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All true. Age Ain't Nothing But a Number? From Aaliyah's mouth to God's ear.
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Staying on topic, it seems that a lot of artists over age 29 are going through hard times. Robin Thicke is going through hard times. Mariah is going through hard times. Jennifer/J-Lo is going through hard times. Madonna is going through hard times. Hell, even Prince (even if he OR the Prince-fans choose to deny it!.....) is going through hard times. | |
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Yep. As the expression goes, more cushion for the pushin'!
Why bother making albums when they're better off taking the Fleetwood Mac approach by releasing EPs instead. It seems that 4-6 new songs is all an artist needs to have an excuse to tour these days. One could choose to cater to the needs of today's consumers and become either a singles-only artist or put out inexpensive physical and digital EPs. | |
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TonyVanDam said: Staying on topic, it seems that a lot of artists over age 29 are going through hard times. Robin Thicke is going through hard times. Mariah is going through hard times. Jennifer/J-Lo is going through hard times. Madonna is going through hard times. Hell, even Prince (even if he OR the Prince-fans choose to deny it!.....) is going through hard times. If you are on your own label all this talk is meaningless, but because of all of these are on labels magazines and blogs do these meaningless articles about a meaningless industry overall "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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Why not ask this big question. Why are fans and celebs so concerned with sales? especially a Hoeriah, Vadge, and J-Hoe. Even if there annoying as all fuck. There still legends in the industry (J-lo maybe not a legend but she's huge) Pistols sounded like "Fuck off," wheras The Clash sounded like "Fuck Off, but here's why.."- Thedigitialgardener
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Gunsnhalen said: Why not ask this big question. Why are fans and celebs so concerned with sales? especially a Hoeriah, Vadge, and J-Hoe. Even if there annoying as all fuck. There still legends in the industry (J-lo maybe not a legend but she's huge) Thats a great question but it seems that people who arent fans are more concerned. I hear artists i follow, buy, like talk all the time, people like Elton, and Springfield, Richard Marx, Norah Jones etc...and they ALL ALL SAY music doesnt sell we just do what we do and not be too concerned with that anymore. To be honest if you are a 40 year old artist with a career that has lasted 10-20 years already and U think about this shit, you arent an artist at all. And though i love to blame this on fans of certain artists, its also these dumb ass bloggers that write this shit, i always see various articles pop up around sales for artists like a JLO and Madonna and Mariah it seems, and its almost never a actual writer that i would give any credit too at this point, Most magazine and reporters now are just as bad as the public HYPE HYPE HYPE. But as far as fans lets be real, WHEN PRINCE drops that new shit later this year and it sells for a week or two and he walks away from it, we all are gonna be talking If only he did this or that that would help his numbers. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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Yep. As the expression goes, more cushion for the pushin'!
Why bother making albums when they're better off taking the Fleetwood Mac approach by releasing EPs instead. It seems that 4-6 new songs is all an artist needs to have an excuse to tour these days. One could choose to cater to the needs of today's consumers and become either a singles-only artist or put out inexpensive physical and digital EPs. If i like an artist and have followed an artist they are going to buy the album pretty much. When Elton John came out with his latest i didnt want a fucking 4 song EP, I heard one artist lately say 4-5 is enough for your public to handle? Really? If your fan base cant handle more than 4 songs time to get a new base of fans. I think a lot just cant come up with a good album. I dont want a bunch of EPS, unless somehow they fit together. The recent MYA Ep's were perfect, and I could understand why they were done as seperate works would have rathered physical releases but, that day is looking to be over too. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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Of course they are dead, how is this a debate? I'll never understand why fans think that if an artist was successful for some/many years then they HAVE to be until the end of time or as long as they are recording. People get bored of artists, they move on, they get tired if the artist keeps doing the same thing, they are turned off if artist makes too many changes, young generations grow up who have no idea of "heyday" and "legacy" and so on. Fans should be just glad their favs still churn out music, there are female acts like Jewel or Alanis Morissette who had had 1/10 of Mariah's success at most yet they keep on recording. Being upset about sales is essentially being mad that the artist does not make enough money which is simply ridiculous in your everyday life. | |
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That all sounds good in theory, but there are some artists out there who if their record doesn't sell won't make another one. So if I do care about sales, it's because of that. It's because I want to hear more music from them, not because I care about how much money they make. There are some bands who have broken up and get back together, and then they make a new album and if it doesn't do well on the charts, they won't ever make another album and will then go their separate ways. If I like the band's work but sometimes not the singer as a solo artist, that upsets me.
Some older artists do still get upset if their new record doesn't sell. A lot of it is because of ego. They can't accept they aren't big stars anyone and no one is not interested in their new stuff if they think it's good. Some artists have a big chip on their shoulder about singing their older hits and don't like doing that so they want their new album to have hits, so they can sing the new stuff live and people won't be bored hearing stuff they don't know. | |
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I wouldn't mind EP's if it means I can get music from my favorite older artists more often. I would rather get 4 or 5 songs every year then have to wait two or three years even longer for new music. Sometimes it does get annoying with older artists that you have to wait so long for a full length album. Even if you really love the artist, it does get boring waiting and waiting and you start to lose interest in them. | |
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I agree with the idea of some artists releasing 4-song EPs as opposed to a whole album.The fans get new music and the artist doesn't have to deal with having a flop album.It's also s win-win situation for the record label,too.It costs a lot of money to record an album. | |
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They are yesterday's news, just like my youth. Moving on... | |
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Very good point.For many artists,record sales do matter.A flop album can get them dropped from their record company.
