GoldDolphin said:

Had Janet not existed we wouldn't have many of the female superstars we have today.She is so UNDERRATED and sadly in Europe - most people view her as Michael Jacksons little sister, which is a shame. I think had she been a male, she would have been more famous though. The woman can dance like a goddess and I always say this, anyone that can dance next to Michael (many did and many failed) and be on his level - is an amazing dancer. I also hate the Michael and Janet comparisons tho, I always did and always will - it is crazy, that we should compare siblings to one another especially with one being the most famous man on earth. Janet was an innovative artist and I'd say most of her 90s music still sounds great today. People loved her music in the 90s, not because of Michael Jacksons life but because she channeled the taste and aesthetics of this time. All I know is that Janet is amazing and I want her to come out with a new album – so I can see her live

absolutely

I've never compared Janet to MJ or vice versa or put one down to like the other

I always thought it was awesome that one family had all that musical talent

Scorp said:

GoldDolphin said:

Had Janet not existed we wouldn't have many of the female superstars we have today.She is so UNDERRATED and sadly in Europe - most people view her as Michael Jacksons little sister, which is a shame. I think had she been a male, she would have been more famous though. The woman can dance like a goddess and I always say this, anyone that can dance next to Michael (many did and many failed) and be on his level - is an amazing dancer. I also hate the Michael and Janet comparisons tho, I always did and always will - it is crazy, that we should compare siblings to one another especially with one being the most famous man on earth. Janet was an innovative artist and I'd say most of her 90s music still sounds great today. People loved her music in the 90s, not because of Michael Jacksons life but because she channeled the taste and aesthetics of this time. All I know is that Janet is amazing and I want her to come out with a new album – so I can see her live

absolutely

I've never compared Janet to MJ or vice versa or put one down to like the other

I always thought it was awesome that one family had all that musical talent

I agree with this. If anything, they've inspired each other over the years, and that has enriched both of their performance styles. To have two pop icons in one family is a great thing. It's usually the rabid MJ fans or Janet haters who like to dog her in order to build him up.

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Perhaps she should have dropped the whole pair

SEANMAN said:

go2theMax said:

in the end of the day, she's a global icon who's so influential that even one of her tits made waves the world over wasn't enough 2 get her a new hit...oh she's had massive amounts of hits 2!

Fixed that for you

go2theMax said:

Perhaps she should have dropped the whole pair

SEANMAN said:

Fixed that for you

SEANMAN said:

go2theMax said:

Perhaps she should have dropped the whole pair

oh..U seem pissed...not much of a failure

go2theMax said:

SEANMAN said:

oh..U seem pissed...not much of a failure

Pissed? Not even close. I'm glad you admit that you're a troll though. That's the first step.

Scorp said:

GoldDolphin said:

Had Janet not existed we wouldn't have many of the female superstars we have today.She is so UNDERRATED and sadly in Europe - most people view her as Michael Jacksons little sister, which is a shame. I think had she been a male, she would have been more famous though. The woman can dance like a goddess and I always say this, anyone that can dance next to Michael (many did and many failed) and be on his level - is an amazing dancer. I also hate the Michael and Janet comparisons tho, I always did and always will - it is crazy, that we should compare siblings to one another especially with one being the most famous man on earth. Janet was an innovative artist and I'd say most of her 90s music still sounds great today. People loved her music in the 90s, not because of Michael Jacksons life but because she channeled the taste and aesthetics of this time. All I know is that Janet is amazing and I want her to come out with a new album – so I can see her live

absolutely

I've never compared Janet to MJ or vice versa or put one down to like the other

I always thought it was awesome that one family had all that musical talent

SEANMAN said:

GoldDolphin said:

Had Janet not existed we wouldn't have many of the female superstars we have today.She is so UNDERRATED and sadly in Europe - most people view her as Michael Jacksons little sister, which is a shame. I think had she been a male, she would have been more famous though. The woman can dance like a goddess and I always say this, anyone that can dance next to Michael (many did and many failed) and be on his level - is an amazing dancer. I also hate the Michael and Janet comparisons tho, I always did and always will - it is crazy, that we should compare siblings to one another especially with one being the most famous man on earth. Janet was an innovative artist and I'd say most of her 90s music still sounds great today. People loved her music in the 90s, not because of Michael Jacksons life but because she channeled the taste and aesthetics of this time. All I know is that Janet is amazing and I want her to come out with a new album – so I can see her live

Agreed. I’m excited about her new project too. And yes, she’s an excellent dancer. I even preferred the way she performed the dance break in the SCREAM video over the way MJ did it, although they both slayed that part. And underrated is right. I’ve never seen an artist who literally inspired generations after him or her to be so overlooked by the media in general. Don’t get me wrong, she has gotten props over the years, but it’s too few and far between. And when you get people like the trolls in this thread who are coming for her in droves by denouncing her career and calling her a fraud and a puppet, it just brings the point home that there are a lot of people out there who are woefully uniformed and need proper “schooling”. I am more than happy to teach.

!!! Well I don't know if I prefer her dancing in the Scream video but what I do LOVE about it, is the fact that nobody sees her as a female dancer next to Michael - but rather a great dancer next to one of the greatest dancers of all time. Her stamina, strength and versatility as a dancer is magical!!

Totally agree and I've never truly understood why that is. Sometimes, I wonder if it has to do with her being a proud black woman? Or because of her name? I don't know. It is very strange to me. I understand her music not being everyone's cup of tea, but she has inspired so many current artists. Yeah,keep posting and educating people !

GoldDolphin said:

SEANMAN said:

Agreed. I’m excited about her new project too. And yes, she’s an excellent dancer. I even preferred the way she performed the dance break in the SCREAM video over the way MJ did it, although they both slayed that part. And underrated is right. I’ve never seen an artist who literally inspired generations after him or her to be so overlooked by the media in general. Don’t get me wrong, she has gotten props over the years, but it’s too few and far between. And when you get people like the trolls in this thread who are coming for her in droves by denouncing her career and calling her a fraud and a puppet, it just brings the point home that there are a lot of people out there who are woefully uniformed and need proper “schooling”. I am more than happy to teach.

!!! Well I don't know if I prefer her dancing in the Scream video but what I do LOVE about it, is the fact that nobody sees her as a female dancer next to Michael - but rather a great dancer next to one of the greatest dancers of all time. Her stamina, strength and versatility as a dancer is magical!!

Totally agree and I've never truly understood why that is. Sometimes, I wonder if it has to do with her being a proud black woman? Or because of her name? I don't know. It is very strange to me. I understand her music not being everyone's cup of tea, but she has inspired so many current artists. Yeah,keep posting and educating people !

SEANMAN said:

GoldDolphin said:

!!! Well I don't know if I prefer her dancing in the Scream video but what I do LOVE about it, is the fact that nobody sees her as a female dancer next to Michael - but rather a great dancer next to one of the greatest dancers of all time. Her stamina, strength and versatility as a dancer is magical!!

Totally agree and I've never truly understood why that is. Sometimes, I wonder if it has to do with her being a proud black woman? Or because of her name? I don't know. It is very strange to me. I understand her music not being everyone's cup of tea, but she has inspired so many current artists. Yeah,keep posting and educating people !

SEANMAN said:

midnightmover said:

This post is so high on childish insults and so low on intellectual content that I'm going to ignore most of it and focus instead on the heart of the matter. The first thing to point out is that you've just called Janet a liar. If Janet said Rene co-wrote her songs for ten years and you're saying he didn't then that means Janet is a liar. Since she said it DOZENS of times that means you're saying she lied dozens of times. Very nice thing to say about your idol.

