks who are basically cry babies who are upset that there are people out there who have and probably forever will suffer from not having white skin. You don't read statistics much but lemme break it down for you. The overwhelming majority of upper management in all corporations are white men. The overwhelming majority of females in upper management in all corporations are white women. If you honestly believe that the overwhelming majority of non-white people in this country aren't "smart enough" to get to the top on their own so-called merit, then I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.

Since when is it okay for white people to complain about racism as if it directly impacts their lives in the sense that it is a DETRIMENT to their lives. I'm just not buying it. Sorry.

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Reply #98 posted 09/04/14 6:47pm

SeventeenDayze

CynicKill said:

This is for mjscarousal and seventeendayze:

>

Thanks for the laughs, this video was hilarious. Whoever did MJ's voice was right on the money, it sounded just like him! LOL! I laughed at the part with Justin Timberlake because that's how I feel about him too. I didn't realize that he took a bunch of MJ's rejected songs and had The Neptunes produce that album. Further evidence that he's a lot of smoke and mirrors. I don't think that dude has an original bone in his uncoordinated body. How you gonna rip off the same artists that you make fun of and then try to pass of as if YOU were the originator? #colonizedminds

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Reply #99 posted 09/04/14 7:06pm

duccichucka

mjscarousal said:

Justin Timberlake is NOT an R&B artist. lol

He is a pop star who occassionally makes poor imitations of R&B music. Whether the intentions are to be racist or not, its not respectful or appropiate to say the N word regardless of what race you are. Justin is a dooche. He has made a ton of inappropiate comments about black people but then wants to make his money off of black musi. He made fun of Prince when he accepted an award for him and then made fun of Rihanna's mother on national television. He is an asshole which is why people do not like him and its as simple as that.


Did Justin Timberlake slap the shit out of you or something? Why do you harbor such ill-will

towards someone who doesn't even know that you exist? Jesus!

He does not make "poor imitations of R&B music." The fact that R&B artists and musicians

consistently want to work with him, and do work with him, means that his approach to R&B

comes from a place that desires to make authentic R&B music, otherwise, Pharrell, Timbaland,

and all the other producers who have worked with him wouldn't have.

And who cares if he made fun of Prince? And who cares if he made fun of Rihanna? What does

that have to do with his music?

Nothing.

I agree with you on one thing, though: he was certainly out of pocket for using the word "ninja"

and needs to be checked. He may be a fan of Black culture, and I'm cool with that, but some

stuff is off limits. He and Madonna (who recently used the word "nigga" too) both need a dose

of getting checked.

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Reply #100 posted 09/04/14 7:33pm

CynicKill

I'm sorry but "Sexy never left" is a helluva line, and coming from Prince? Priceless. But is it a diss at Timberlake? It hardly sounds like one. But I guess he had the right to strike back. But Prince never directky attacked Timberlake. the diss at Janet was out of line considering his conspiratorial relation to Nipplegate.

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Reply #101 posted 09/04/14 7:41pm

CynicKill

And then there's the whole co-opting thing.

Remember this article?

http://raprehab.com/notic...er-needed/

I can't help but think of Usher. How everyone was so upset and blamed him for going EDM and all he had to do was return to his R&B roots to get back into everyone's good graces. But look at what's happening. His singles are struggling. I don't think either of his songs hit the top ten. Now I suppose you can argue that "Good Kisser" and "She Came To Give It To You" are not as good as "Suit and Tie", but to some people it looks like the audience isn't accepting R&B from black artists anymore since we have white artists doing far "superior" work.

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Reply #102 posted 09/04/14 7:52pm

mjscarousal

duccichucka said:

mjscarousal said:

Justin Timberlake is NOT an R&B artist. lol

He is a pop star who occassionally makes poor imitations of R&B music. Whether the intentions are to be racist or not, its not respectful or appropiate to say the N word regardless of what race you are. Justin is a dooche. He has made a ton of inappropiate comments about black people but then wants to make his money off of black musi. He made fun of Prince when he accepted an award for him and then made fun of Rihanna's mother on national television. He is an asshole which is why people do not like him and its as simple as that.


Did Justin Timberlake slap the shit out of you or something? Why do you harbor such ill-will

towards someone who doesn't even know that you exist? Jesus!

