Growing up there were all these big stars. Huge superstars like MJ and Madonna and then the next level down u had ppl like Janet Jackson, Phil Collins, Jeffrey Osborne, Tina Turner and Prince etc etc and I just kinda accepted they all deserved to be where they were and have ppl saying they were good. Now time has passed and gone by it feels like Janet managed to go up a few more steps on the ladder of how ppl look at her as a legend than she deserved to based on her talent. Maybe down to being Michael's sister?

I mean when I go through her albums now I think she doesn't deserve a whole folder on her own. There are just a couple of quite good tracks on Rhythm Nation and that's it so she goes in my Various Singers folder with people like Bobby Brown. Don't Be Cruel is a better album than any of Janet's albums for one example, and he wasn't exactly Mozart or whatever, though Bobby probably danced better because classical music doesn't have videos. I mean when Bobby was younger because now he has to quit the tour because he's old and can't breathe. Anyway I just degreased but my point I'm trying to make is really Janet Jackson wasn't really ever that good if you are honest. What was so great? She lost a lot of weight that one time but so did Oprah.

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Waiting for the replies from the fans.

Yeah, she didn't "deserve it" and I think a lot of her fans will just have to accept that in the end. Her fame wasn't based just on her being Michael Jackson's sister, it had a lot to do with Michael's personal life being a bit too much for some and her being a safer alternative. That's at least how it was in Europe in the early-90s. I remember how her videos suddenly got played a whole lot more on European music video channels when Michael got accused by Jordan Chandler and his stuff got pushed back considerably. Janet stepped in for a while.

Janet's got some good songs, of course. As her vocal abilities diminished over the years she's just become a bit of a joke as a performer, although I do like some of her later stuff more than the earlier "classics" (why the hell would a man in his 30s listen to something like "Rhythm Nation" or "Black Cat"?) . She's always had a better sense of taste than her brother too, which has helped. She was more aware of trends, dressed better and so on.

I've always been particularly fond of "Got Til It's Gone" and its brilliant use of the Joni Mitchell sample, although I'm not sure if that was Janet's own idea.

Are we only talking about her music or can we including movies/TV as well? I think she was smart to dig even deeper into acting in the past few years. She'll always have her fans and will be relevant in the industry but how she stays relevant will change. A lot of her music now, with a few exceptions, sounds very dated but it will still be considered classics by the fans who grew up in that era. I think most of MJ's music will age better than Janet's music.

But, right now, she's chillin' with a billionaire so I'm sure she's not that worried at the moment

This should be FUN!!!

Oh and nice subtle prince shade. I approve.

Janet's vocals weren't all that strong and good, but I'll give her one thing, she could dance! Her dancing rivaled that of her brother Michael. I love the duet dancing she and Michael did in Scream. Now as for Latoya, that's a different story. Latoya looks and talks like Michael, but that's where the similarities end. I feel sorry for her, still trying to make music and perform, it's so embarrassing!

1contessa said:

Janet's vocals weren't all that strong and good, but I'll give her one thing, she could dance! Her dancing rivaled that of her brother Michael. I love the duet dancing she and Michael did in Scream. Now as for Latoya, that's a different story. Latoya looks and talks like Michael, but that's where the similarities end. I feel sorry for her, still trying to make music and perform, it's so embarrassing!

Yeah, apparently Latoya is married to her manager or something. She's got a reality show and seems to be assisting MJ's kids with getting into acting, promoting, etc. I agree that Janet's dancing at that time was unrivaled. One reason I have never been a fan of Ciara is that she's a blatant Janet Jackson knockoff. Is that why they call her C-Error?

what exactly is it she didnt 'deserve'? if she has fans who love her and her music she deserves whatever she earned from her hardwork. and as a fan no she wasnt that good, she was GREAT at what she did.if you dont like what she did then of course you wouldnt be impressed,im sure if you list the artists you loved there would be a few that dont impress me.