Secondly, it's not true that she only said this before the divorce. I myself first found out about Rene's secret contributions in 2002 when I was in a waiting room and picked up a magazine that featured an interview with her. That was AFTER the divorce. All anyone needs to do here is apply an ounce of common sense. If Rene was lying about his contributions then Janet could've easily said so. Particularly around the time of "Son of a Gun" (which was about Rene's infidelity). Rene stated in legal documents that he co-wrote 37 released songs with Janet. Janet did not dispute this. Why not? The obvious answer is because it was true, but I'd be interested to see what creative excuses you can dream up to try and gloss over such an obvious point.

Ignore me? You could NEVER! Janet hasn’t exactly been truthful about several things. She was also untruthful about her longtime marriage to Elizondo. Whether she hides/covers up certain things just to maintain a certain sense of privacy (which can be totally understood given what people as famous as she is have to put up with at times), or just because she feels it’s none of the public’s business is not up to her fans to decipher. It is not our job to be a moral compass for Janet Jackson. What we derive pleasure from is listening to the music, watching the videos and attending the concerts. So, the real question that still begs to be asked is, what is your point (other than being a complete annoyance)? As I’ve told you SEVERAL TIMES before, Janet is a writer. She’s penned several songs and/or co-written the bulk of her output since 1986. I don’t know if you, being a troll and all, are just gleaning a weird sense of pleasure from trying to draw attention to a limp opinion that Janet Jackson doesn’t co-write her songs, or what. Whatever your agenda is, it’s unbecoming and kind of sad. Whether or not Rene co-wrote several songs with her or none at all, your opinion on the subject is pointless because she’s just a trivial figure that you never even discuss, right? Even if I believed that you “picked up a magazine in a waiting room in 2002” , your opinion on the subject still wouldn’t matter. In 2002, Janet had already begun dating Jermaine Dupri, and I really don’t recall her giving any interviews around that time that concerned Rene Elizondo. So, to sum it all up, I will just continue to chalk you up as a person who has a really bitter grudge against Janet (or her fans, which would be hilarious) and has let his imagination run away with him.

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Damn, you are so slippery it's a wonder your fingers don't slide off the keys as you type. You've more or less admitted that Janet has a track record of lying (we certainly agree on that, "wardrobe malfunction" anyone?), but you say the lying is only to protect her privacy. But Rene's secret songwriting contributions have nothing to do with personal privacy, so that's a misleading argument.

More sneaky is your claim that Janet only credited Rene with co-writing before their divorce. This is so obviously dishonest that I just did a 30-second Google search to discredit it. What I found was this 2007 interview with the Guardian.....

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2008/feb/10/popandrock.urbanmusic

In it she EXPLICITLY says that she felt like a fraud for co-writing with someone (Rene) and not giving them credit. That interview is in 2007. I found that in just 30 seconds, so your claim that she only admitted this before the divorce is little short of a lie. Janet has confirmed his secret contributions in many interviews since (and yes, that includes whatever magazine I read in that waiting room in 2002). Now that you have clear proof of your error I hope you will behave like a man, and simply admit that you've been proven wrong. There's no shame in being wrong. The shame is in being dishonest.

Interestingly, LA Reid in the same article describes working with Janet as "unusual" since "Janet is not the most..... outspoken person". The writer even comments on what a notable admission that is, given they were still working together at the time. When the writer meets her he says he can see what LA Reid means. What he describes is a very timid woman. You can easily understand why she had to rely on men so much in her career. And you guys actually call her a "strong black woman". What a joke. Statements like that show that it's not only racists who stereotype. Clearly Janet Jackson fans do it too.

[Edited 8/19/14 4:26am]

I'm certain Janet said something during Velvet Rope era about the co-writing and saying he needs to start putting his name on it if they want to continue working/writing together, and that's how he first appeared on the VR credits. Either VIBE in 1997, a US magazine interview from VR or mention in 2001 VIBE was when she said it, I really can't remember anymore where I read it but it was that time frame; it's been too long. I didn't read too many of her interviews in 2007, where did she say that? I'm curious though it sounds believable.