He does not make "poor imitations of R&B music." The fact that R&B artists and musicians

consistently want to work with him, and do work with him, means that his approach to R&B

comes from a place that desires to make authentic R&B music, otherwise, Pharrell, Timbaland,

and all the other producers who have worked with him wouldn't have.

And who cares if he made fun of Prince? And who cares if he made fun of Rihanna? What does

that have to do with his music?

Nothing.

I agree with you on one thing, though: he was certainly out of pocket for using the word "ninja"

and needs to be checked. He may be a fan of Black culture, and I'm cool with that, but some

stuff is off limits. He and Madonna (who recently used the word "nigga" too) both need a dose

of getting checked.

lol Why do you make extreme labels about people for forming an opinion? I could easily say why do you constantly kiss Justin's ass but instead I just see you as expressing your opinion which you are entitled too. This is a public forum and I am just expressing my opinion. Why do I have to harbor something just for expressing criticism? I didnt call him out his name or curse his family. I did not even call him racist so the first sentences of this post was unnessessary.

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Reply #103 posted 09/04/14 8:22pm

SeventeenDayze

mjscarousal said:

duccichucka said:


Did Justin Timberlake slap the shit out of you or something? Why do you harbor such ill-will

towards someone who doesn't even know that you exist? Jesus!

He does not make "poor imitations of R&B music." The fact that R&B artists and musicians

consistently want to work with him, and do work with him, means that his approach to R&B

comes from a place that desires to make authentic R&B music, otherwise, Pharrell, Timbaland,

and all the other producers who have worked with him wouldn't have.

And who cares if he made fun of Prince? And who cares if he made fun of Rihanna? What does

that have to do with his music?

Nothing.

I agree with you on one thing, though: he was certainly out of pocket for using the word "ninja"

and needs to be checked. He may be a fan of Black culture, and I'm cool with that, but some

stuff is off limits. He and Madonna (who recently used the word "nigga" too) both need a dose

of getting checked.

lol Why do you make extreme labels about people for forming an opinion? I could easily say why do you constantly kiss Justin's ass but instead I just see you as expressing your opinion which you are entitled too. This is a public forum and I am just expressing my opinion. Why do I have to harbor something just for expressing criticism? I didnt call him out his name or curse his family. I did not even call him racist so the first sentences of this post was unnessessary.

All these folks on here defending Justin Timberlake because the idea of a white person unsuccessfully imitating a black person is too much for many to swallow. All these people making excuses for Justin but had nothing to say about the Ferguson riots? Give me a break lol We are entitled to think that Justin is a phony and I have listed my reasons in this thread and in others. He's about as real as a 3 dollar bill to me.

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Reply #104 posted 09/05/14 7:27pm

Tuls101

SeventeenDayze said:



Tuls101 said:


I just find it upsetting that racism IS indeed such a big issue that even innocuous comments without ill intent can be taken so seriously. Even the post that mentioned 227, I don't think ill intent was meant with that comment. The whole post seemed pretty facetious to me. But it was perceived as attempting to undermine a tragedy. Even more than using the word ninja, it seems a lot of what I'm reading is anger that Justin will never have to go through what a black man goes through, yet he has no problem using black culture to make $. He gets to bypass the bad stuff and just be adored by the public and make his $$$. He's white and never will be able to experience the FULL black experience, so that means he can't be inspired by the music and style? Clearly he's a pop star who integrates some R&B into his sound, to my knowledge he's never claimed to be Al Green or Marvin Gaye either. I personally don't use "ninja" in the innocuous nor hateful way but I can understand why it's hard to tell where the line is for some as the word has become so omnipresent. I can even remember white suburban teens in the 90's referring to each other as such. Obviously, many blacks refer to each other as such and I've even seen blacks and whites use it to each other. It's all over songs and movies used as almost a term of endearment.

The fact that you are upset by an issue that apparently has no direct impact on your life whatsoever reflects the selfish intent in which you and many other folks who are basically cry babies who are upset that there are people out there who have and probably forever will suffer from not having white skin. You don't read statistics much but lemme break it down for you. The overwhelming majority of upper management in all corporations are white men. The overwhelming majority of females in upper management in all corporations are white women. If you honestly believe that the overwhelming majority of non-white people in this country aren't "smart enough" to get to the top on their own so-called merit, then I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.



Since when is it okay for white people to complain about racism as if it directly impacts their lives in the sense that it is a DETRIMENT to their lives. I'm just not buying it. Sorry.