There was Prince, MJ and Madonna...everyone else came second for two decades. Springsteen, George Michael, Bobby Brown, Janet Jackson, Lionel Ritchie, Tina Turner all were HOT, but not at the same level.

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Me too. This is going to be good

Janet's music was much better than Michael's. Plus she wasn't a hideous freak that jumped on cars in her pajamas and dangled babies off a balcony.

I think you make some good points acknowleding how in the early 90's people gravitated more towards Janet than Michael due to his troubles. I think some of that is "partially" true. However, she became a star on her own merit. She was a great dancer, had great choregraphy, performances, music videos, was beautiful, etc. I actually think currently she is tremendously underrated. Its almost like her success in the late 80's and 90's "never existed". She deserves to be called an Icon.

Revolution said:

There was Prince, MJ and Madonna...everyone else came second for two decades. Springsteen, George Michael, Bobby Brown, Janet Jackson, Lionel Ritchie, Tina Turner all were HOT, but not at the same level.

Beg the differ about Springsteen, Turner & Ritchie

Here for the drama that's about to happen. Takes a seat. Grabs bag of Pops open a can of

TD3 said:

No she wasn't. Ms. Jackson has zero talent; her last name fueled a career that would have otherwise NEVEr existed. ps. IMHO ------------------ [Edited 7/26/14 20:30pm]

I absolutely adore you.

TD3 said:

Janet ain't worried about all that static

she unleashed a billion dollar manifesto last year that had all the pundits realing...lolll

she ain't gotta release another record in her life

and quite frankly why would she considering all the flack she has received the last 5 years buy "experts" who are just frolicking....

she's doing exactly what she needs to do and that's absolutely nothing

she has nothing to prove....

RHYTHM NATION 1814 was so profound, she encouraged young women who were once in peril to stop taking drugs and pursue further education

and when your music is influencing in on that level, you are making a great contribution to the arts

its' been 25 years, a quarter century since she released that album and there hasn't been another female artist since who has made an album that brilliant, especially what the contemporaries of today are putting out.....

Hudson said:

Janet's music was much better than Michael's. Plus she wasn't a hideous freak that jumped on cars in her pajamas and dangled babies off a balcony.

For the sake of those of us that are MJ fans, can any and all venom about him be started on the MJ sticky? Otherwise, if we're going to simply bring him up to compare Janet's career to MJ's then I guess it could be considered related to the topic at hand. I don't think anyone here is talking about jumping on cars and dangling babies.

TD3 said:

No she wasn't. Ms. Jackson has zero talent; her last name fueled a career that would have otherwise NEVEr existed. ps. IMHO ------------------ [Edited 7/26/14 20:30pm]

Do you think her acting is okay or are you talking about both her acting and music career?

Scorp said:

Janet ain't worried about all that static

she unleashed a billion dollar manifesto last year that had all the pundits realing...lolll

she ain't gotta release another record in her life

and quite frankly why would she considering all the flack she has received the last 5 years buy "experts" who are just frolicking....

she's doing exactly what she needs to do and that's absolutely nothing

she has nothing to prove....

RHYTHM NATION 1814 was so profound, she encouraged young women who were once in peril to stop taking drugs and pursue further education

and when your music is influencing in on that level, you are making a great contribution to the arts

its' been 25 years, a quarter century since she released that album and there hasn't been another female artist since who has made an album that brilliant, especially what the contemporaries of today are putting out.....

I remember seeing a film clip of a fan who said that the song Black Cat kept her from committing suicide. I think that's pretty amazing and I agree with you, there hasn't been a female pop star who has put anything that's even remotely socially conscious as Janet.