And not to play devil's advocate, but as an artist, I'm glad some of you realize that it's NOT limited to the studio. We will never know how much input he has, but it is too coincidental and naive to not give him credit too at this point for playing a role in janet's life. The man had issues (who cheats on JANET?) but he had talent too, you don't have to be famous or extra special or chosen to have creativity, that is bullshit. Everyone has it.

[Edited 8/19/14 5:07am]

alphastreet said:

I'm certain Janet said something during Velvet Rope era about the co-writing and saying he needs to start putting his name on it if they want to continue working/writing together, and that's how he first appeared on the VR credits. Either VIBE in 1997, a US magazine interview from VR or mention in 2001 VIBE was when she said it, I really can't remember anymore where I read it but it was that time frame; it's been too long. I didn't read too many of her interviews in 2007, where did she say that? I'm curious though it sounds believable.

And not to play devil's advocate, but as an artist, I'm glad some of you realize that it's NOT limited to the studio. We will never know how much input he has, but it is too coincidental and naive to not give him credit too at this point for playing a role in janet's life. The man had issues (who cheats on JANET?) but he had talent too, you don't have to be famous or extra special or chosen to have creativity, that is bullshit. Everyone has it.

[Edited 8/19/14 5:07am]

I already posted the link to that 2007 interview, but I got the date wrong - it's actually 2008. It's with The Guardian. Here it is again. If it doesn't work just copy and paste it to your address bar......

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2008/feb/10/popandrock.urbanmusic2

The interview settles this. It's actually surreal for us to be arguing about something as indisputable as this. Rene co-wrote Janet's songs for 10 years. It is simply dishonest for Janet fans to pretend otherwise. Janet herself certainly doesn't.

[Edited 8/19/14 5:22am]

I believe it though I am a fan. I hate sugarcoating anything, and will not cover up shit if I care enough about someone too. Janet also mentioned on general terms she felt like a Fraud in captions under her pictures and throughout the book in True You. She made the album Velvet Rope after depression and did not hide how she felt guilty for her success without giving reasons. It all adds up. Rene was a part of her life and her vision whether we like it or not, and it's not a bad thing. When you love someone, that's how it is, but some of them janet fans aint getting nothing.

[Edited 8/19/14 5:24am]

alphastreet said:

I believe it though I am a fan. I hate sugarcoating anything, and will do it to those I care about too.

I think that's the difference between fans and stans. It's much harder work being a stan since you have to exert so much energy deceiving yourself. If you're just a fan then you don't take it so personally and can look at the truth calmly.

[Edited 8/19/14 5:28am]

midnightmover said:

alphastreet said:

I believe it though I am a fan. I hate sugarcoating anything, and will do it to those I care about too.

I think that's the difference between fans and stans.

I wrote that all wrong, blame insomnia lol but I edited it, was trying to say the more I care about you, the more I will call shit Watch someone take my quotes and accuse me of discrediting janet, nowhere have I said that.

To add to the rest of your post, I so agree. I acted stan like towards janet years ago, but that's when I was in high school and she was at her creative and commercial peak though I still supported her since. People overdefending are not really defending their artist, they are defending their personal lives and experiences that correlated with their music. Myself included. The minute I realized this, I calmed the hell down over everything.

[Edited 8/19/14 5:52am]

Beautifulstarr123 said:

Janet is pretty, can dance, and is a Jackson. It worked for her.

you gonna get rocked for that one 5-4-3-2-1

midnightmover said:

SEANMAN said:

Ignore me? You could NEVER! Janet hasn’t exactly been truthful about several things. She was also untruthful about her longtime marriage to Elizondo. Whether she hides/covers up certain things just to maintain a certain sense of privacy (which can be totally understood given what people as famous as she is have to put up with at times), or just because she feels it’s none of the public’s business is not up to her fans to decipher. It is not our job to be a moral compass for Janet Jackson. What we derive pleasure from is listening to the music, watching the videos and attending the concerts. So, the real question that still begs to be asked is, what is your point (other than being a complete annoyance)? As I’ve told you SEVERAL TIMES before, Janet is a writer. She’s penned several songs and/or co-written the bulk of her output since 1986. I don’t know if you, being a troll and all, are just gleaning a weird sense of pleasure from trying to draw attention to a limp opinion that Janet Jackson doesn’t co-write her songs, or what. Whatever your agenda is, it’s unbecoming and kind of sad. Whether or not Rene co-wrote several songs with her or none at all, your opinion on the subject is pointless because she’s just a trivial figure that you never even discuss, right? Even if I believed that you “picked up a magazine in a waiting room in 2002” , your opinion on the subject still wouldn’t matter. In 2002, Janet had already begun dating Jermaine Dupri, and I really don’t recall her giving any interviews around that time that concerned Rene Elizondo. So, to sum it all up, I will just continue to chalk you up as a person who has a really bitter grudge against Janet (or her fans, which would be hilarious) and has let his imagination run away with him.

[Edited 8/16/14 14:42pm]

Damn, you are so slippery it's a wonder your fingers don't slide off the keys as you type. You've more or less admitted that Janet has a track record of lying (we certainly agree on that, "wardrobe malfunction" anyone?), but you say the lying is only to protect her privacy. But Rene's secret songwriting contributions have nothing to do with personal privacy, so that's a misleading argument.

More sneaky is your claim that Janet only credited Rene with co-writing before their divorce. This is so obviously dishonest that I just did a 30-second Google search to discredit it. What I found was this 2007 interview with the Guardian.....

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2008/feb/10/popandrock.urbanmusic

In it she EXPLICITLY says that she felt like a fraud for co-writing with someone (Rene) and not giving them credit. That interview is in 2007. I found that in just 30 seconds, so your claim that she only admitted this before the divorce is little short of a lie. Janet has confirmed his secret contributions in many interviews since (and yes, that includes whatever magazine I read in that waiting room in 2002). Now that you have clear proof of your error I hope you will behave like a man, and simply admit that you've been proven wrong. There's no shame in being wrong. The shame is in being dishonest.

Interestingly, LA Reid in the same article describes working with Janet as "unusual" since "Janet is not the most..... outspoken person". The writer even comments on what a notable admission that is, given they were still working together at the time. When the writer meets her he says he can see what LA Reid means. What he describes is a very timid woman. You can easily understand why she had to rely on men so much in her career. And you guys actually call her a "strong black woman". What a joke. Statements like that show that it's not only racists who stereotype. Clearly Janet Jackson fans do it too.

[Edited 8/19/14 4:26am]

The only thing I have clear proof of is that I’ve been going back and forth with someone who clearly has a bone to pick and a point to prove, but I have yet to figure out what it is. You spending so much time trying to discredit an artist who you yourself have called “trivial” actually speaks more of you trying to persuade me of something than it does of the act of discrediting the artist herself, which goes beyond the realm of weird and is essentially just a waste of your energy. And what, pray tell, does the interview settle? Okay, so she says in the article that she worked on a few songs years ago with someone. A FEW. A few is not the 37 songs that Rene claimed to have co-written with her. The main composers of the bulk of Janet’s singles have been Jimmy Jam, Terry Lewis and Janet herself. If she’d said, “This person wrote close to 40 of my singles with me, but because Jimmy, Terry and I were the only ones taking credit, I felt like a fraud,” then I could see your point, but she said that it was a few songs that this person worked on. For all we know, those few songs could have been some album tracks from the “janet.” album. They could have been the two new singles from “Design of a Decade”. They could have been some of the interludes and a few album tracks from RN. You’re coming from a viewpoint that my stance has always been Rene never, ever put his input into any of her music, which has not been my stance (even though Jimmy Jam himself has gone on record and video stating that he doesn’t remember Rene picking up a pen and paper, but I digress…) I’ve said that his input in the songs came during TVR era, but I still find it suspect that if he’d written 37 songs with her that he wouldn’t initially want credit for at least some of them. And then, which is it? Did he not want to take credit, or was it industry people telling Janet not to give him credit? Who knows?