I'm a selfish cry baby because I find the fact racism (and homophobia and sexism etc etc) even exists is upsetting? Did you really just pin some ulterior motive on me for even THAT comment? Where did I ever say non-white people aren't smart enough to get to the top on their own merit? I also never said racism is a detriment to the lives of white people. Just because I disagree with people giving Justin a hard time for being inspired by black artists, doesn't mean I consider that a detriment to him personally. I would never equate something as trivial as that with the everyday racism many minorities have to endure. I also agree that there is an unfair balance in corporate America. That has nothing to do with my feeling that artists should be able to be inspired by whatever connects with them.
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Reply #105 posted 09/05/14 7:36pm

Tuls101

SeventeenDayze said:



mjscarousal said:




duccichucka said:




Did Justin Timberlake slap the shit out of you or something? Why do you harbor such ill-will


towards someone who doesn't even know that you exist? Jesus!

He does not make "poor imitations of R&B music." The fact that R&B artists and musicians


consistently want to work with him, and do work with him, means that his approach to R&B


comes from a place that desires to make authentic R&B music, otherwise, Pharrell, Timbaland,


and all the other producers who have worked with him wouldn't have.

And who cares if he made fun of Prince? And who cares if he made fun of Rihanna? What does


that have to do with his music?

Nothing.

I agree with you on one thing, though: he was certainly out of pocket for using the word "ninja"


and needs to be checked. He may be a fan of Black culture, and I'm cool with that, but some


stuff is off limits. He and Madonna (who recently used the word "nigga" too) both need a dose


of getting checked.




lol Why do you make extreme labels about people for forming an opinion? I could easily say why do you constantly kiss Justin's ass but instead I just see you as expressing your opinion which you are entitled too. This is a public forum and I am just expressing my opinion. Why do I have to harbor something just for expressing criticism? I didnt call him out his name or curse his family. I did not even call him racist so the first sentences of this post was unnessessary.




All these folks on here defending Justin Timberlake because the idea of a white person unsuccessfully imitating a black person is too much for many to swallow. All these people making excuses for Justin but had nothing to say about the Ferguson riots? Give me a break lol We are entitled to think that Justin is a phony and I have listed my reasons in this thread and in others. He's about as real as a 3 dollar bill to me.




Nobody is saying you can't find him phony and despise him. In the end though, no matter how phony you think he is, it's your opinion and plenty others agree and many others disagree. That's why he should be able to be inspired by who and whatever he wants to be inspired by, as should any artist for that matter.

And btw, Justin doesn't imply that he's this big innovator he gives full credit to all he collaborates with. Sometimes you see what you wanna see though.
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Reply #106 posted 09/05/14 7:53pm

lowkey

this is what happens when the black community allows white people to overstay their welcome...they get comfortable. he knew exactly what he was doing, by him substituting the N word with ninja tells me he's use to saying it.and i feel sorry forthem lil blackkids madonna stole, if she refer to her white kid as n_igga no telling what she calls them.this is nothing more than modern day minstrel shows.

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Reply #107 posted 09/05/14 8:03pm

CynicKill

lowkey said:

this is what happens when the black community allows white people to overstay their welcome...they get comfortable. he knew exactly what he was doing, by him substituting the N word with ninja tells me he's use to saying it.and i feel sorry forthem lil blackkids madonna stole, if she refer to her white kid as n_igga no telling what she calls them.this is nothing more than modern day minstrel shows.

>

Well he is the only white face, the leader if you will, of an all black band. Dare I say his band is probably really dumb with the word, so I'm sure he hears it all the time.

It is kinda musical poetic irony that with the industry going down the tubes the only thing people will accept in mass quantities is white people performing black music (Justin, Adele, Sam Smith). Or I'm just overthinking it. I tend to do that too...

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Reply #108 posted 09/05/14 8:52pm

SeventeenDayze

lowkey said:

this is what happens when the black community allows white people to overstay their welcome...they get comfortable. he knew exactly what he was doing, by him substituting the N word with ninja tells me he's use to saying it.and i feel sorry forthem lil blackkids madonna stole, if she refer to her white kid as n_igga no telling what she calls them.this is nothing more than modern day minstrel shows.