HuMpThAnG said:

NaughtyKitty said:

Here for the drama that's about to happen. Takes a seat. Grabs bag of Pops open a can of

Careful there, Naughty What if someone creates a "Bruno has no talent" page? You and I might be kicked out of the Org forever if someone did that! But yeah, raise your glass, this thread should be epic

HuMpThAnG said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Scorp said:

Janet ain't worried about all that static

she unleashed a billion dollar manifesto last year that had all the pundits realing...lolll

she ain't gotta release another record in her life

and quite frankly why would she considering all the flack she has received the last 5 years buy "experts" who are just frolicking....

she's doing exactly what she needs to do and that's absolutely nothing

she has nothing to prove....

RHYTHM NATION 1814 was so profound, she encouraged young women who were once in peril to stop taking drugs and pursue further education

and when your music is influencing in on that level, you are making a great contribution to the arts

its' been 25 years, a quarter century since she released that album and there hasn't been another female artist since who has made an album that brilliant, especially what the contemporaries of today are putting out.....

I remember seeing a film clip of a fan who said that the song Black Cat kept her from committing suicide. I think that's pretty amazing and I agree with you, there hasn't been a female pop star who has put anything that's even remotely socially conscious as Janet.

exactly....

it's not even close.....RHYTHM NATION 1814 is to Janet what WHAT'S GOING ON was to Marvin Gaye...

when she unleashed that record, she caught the entire industry off guard as it did not want socially conscious records presented on the landscape

I was so proud of her for making that great contribution

she laid it on the line for sure...

even her brother Michael was astonished

personally, I think she is retired......

the current day industry ditches recording artists when they start reaching their late 30s

That's exactly how I feel about Michael Jackson.

Other than 'lady in my life' (which is my absolute favourite song but him by a LONNNNG shot) I don't think the dude ever did a convincing love song.

I just could not relate to him and found 85% of his output cheesy or recyled to what he did 10 years before.

He was the kind of artist you were forced to listen to by your parents when you were small because you didn't know any better and so have a nostalgic connection with his music.

But that's just my opinion. The world would be a boring place if we all agreed on the same thing

SeventeenDayze said:

mancabdriver said:

That's exactly how I feel about Michael Jackson.

Other than 'lady in my life' (which is my absolute favourite song but him by a LONNNNG shot) I don't think the dude ever did a convincing love song.

I just could not relate to him and found 85% of his output cheesy or recyled to what he did 10 years before.

He was the kind of artist you were forced to listen to by your parents when you were small because you didn't know any better and so have a nostalgic connection with his music.

But that's just my opinion. The world would be a boring place if we all agreed on the same thing

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"She's Out of My Life".

"Human Nature".

If you want to stretch "Rock With You".

CynicKill said:

mancabdriver said:

That's exactly how I feel about Michael Jackson.

Other than 'lady in my life' (which is my absolute favourite song but him by a LONNNNG shot) I don't think the dude ever did a convincing love song.

I just could not relate to him and found 85% of his output cheesy or recyled to what he did 10 years before.

He was the kind of artist you were forced to listen to by your parents when you were small because you didn't know any better and so have a nostalgic connection with his music.

But that's just my opinion. The world would be a boring place if we all agreed on the same thing

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"She's Out of My Life".

"Human Nature".

If you want to stretch "Rock With You".

meh - 'human nature' is pleasant enough.

Although I do like 'butterflies' which he didn't write or add anything new to because it sounds exactly like the demo which is just as good.

TD3 said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Do you think her acting is okay or are you talking about both her acting and music career?

No talent, on both sides. Janet's voice is razor thin and its not suited for singing nor acting. I would like to know if she ever did a concert without lip singing, I doubt it. One of those countless chicks for-which the video era propelled a career... style versus substance. You can thank Jimmy/Terry also because their music camouflage Jackson's thin voice. (IMHO)

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Janet's achilles heel will always be that she's a mash-up of Prince and Michael, THE two superstars of their day. So she's considered a low budget version. Good songs really helped her so we have to give her that. The video era solidified her. She was up their with Madonna. Who knows where either would be without that era. I'd hesitantly say not far. I was a big fan of all these when they came out. I consider them pre-video era Janet. They went nowhere.

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