It’s comments of yours like, “And you guys call her a ’strong black woman’. What a joke…” that really make me think that it’s personal with you. What does that even mean, exactly? Is there some stake in what one considers to be a strong black woman? Is Janet’s personal version of inner strength lesser than another woman of color’s assessment of inner strength? What is your point? And your fixation on the men in her life is just plain odd, but we’ve already gone there, so I don’t care to tread that ground again. I’ve seen many an anti-Janet troll attack her looks, her dancing abilities, her singing, etc., but you seem to dig a little deeper. What’s sad is that you’re spending time actively discrediting an artist whom you’ve never even met (or maybe you have and she ticked you off, hence the reason behind your distaste of anything Janet Jackson ) just to prove one of her fans wrong. And guess what? No matter how many 30-second Google searches you embark upon, you never will. Because at the end of the day, it’s not about proving someone wrong, is it? It’s not about dishonesty or “slipperiness” or any of these things. It simply comes down to the fact that Janet Jackson was, is and will always be a pop culture and a pop music innovator. She’s had various collaborators over the years, but so what? Many other artists who are considered icons in their perspective genres and fields have as well. No man is an island (except maybe for Prince , and even he’s had collaborators). It does not detract from the impact that her music, her videos, her personal style and her concerts have had on the pop music industry. And no amount of “she ain’t shit” mantras from you or anyone else will diminish it. You can try (as you have in abundance in this thread), but it’s just not gonna happen. Again, if it’s just about trying to prove a point to me, then let me say it again so that hopefully you’ll let it sink in…you’re wasting your time.

SEANMAN said:

midnightmover said:

Damn, you are so slippery it's a wonder your fingers don't slide off the keys as you type. You've more or less admitted that Janet has a track record of lying (we certainly agree on that, "wardrobe malfunction" anyone?), but you say the lying is only to protect her privacy. But Rene's secret songwriting contributions have nothing to do with personal privacy, so that's a misleading argument.

More sneaky is your claim that Janet only credited Rene with co-writing before their divorce. This is so obviously dishonest that I just did a 30-second Google search to discredit it. What I found was this 2007 interview with the Guardian.....

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2008/feb/10/popandrock.urbanmusic

In it she EXPLICITLY says that she felt like a fraud for co-writing with someone (Rene) and not giving them credit. That interview is in 2007. I found that in just 30 seconds, so your claim that she only admitted this before the divorce is little short of a lie. Janet has confirmed his secret contributions in many interviews since (and yes, that includes whatever magazine I read in that waiting room in 2002). Now that you have clear proof of your error I hope you will behave like a man, and simply admit that you've been proven wrong. There's no shame in being wrong. The shame is in being dishonest.

Interestingly, LA Reid in the same article describes working with Janet as "unusual" since "Janet is not the most..... outspoken person". The writer even comments on what a notable admission that is, given they were still working together at the time. When the writer meets her he says he can see what LA Reid means. What he describes is a very timid woman. You can easily understand why she had to rely on men so much in her career. And you guys actually call her a "strong black woman". What a joke. Statements like that show that it's not only racists who stereotype. Clearly Janet Jackson fans do it too.

[Edited 8/19/14 4:26am]