Agreed. He's just an example of someone who likes to play black but takes his whiteness to the bank. Anybody with half a brain can see that but as someone else said, you see what you "want" to see rolleyes Once again the tactic of trying to brainwash someone into thinking that race isn't an issue at all in "this" situation. Oh well, wake me up when someone finally admits that something IS about race since so many people are experts about when it is not!

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Reply #109 posted 09/05/14 8:53pm

SeventeenDayze

CynicKill said:

lowkey said:

this is what happens when the black community allows white people to overstay their welcome...they get comfortable. he knew exactly what he was doing, by him substituting the N word with ninja tells me he's use to saying it.and i feel sorry forthem lil blackkids madonna stole, if she refer to her white kid as n_igga no telling what she calls them.this is nothing more than modern day minstrel shows.

>

Well he is the only white face, the leader if you will, of an all black band. Dare I say his band is probably really dumb with the word, so I'm sure he hears it all the time.

It is kinda musical poetic irony that with the industry going down the tubes the only thing people will accept in mass quantities is white people performing black music (Justin, Adele, Sam Smith). Or I'm just overthinking it. I tend to do that too...

No, you're not over thinking it. There are a lot of people who plant these stories in the media that pretty much amount to "look, something else black people gave up on and now we have it". Just my opinion though.

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Reply #110 posted 09/05/14 11:19pm

Tuls101

SeventeenDayze said:



lowkey said:


this is what happens when the black community allows white people to overstay their welcome...they get comfortable. he knew exactly what he was doing, by him substituting the N word with ninja tells me he's use to saying it.and i feel sorry forthem lil blackkids madonna stole, if she refer to her white kid as n_igga no telling what she calls them.this is nothing more than modern day minstrel shows.



Agreed. He's just an example of someone who likes to play black but takes his whiteness to the bank. Anybody with half a brain can see that but as someone else said, you see what you "want" to see rolleyes Once again the tactic of trying to brainwash someone into thinking that race isn't an issue at all in "this" situation. Oh well, wake me up when someone finally admits that something IS about race since so many people are experts about when it is not!



How does one "play black"? Let me know cuz I'd hate to accidentally do it and offend someone. Where is the quote he claims to be the king/innovator of R&B and the expert on black culture? I must've skimmed over it. He couldn't just possibly be a white pop star that appreciates some R&B music. He has an underlying motive to disrespect the black community as much as he can get away with. No doubt that's been his intent the whole time. Are you pissed that some black people and BET celebrate him at times while you are in the corner seething, pointing, screaming "he's a fake! He's a fake!" and he's just getting more and more successful?

So what is your solution to prevent this in the future? White artists only be inspired by white artists, black artists only by black artists? No genre mixing? Justin should appear at every music ceremony celebrating R&B artists, jump on stage and rattle off all the names of black people he was inspired by or that helped him create a song? Should he throw on a cowboy hat, strum a guitar and stay in "his own lane".....because all country artists are racists (don't tell Darius Rucker that though) and he IS from the South so no doubt he HAS to be racist.
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Reply #111 posted 09/07/14 5:05am

duccichucka

mjscarousal said:

duccichucka said:


Did Justin Timberlake slap the shit out of you or something? Why do you harbor such ill-will

towards someone who doesn't even know that you exist? Jesus!

He does not make "poor imitations of R&B music." The fact that R&B artists and musicians

consistently want to work with him, and do work with him, means that his approach to R&B

comes from a place that desires to make authentic R&B music, otherwise, Pharrell, Timbaland,

and all the other producers who have worked with him wouldn't have.

And who cares if he made fun of Prince? And who cares if he made fun of Rihanna? What does

that have to do with his music?

Nothing.

I agree with you on one thing, though: he was certainly out of pocket for using the word "ninja"

and needs to be checked. He may be a fan of Black culture, and I'm cool with that, but some

stuff is off limits. He and Madonna (who recently used the word "nigga" too) both need a dose

of getting checked.

lol Why do you make extreme labels about people for forming an opinion? I could easily say why do you constantly kiss Justin's ass but instead I just see you as expressing your opinion which you are entitled too. This is a public forum and I am just expressing my opinion. Why do I have to harbor something just for expressing criticism? I didnt call him out his name or curse his family. I did not even call him racist so the first sentences of this post was unnessessary.


You called him a "douche" as if he's personally attacked you. And your vitriol towards him

seems over the top; it's hardly influenced by any facts, just some type of personal resentment.