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I don't see any reason to be surprised here. Mariah's decade was the 90s and J Lo's was the 2000s and she's not half the star that Mariah is so why is it such a shock that these 2's albums aren't going platinum in 2014? They had their time. | |
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Glindathegood said: That all sounds good in theory, but there are some artists out there who if their record doesn't sell won't make another one. So if I do care about sales, it's because of that. It's because I want to hear more music from them, not because I care about how much money they make. There are some bands who have broken up and get back together, and then they make a new album and if it doesn't do well on the charts, they won't ever make another album and will then go their separate ways. If I like the band's work but sometimes not the singer as a solo artist, that upsets me.
Some older artists do still get upset if their new record doesn't sell. A lot of it is because of ego. They can't accept they aren't big stars anyone and no one is not interested in their new stuff if they think it's good. Some artists have a big chip on their shoulder about singing their older hits and don't like doing that so they want their new album to have hits, so they can sing the new stuff live and people won't be bored hearing stuff they don't know. Well most of the older artists I like are indie I mean real indie not fake indie.so they sell to their base older artists lik say Elton John are not gonna get dropped cause he barely sold 100,000 copies, and he knows reality. Some of the other artists I love like say Rick Springfield, his last 2 albums were stellar critics raved they debuted top 40 for a week then disappeared that's reality and he knows so I don't think its artists that are living in the past it's a lot of fans who can't deal with the new Mariah or Madonna or prince getting played "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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Erm yeah, for new acts and one hit wonders but we were specifically talking about long running acts like Mariah. For her it doesn't matter if she cannot score a hit again, she can AFFORD to record music like those examples listed. If she does not record from now on, the only reason can be is that for her it was all about fame and success. But let's hope she's not like that. | |
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J-Lo should give it up and stick to acting. We'd be no worse off in music history if we'd never had J-Lo. Her voice is mediocre. Not as good as any American Idol finalist. As someone else mentioned, her booty being in the right place at the right time, is probably the enabler for her entire music career. LOL! Mariah should get someone completely off the wall, like Rick Rubin, to executive produce her next album. Let them make the final picks of songs and producers. She desperately needs outsider perspective to take her career forward. She's in a rut, musically, and has been for years IMO. At this rate she'll be 65 still trying to do records with the latest rapper/producer and that's not gonna be pretty. Fucking move on, already! Music, sweet music, I wish I could caress and...kiss, kiss... | |
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Wow that bad? Edit: Oops, nevermind. I didn't see the other posts with your stories. Thanks for sharing! [Edited 7/13/14 11:37am] Trolls be gone! | |
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If you don't mind sharing some of what you saw, that would be intriguing 
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I agree.For the most part,Mariah has been making the same album over and over,for a long time now.It would be cool to see her move in a new direction...take some risks.
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Pharrell is 40/41 and he's doing good. Then again, he still looks like he's 14. Trolls be gone! | |
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That is an excellent point. A lot of the magazines, blogs, papers, etc. own or are owned the same record labels that they write about. So, good publicity is always within reach. Trolls be gone! | |
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since we're talking about the age thing....have you noticed that the age thing doesn't really affect some of the male hip-hop artists? I think Jay-Z is in his mid-40s and he's still selling records....if Dr.Dre were to drop a new album right now,I'm sure it would be a big seller....and as you mentioned,Pharrell is having his greatest success right now (in his 40s). | |
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I agree! Many artists and bands should just STOP making albums,release a few singles on an EP instead,and focus on touring instead.That's where the real money is,anyway. | |
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Hey there Soul!
Well, yeah that's part of the issue as well. I think the only place women can keep making music of that age and still have the large following is (true) R&B, gospel, jazz and the traditional forms of those genres as well. Nancy Wilson is what, like 70, and she's still going strong
Jay-Z kills me with his "businessman" and then twice-retired rapper persona. He's using his screamer/singer wife to stay relevant. Otherwise, how would 12 year olds even know who he is? Yeah Dre can drop an album and I'm sure it would gain intrigue because he's the face of Beats, so that helps too.
I think Mariah and J-Lo haven't mastered any other art forms that would keep them relevant. Mariah is an average actress. J-Lo is pretty average but I think she did well in the Hector Lavoe biopic a few years ago, "El Cantante"
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There's definitely a push for youth, but in all honesty, hits are a fluke. It doesn't matter how good, bad or experimental.
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On the other thread about Iggy Azalea, I brought up kind of a similar issue of discrimination of some sort. I think there are intentional moves made by the industry to push certain artists over others. In this case, the Rick Ross looking dudes get an "ugly pass" (yes, beauty is in the eye of the beholder). However, when is the last time you saw a female rapper, or any female singer for that matter, look as hideous as Lil Wayne, Rick Ross and them other dudes? lol
Jay-Z is irrelevant and he knows it but he's hanging on to his dolt of a wife to milk her fame until it runs dry. I think the fact that these media outlets keep talking about the failure of these albums is a thinly-veiled attempt by the record company to still promote the album. Trolls be gone! | |
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By the way, Mariah has always been in a rut. She kept releasing the same kind of upbeat, carefree song for a decade in the 90s as a lead-off single:
Then padded it around with ballads, same formula until she flopped in 2001. Then she went full on with the rappers and hip hop/R&B sound that she gradually added to her songs in the second half of the 90s. That gave her a resurgence in the mid-00s, especially mainly that R&B "ballad" sound We Belong Together which then she ran to the ground until now. She and her label obviously thought getting a hit had a certain recipe that would work until the end of time, but music and people's taste just don't work like that. It was a matter of time that her success completely ran out, once again, I don't think this is the LEAST surprising and it was already a bonus that she sold a millions more of records in 2005-2008. | |
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