The only thing I have clear proof of is that I’ve been going back and forth with someone who clearly has a bone to pick and a point to prove, but I have yet to figure out what it is. You spending so much time trying to discredit an artist who you yourself have called “trivial” actually speaks more of you trying to persuade me of something than it does of the act of discrediting the artist herself, which goes beyond the realm of weird and is essentially just a waste of your energy. And what, pray tell, does the interview settle? Okay, so she says in the article that she worked on a few songs years ago with someone. A FEW. A few is not the 37 songs that Rene claimed to have co-written with her. The main composers of the bulk of Janet’s singles have been Jimmy Jam, Terry Lewis and Janet herself. If she’d said, “This person wrote close to 40 of my singles with me, but because Jimmy, Terry and I were the only ones taking credit, I felt like a fraud,” then I could see your point, but she said that it was a few songs that this person worked on. For all we know, those few songs could have been some album tracks from the “janet.” album. They could have been the two new singles from “Design of a Decade”. They could have been some of the interludes and a few album tracks from RN. You’re coming from a viewpoint that my stance has always been Rene never, ever put his input into any of her music, which has not been my stance (even though Jimmy Jam himself has gone on record and video stating that he doesn’t remember Rene picking up a pen and paper, but I digress…) I’ve said that his input in the songs came during TVR era, but I still find it suspect that if he’d written 37 songs with her that he wouldn’t initially want credit for at least some of them. And then, which is it? Did he not want to take credit, or was it industry people telling Janet not to give him credit? Who knows?

It’s comments of yours like, “And you guys call her a ’strong black woman’. What a joke…” that really make me think that it’s personal with you. What does that even mean, exactly? Is there some stake in what one considers to be a strong black woman? Is Janet’s personal version of inner strength lesser than another woman of color’s assessment of inner strength? What is your point? And your fixation on the men in her life is just plain odd, but we’ve already gone there, so I don’t care to tread that ground again. I’ve seen many an anti-Janet troll attack her looks, her dancing abilities, her singing, etc., but you seem to dig a little deeper. What’s sad is that you’re spending time actively discrediting an artist whom you’ve never even met (or maybe you have and she ticked you off, hence the reason behind your distaste of anything Janet Jackson ) just to prove one of her fans wrong. And guess what? No matter how many 30-second Google searches you embark upon, you never will. Because at the end of the day, it’s not about proving someone wrong, is it? It’s not about dishonesty or “slipperiness” or any of these things. It simply comes down to the fact that Janet Jackson was, is and will always be a pop culture and a pop music innovator. She’s had various collaborators over the years, but so what? Many other artists who are considered icons in their perspective genres and fields have as well. No man is an island (except maybe for Prince , and even he’s had collaborators). It does not detract from the impact that her music, her videos, her personal style and her concerts have had on the pop music industry. And no amount of “she ain’t shit” mantras from you or anyone else will diminish it. You can try (as you have in abundance in this thread), but it’s just not gonna happen. Again, if it’s just about trying to prove a point to me, then let me say it again so that hopefully you’ll let it sink in…you’re wasting your time.

Questlove was doing some kind of Janet Jackson night on his Instagram last night, and he posted about her first studio album saying that it was one of the finer Boogie Era albums. He’s said that he feels it’s her time to get a RNRHOF nomination, and he was instrumental in helping to get Hall & Oates their nom this year. It’s a good thing this brother is now on the HOF committee

Interestingly enough, there's also a new Wiki page dedicated to all the artists Janet has inspired over the years. It covers just about errrbody

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...et_Jackson

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

SEANMAN said:

The only thing I have clear proof of is that I’ve been going back and forth with someone who clearly has a bone to pick and a point to prove, but I have yet to figure out what it is. You spending so much time trying to discredit an artist who you yourself have called “trivial” actually speaks more of you trying to persuade me of something than it does of the act of discrediting the artist herself, which goes beyond the realm of weird and is essentially just a waste of your energy. And what, pray tell, does the interview settle? Okay, so she says in the article that she worked on a few songs years ago with someone. A FEW. A few is not the 37 songs that Rene claimed to have co-written with her. The main composers of the bulk of Janet’s singles have been Jimmy Jam, Terry Lewis and Janet herself. If she’d said, “This person wrote close to 40 of my singles with me, but because Jimmy, Terry and I were the only ones taking credit, I felt like a fraud,” then I could see your point, but she said that it was a few songs that this person worked on. For all we know, those few songs could have been some album tracks from the “janet.” album. They could have been the two new singles from “Design of a Decade”. They could have been some of the interludes and a few album tracks from RN. You’re coming from a viewpoint that my stance has always been Rene never, ever put his input into any of her music, which has not been my stance (even though Jimmy Jam himself has gone on record and video stating that he doesn’t remember Rene picking up a pen and paper, but I digress…) I’ve said that his input in the songs came during TVR era, but I still find it suspect that if he’d written 37 songs with her that he wouldn’t initially want credit for at least some of them. And then, which is it? Did he not want to take credit, or was it industry people telling Janet not to give him credit? Who knows?