For example, you claim that he makes imitation R&B music. But you never tells us what real

R&B music is! No! Don't do it; don't list real R&B artists (in your opinion) and expect that to

count as a valid definition. It's as if your disdain for him overtakes reason. And you did call

him out:

"Justin is a dooche...He is an asshole which is why people do not like him and its as simple as

that."

I don't care if he's a douche. And/or an asshole. You know who else in pop music has been

referred to similarly?

Prince.

I just like the man's music and don't enjoy that experience based upon whether or not I agree

with his personality traits. I'm tired of people always hollerin' about "It's my opinion! I'm en-

titled to my opinion!" Look - you can have all the opinions you want. But sometimes,

opinions are stupid, in that they are based off of emotions with little thought to support them.

You are entitled to have the opinion that the sky is red. But that don't mean that opinion ain't

stupid!

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Reply #112 posted 09/07/14 5:24am

duccichucka

SeventeenDayze said:

mjscarousal said:

lol Why do you make extreme labels about people for forming an opinion? I could easily say why do you constantly kiss Justin's ass but instead I just see you as expressing your opinion which you are entitled too. This is a public forum and I am just expressing my opinion. Why do I have to harbor something just for expressing criticism? I didnt call him out his name or curse his family. I did not even call him racist so the first sentences of this post was unnessessary.

All these folks on here defending Justin Timberlake because the idea of a white person unsuccessfully imitating a black person is too much for many to swallow. All these people making excuses for Justin but had nothing to say about the Ferguson riots? Give me a break lol We are entitled to think that Justin is a phony and I have listed my reasons in this thread and in others. He's about as real as a 3 dollar bill to me.


Dayze, get the fuck off of it. I don't have to qualify my posts that defend Justin Timberlake's

music, while castigating him for using the word "ninja," with a comment about the Ferguson

riots. That's fucking ridiculous and a qualification you pulled outta yer arsehole.

You're another one who hides behind the entitled right to an opinion but don't really place too

much emphasis on providing objective facts for the opinion. I'm not defending Justin Timber-

lake's use of the word "ninja." I've done nothing in this thread but chastise him for doing so,

and arguing that his Black friends have metaphorically, let him get away with murder. And I

included Madonna in that chastisement too. What I'm arguing with Carousal about is her constant

JT bashing as if he makes watered down, fake, imitation R&B music. But she cannot tells us

what the definition of "real R&B music" is and I'm almost certain that she cannot explain why

Justin Timberlake's music does not fit that description. There's hardly a musically trained music-

ologist here in this thread; let's be real. I think that the only reason why Timberlake gets hate in

this thread is because the white media has portrayed a white boy as a worthy successor to you

know who and y'all can't deal with the notion of someone actually making a successful attempt

to replace you know who (but trust me - he won't. You know who's legacy is safe).

Whose fault is that? I'm supposed to automatically dislike Timberlake because of his obvious

influences?

And for those of you who say that Justin Timberlake makes imitation R&B, I dare you to compare

the R&B merits of "Take Back the Night" with anything you know who* produced.



*Michael Jackson, for the uninitiated

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Reply #113 posted 09/07/14 7:35am

CynicKill

duccichucka said:

SeventeenDayze said:

All these folks on here defending Justin Timberlake because the idea of a white person unsuccessfully imitating a black person is too much for many to swallow. All these people making excuses for Justin but had nothing to say about the Ferguson riots? Give me a break lol We are entitled to think that Justin is a phony and I have listed my reasons in this thread and in others. He's about as real as a 3 dollar bill to me.


Dayze, get the fuck off of it. I don't have to qualify my posts that defend Justin Timberlake's

music, while castigating him for using the word "ninja," with a comment about the Ferguson

riots. That's fucking ridiculous and a qualification you pulled outta yer arsehole.

You're another one who hides behind the entitled right to an opinion but don't really place too

much emphasis on providing objective facts for the opinion. I'm not defending Justin Timber-

lake's use of the word "ninja." I've done nothing in this thread but chastise him for doing so,

and arguing that his Black friends have metaphorically, let him get away with murder. And I

included Madonna in that chastisement too. What I'm arguing with Carousal about is her constant

JT bashing as if he makes watered down, fake, imitation R&B music. But she cannot tells us

what the definition of "real R&B music" is and I'm almost certain that she cannot explain why

Justin Timberlake's music does not fit that description. There's hardly a musically trained music-

ologist here in this thread; let's be real. I think that the only reason why Timberlake gets hate in

this thread is because the white media has portrayed a white boy as a worthy successor to you

know who and y'all can't deal with the notion of someone actually making a successful attempt

to replace you know who (but trust me - he won't. You know who's legacy is safe).

Whose fault is that? I'm supposed to automatically dislike Timberlake because of his obvious

influences?

And for those of you who say that Justin Timberlake makes imitation R&B, I dare you to compare

the R&B merits of "Take Back the Night" with anything you know who* produced.



*Michael Jackson, for the uninitiated

lol You had to ruin it by pandering to the clueless!

...the dumbing down of the nation...

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Reply #114 posted 09/07/14 7:57am

CynicKill

This IS one case where I'm grateful for Michael Jackson fans. The media will try to make Justin the successor, but MJ fans are too irrational, vocal and just batsh!t crazy to let that happen. Unless Justin decides to give up on music and focus on an acting career. Everyone seems determined to make him gifted at that too.

All this being said I think even some detractors (a couple obvious people notwitstanding) can admit that Justin has put out some enjoyable, solid work. He and Timbaland (who claims Justin co-writes everything) have stumbled into a groove.

Maybe the whole "charm" thing has rubbed some the wrong way. He's good looking which I think gives him a pass in many situations. It reminds me of the "30 Rock" episode where Liz tries to have a relationship with Jon Hamm only to realize that because he's so good looking his life is radically different then hers. I mean just look at all the press he gets for co-hosting Saturday Night Live. He's good for SNL acting, but performers who have really killed it as hosts (Lady Gaga, Bruno Mars) don't get half the press.

The whole appropriation thing goes beyond music into sociology. R&B used to be a haven for black artist. There was a time when Luther Vandross and the like were having multi-platinum albums yet rarely saw a pop chart. Then they crossed over. Now it seems the only way to sell R&B is to be white. It's kind of a strange phenomenon especially if "all things black" are supposedly inferior to the culture. But then that goes back to if you don't have to pay blacks to do it then why pay?

So my final verdict on whether Justin is racist or not is a confident No.

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Reply #115 posted 09/07/14 9:38am

KCOOLMUZIQ

Justin has the "black" card so he is excused in my book. Even though he turned his back on my girl janet...

eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #116 posted 09/07/14 9:45am

SeventeenDayze

CynicKill said:

duccichucka said:


Dayze, get the fuck off of it. I don't have to qualify my posts that defend Justin Timberlake's

music, while castigating him for using the word "ninja," with a comment about the Ferguson

riots. That's fucking ridiculous and a qualification you pulled outta yer arsehole.

You're another one who hides behind the entitled right to an opinion but don't really place too

much emphasis on providing objective facts for the opinion. I'm not defending Justin Timber-

lake's use of the word "ninja." I've done nothing in this thread but chastise him for doing so,

and arguing that his Black friends have metaphorically, let him get away with murder. And I

included Madonna in that chastisement too. What I'm arguing with Carousal about is her constant

JT bashing as if he makes watered down, fake, imitation R&B music. But she cannot tells us

what the definition of "real R&B music" is and I'm almost certain that she cannot explain why

Justin Timberlake's music does not fit that description. There's hardly a musically trained music-

ologist here in this thread; let's be real. I think that the only reason why Timberlake gets hate in

this thread is because the white media has portrayed a white boy as a worthy successor to you

know who and y'all can't deal with the notion of someone actually making a successful attempt

to replace you know who (but trust me - he won't. You know who's legacy is safe).

Whose fault is that? I'm supposed to automatically dislike Timberlake because of his obvious

influences?

And for those of you who say that Justin Timberlake makes imitation R&B, I dare you to compare

the R&B merits of "Take Back the Night" with anything you know who* produced.



*Michael Jackson, for the uninitiated

lol You had to ruin it by pandering to the clueless!

...the dumbing down of the nation...

I stopped reading after you said to "get off it" (to paraphrase because what you said was vulgar). If you can't articulate yourself about the opinions that I have which you obviously disagree with, I have no reason to take you seriously as anything more than a troll. Bottom line, Justin is a faker who capitalizes off black culture. He's not the first and he certainly won't be the last.

Trolls be gone!
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Reply #117 posted 09/07/14 9:49am

SeventeenDayze

CynicKill said:

This IS one case where I'm grateful for Michael Jackson fans. The media will try to make Justin the successor, but MJ fans are too irrational, vocal and just batsh!t crazy to let that happen. Unless Justin decides to give up on music and focus on an acting career. Everyone seems determined to make him gifted at that too.

All this being said I think even some detractors (a couple obvious people notwitstanding) can admit that Justin has put out some enjoyable, solid work. He and Timbaland (who claims Justin co-writes everything) have stumbled into a groove.

Maybe the whole "charm" thing has rubbed some the wrong way. He's good looking which I think gives him a pass in many situations. It reminds me of the "30 Rock" episode where Liz tries to have a relationship with Jon Hamm only to realize that because he's so good looking his life is radically different then hers. I mean just look at all the press he gets for co-hosting Saturday Night Live. He's good for SNL acting, but performers who have really killed it as hosts (Lady Gaga, Bruno Mars) don't get half the press.

The whole appropriation thing goes beyond music into sociology. R&B used to be a haven for black artist. There was a time when Luther Vandross and the like were having multi-platinum albums yet rarely saw a pop chart. Then they crossed over. Now it seems the only way to sell R&B is to be white. It's kind of a strange phenomenon especially if "all things black" are supposedly inferior to the culture. But then that goes back to if you don't have to pay blacks to do it then why pay?

So my final verdict on whether Justin is racist or not is a confident No.

The part where you wrote that MJ fans are too irrational, vocal and batshit crazy made me laugh. I am gladly part of that camp as well smile

Trolls be gone!
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Reply #118 posted 09/07/14 11:30am

duccichucka

SeventeenDayze said:

CynicKill said:

lol You had to ruin it by pandering to the clueless!

...the dumbing down of the nation...

I stopped reading after you said to "get off it" (to paraphrase because what you said was vulgar). If you can't articulate yourself about the opinions that I have which you obviously disagree with, I have no reason to take you seriously as anything more than a troll. Bottom line, Justin is a faker who capitalizes off black culture. He's not the first and he certainly won't be the last.


First of all, "get off it" is not vulgar unless you make it so. It could mean, "get off" the "ridiculous

bus" you are riding on, for example. And this is innocently how I meant it. Also, you can call me

a pompous know-it-all, but you cannot call me inarticulate. You're being a phoney baloney here.

Second of all, I am no troll. I back up all my posts with thought out opinions that I try to base on

facts. But if calling people out for their unfounded opinions is trolling, then maybe I am a troll!

Third of all, you are disingenuous. The real reason why you decided to stop reading my post to

you is because you have no proper response because what I said to you is on point, and instead,

are choosing to hide behind the ridiculous claim that I was being vulgar and inarticulate. Yeah,

okay dude. rolleyes

Get off of it, Dayze.

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Reply #119 posted 09/07/14 11:43am

duccichucka

How is Justin Timberlake a "faker?"

He's not a white guy who paints his face brown so that he can pass for Black. That would be

an instance of him being racist and/or a faker. But he's white. We all know he's white. He

knows he's white.

He's a Southern kid who grew up listening to R&B music, and being a Southerner, I'm sure he

heard a fair share of blues, soul, and gospel. And guess what? He fucking liked it! That makes

him a faker, because he's enamored with a particular culture?

The Greeks and the Jews should call all of us fakers, if we follow your argument all the way

through, because Western civilization is copying Greek philosophy and Jewish morality - we

Westerners are "fakers." Or, should we call Andre Watts a "faker who capitalizes off of White

culture" because he's a Black man who plays classical music? No, of course not. Or, should we

call Michael Jackson a "faker" because he capitalized off of pop music ("The Way You Make Me

Feel", for example), which is historically "white?" Nope!

So, this is a ridiculous argument, Dayze. C'mon man, don't fall prey to that silly idea that Black

artists should do only Black music and Whites should stick with their own historical genres and

capitalize on them solely. Pop genres have historically been homogenized anyways.

Yes, Timberlake should be scolded for getting a bit too comfortable with his adoration of Black

culture, (maybe he didn't know that "ninja" is internet-ese for "nigga" but I don't think this is the

case). But his capitalization off of Black culture is permissible as one of the natures of culture

and humanity is it is influenced inter-culturally.

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