It’s comments of yours like, “And you guys call her a ’strong black woman’. What a joke…” that really make me think that it’s personal with you. What does that even mean, exactly? Is there some stake in what one considers to be a strong black woman? Is Janet’s personal version of inner strength lesser than another woman of color’s assessment of inner strength? What is your point? And your fixation on the men in her life is just plain odd, but we’ve already gone there, so I don’t care to tread that ground again. I’ve seen many an anti-Janet troll attack her looks, her dancing abilities, her singing, etc., but you seem to dig a little deeper. What’s sad is that you’re spending time actively discrediting an artist whom you’ve never even met (or maybe you have and she ticked you off, hence the reason behind your distaste of anything Janet Jackson ) just to prove one of her fans wrong. And guess what? No matter how many 30-second Google searches you embark upon, you never will. Because at the end of the day, it’s not about proving someone wrong, is it? It’s not about dishonesty or “slipperiness” or any of these things. It simply comes down to the fact that Janet Jackson was, is and will always be a pop culture and a pop music innovator. She’s had various collaborators over the years, but so what? Many other artists who are considered icons in their perspective genres and fields have as well. No man is an island (except maybe for Prince , and even he’s had collaborators). It does not detract from the impact that her music, her videos, her personal style and her concerts have had on the pop music industry. And no amount of “she ain’t shit” mantras from you or anyone else will diminish it. You can try (as you have in abundance in this thread), but it’s just not gonna happen. Again, if it’s just about trying to prove a point to me, then let me say it again so that hopefully you’ll let it sink in…you’re wasting your time.

Ok, but he's had great bands backing him up at times.

alphastreet said:

Beautifulstarr123 said:

Janet is pretty, can dance, and is a Jackson. It worked for her.

you gonna get rocked for that one 5-4-3-2-1

C'mon now, it's true. Latoya can't dance, and lack the charisma Janet has, but was very pretty, at the time. Some people were just meant to blow up and shine.

lol..there's a Janet stanpedia now..geeez losers.com

go2theMax said:

this thread is still going? lol

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BlackCat1985 said:

go2theMax said:

lol..there's a Janet stanpedia now..geeez losers.com

Lol! The only loser here is you. You have stayed all up and through this thread. If you don't like her stay the hell out of her thread. You'll never catch me all up in a Madonna thread like that because I simply don't like the woman are any of her work. It would be just a waste of time for me.

It's not her thread..it is called

'Looking back Janet Jackson wasn't that good was she??'

Maybe U should stay away

Beautifulstarr123 said:

alphastreet said:

you gonna get rocked for that one 5-4-3-2-1

C'mon now, it's true. Latoya can't dance, and lack the charisma Janet has, but was very pretty, at the time. Some people were just meant to blow up and shine.

Yeah, it's true. Janet IS pretty, a good dancer and, of course, a Jackson. Those things helped her get to where she got. Her talent and drive susatained it through the better of 2.5 decades. And she's not done...

BlackCat1985 said:

go2theMax said:

lol..there's a Janet stanpedia now..geeez losers.com

Lol! The only loser here is you. You have stayed all up and through this thread. If you don't like her stay the hell out of her thread. You'll never catch me all up in a Madonna thread like that because I simply don't like the woman are any of her work. It would be just a waste of time for me.

go2themax is beyond pathetic. Dot com.

go2theMax said: