She's pretty much saying if you want me to reunite with THESE two, you're gonna have to make some consessions. Morrissey says he's asked every day if The Smiths will get back together. He said never. He reasons why people who hate each other would want to get back together for a reunion. Old age finally mellowed The Police enough to reunite, but Sting wasn't crazy enough to record again with them. Jody should just be honest and admit too much bad blood has been spilled and she just don't like them anymore.

CynicKill said:

Old age finally mellowed The Police enough to reunite, but Sting wasn't crazy enough to record again with them.

Sting was part of the problem when The Police were an active group, not really wanting to sing songs written by Andy and starting fist fights and yelling at the other 2 when things weren't going his way. Omegaman was supposed to be a single and Sting threw a fit and it was withdrawn. Andy mostly sang because Sting would refuse to sing his songs or he would reluctantly participate on them. Sting even buried the master tape for Under My Camel. Someone dug it up. The song later won a Grammy.

MickyDolenz said:

CynicKill said:

Old age finally mellowed The Police enough to reunite, but Sting wasn't crazy enough to record again with them.

Sting was part of the problem when The Police were an active group, not really wanting to sing songs written by Andy and starting fist fights and yelling at the other 2 when things weren't going his way. Omegaman was supposed to be a single and Sting threw a fit and it was withdrawn. Andy mostly sang because Sting would refuse to sing his songs or he would reluctantly participate on them. Sting even buried the master tape for Under My Camel. Someone dug it up. The song later won a Grammy.

I stand corrected. There was a popular assumption that Sting becoming the primary songwriter brought about tension in the band.

CynicKill said:

I stand corrected. There was a popular assumption that Sting becoming the primary songwriter brought about tension in the band.

The Police were supposed to do another album around 1985, but the members started to fight again and spent a long time recording one song, which was Don't Stand So Close To Me 86. So the album was scrapped. Sting did play/sing on a couple of Andy's solo albums in 1990 & 1999.

Qazz said:

I seriously doubt that Jody owns the rights to the name of the group. It was the long held property of Dick Griffey and SOLAR. Whoever owns the company now probably owns the name of the group. If Jody indeed owned the rights, then my guess is that she'd be more interested in reuniting than she appears to be, because that'd be more money going to her. Or hell, she wouldn't even need to be involved -- she could just license the name to Howard and whoever, let them tour as some new version while she collected a fee. Again, I would bet against her holding any legal claim to any name aside from her own. I can believe shed put out a cease and desist on them reuniting Shalamar with anything that promoted her name and likeness attached, but her owning the name of the actual group, I don't think so. Still on Jody's side. Obviously Shalamar was a more negative than positive experience for her. Would you return to a previous job that you didn't like, especially when it meant having to work with co workers you didn't get along with and have mostly negative memories of? I wouldn't. Jody moved on and doesn't want to be defined by a group that she basically had to escape from to keep her sanity. It seems like Jeffrey moved on too, but would do it if the other two agreed.. It seems like its mostly Howard that every 10-15 years or so gets an itch to light a match under a "reunion" that only he's interested in. [Edited 8/19/14 11:20am]

So are you saying that Jody is lying about that? Because she does say it.

As far as people not wanting to return to a job with colleagues they didn't like, I totally agree. I damn sure wouldn't do it. But my thing is this: why the hell does she keep entertaining the idea when she is still hating so much. Is it to show some control over them. Afterall, she did write the whole treatment for their proposed performance.

If you still don't like them, and it's clear she doesn't, then why even put yourself in the position of even being a possibility. Nobody is gonna die if Shalamar don't reunite. I'm not calling my doctors for health checks if I never see them onstage ever again in my lifetime. It just ain't that damn serious. So Jody, if therapy is not an option, then close the door, lock it, throw away the key and write your god damned memoires, which you keep threatening to write. That also feels like a threat when she talks about it. Like she really gonna spills something. People know way more than you think they do girl. it was the 80's. People got stoned. People talked alot.

Jeffery I think is in a hut in Africa somewhere (god forgive me) and Howard is working hard to try to snatch back his hairline. So they all pretty occupied.

I know one thing, and I'm not even a fan of BET, but I would never pick up the phone to her ever again. People already got their lives. A Shalamar reunion will not give me life. Just a cool breeze.

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Here's current Shalamar member Carolyn singing and doing an interview at her church.

TD3 said:

Jody ain't doing no show(s) with Howie & Jeff. It's not happening, stick a fork in it, cut, chew, and swallow. The End.

yeah,I guess I now feel the same way.I'm a huge Shalamar fan,but let's face it...some reunions are just not meant to be.Life goes on.

Wasn't Jody planning to release a new album? She recently released the first single....a fun,disco-sounding track that reunites her with the original male lead singer of Shalamar (before Howard).

anyone have any word on her new album?

Meh Jody is just starving for attention. She has pissed and moaned on Youtube about Shalamar for the last several years. If she wants to get back in the spotlight just beg Faith Evans for a spot on R&B Divas of LA and

pleeeze shut the fuck up already.

just for fun....

a 1976 clip of the "Soul Train" line....Jody and Jeffrey are the *first* couple to come down the line

Oh wow that clip is so funny. Thanks for posting that.

I totally agree. I think it's baked and done.

Now let's see if Jody keeps going on and on about it.

I'm a fan of Shalamar too, like so many others, but as much as I like Miki with his sassy ass, Shalamar ended when Jeffrey moved to England and Jody told Howard to go fuck himself.

No where to go but down after that.

I think this cake is baked. But I want to thank Jody for that little piece of entertainment. That had me amused for awhile. And all these comments do make my day.

phunkdaddy said:

Meh Jody is just starving for attention. She has pissed and moaned on Youtube about Shalamar for the last several years. If she wants to get back in the spotlight just beg Faith Evans for a spot on R&B Divas of LA and

pleeeze shut the fuck up already.

Good idea. But you know what, in an earlier post I was joking and said she needs her own reality show. She does seem a bit loopy. But not Latoya Jackson loopy. LaToya don't seem mad all the time.

I changed my mind. I think Jody would be boring as hell. Ain't nothing happening with her except some kind of dance track she put out. It was cute. But she seems too private. However, she is messy ass hell. So maybe R&B Divas is the right place for her.

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EVERYONE has Ego, let's just put that to the point.

Ego isn't always bad. She's not some background singer, she is just as much Shalamar as Howard or Jeffrey. And I agree if your are going to do a show then do it right, blow it up.

OldFriends4Sale said:

EVERYONE has Ego, let's just put that to the point.

Ego isn't always bad. She's not some background singer, she is just as much Shalamar as Howard or Jeffrey. And I agree if your are going to do a show then do it right, blow it up.

I don't think it's about ego. And I can recognise a healthy ego, I think most people can. That's not what her post portrayed to me. Something else is going on there. We'll probably never know.

Also this wasn't a 'show'. It was the BET Awards where it's not all about you. It's actually about those who are there to receive an Award.

Somewhere that seems to have gotten lost with her.

So what if Watley has an ego.Is the same said of men? Please.

Be very careful how to treat folks, you know where you have been but you don't know where you are goin'.

Yeah Watley's fuckin' with Howie & Jeff but o' well... the great payback.

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SoulAlive said:

just for fun....

a 1976 clip of the "Soul Train" line....Jody and Jeffrey are the *first* couple to come down the line

I have some filters on my computer and I am just seeing this video. Needless to say you didnt' post the one with Jody and Jeff fighting on the line.... pushing, kicking and shoving. A dancer had to grab Jody by the waist and carrying her off.

TD3 said:

I have some filters on my computer and I am just seeing this video. Needless to say you didnt' post the one with Jody and Jeff fighting on the line.... pushing, kicking and shoving. A dancer had to grab Jody by the waist and carrying her off.

Jody claims the "fight" was staged.

hopefularranger said:

TD3 said:

I have some filters on my computer and I am just seeing this video. Needless to say you didnt' post the one with Jody and Jeff fighting on the line.... pushing, kicking and shoving. A dancer had to grab Jody by the waist and carrying her off.

Jody claims the "fight" was staged.

I know that is what she claimed.

From the tape is seems she was the aggressor...

Why do I think if ithe tape had shown Jeff pushing her.... her story would have been so different.

That fight was staged. I think you can even see Jody laughing as she's being pulled off.

blue22 said:

CynicKill said:

It's kinda sad that the group fell apart at a time when they were finally having crossover success."Dead Giveaway" exposed them to pop audiences and the video was shown on MTV.This could have been the beginning of a whole new level of success for them

TD3 said:

So what if Watley has an ego.Is the same said of men? Please.

Be very careful how to treat folks, you know where you have been but you don't know where you are goin'.

Yeah Watley's fuckin' with Howie & Jeff but o' well... the great payback.

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I don't think anyone is 'innocent' in any of this. But I have to disagree with you about the whole 'ego' issue. It is true that we all have this concept called the ego, but there is a difference between a healthy ego and an inflated or overexaggerated ego. I don't know why it upsets people that she is being called out for it. It won't be the first time.

If someone is good at what they do, EVERYBODY will tell them. They will have all the support imagined. But if you are good, you don't have to tell the public. You don't have to run off your own invented list of what you think you brought to the music industry in your 15 minutes of fame. And just adding a ridiculous social media example, if you are as 'important' as you say you are, you will have 15 million followers on IG, without following 1. Now that's making a mark on music or the industry itself.

I don't ever recall Robin Williams writing about himself 'I'm an innovator in comedy, others look up to me, they copied me, you see my influence in them, those suspenders made me a style icon, I won an Oscar'. NO!! People told him that; they wrote that about him. I'm using him as an example of a person who truly made a mark on this world, without question, and he actually said a joke or 2 about BET, so he was in the mix. He had his finger on the pulse of pop culture.

Maybe its a mid-life crisis for her.

blue22 said:

TD3 said:

So what if Watley has an ego.Is the same said of men? Please.

Be very careful how to treat folks, you know where you have been but you don't know where you are goin'.

Yeah Watley's fuckin' with Howie & Jeff but o' well... the great payback.

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[Edited 8/20/14 12:54pm]

I don't think anyone is 'innocent' in any of this. But I have to disagree with you about the whole 'ego' issue. It is true that we all have this concept called the ego, but there is a difference between a healthy ego and an inflated or overexaggerated ego. I don't know why it upsets people that she is being called out for it. It won't be the first time.

If someone is good at what they do, EVERYBODY will tell them. They will have all the support imagined. But if you are good, you don't have to tell the public. You don't have to run off your own invented list of what you think you brought to the music industry in your 15 minutes of fame. And just adding a ridiculous social media example, if you are as 'important' as you say you are, you will have 15 million followers on IG, without following 1. Now that's making a mark on music or the industry itself.

I don't ever recall Robin Williams writing about himself 'I'm an innovator in comedy, others look up to me, they copied me, you see my influence in them, those suspenders made me a style icon, I won an Oscar'. NO!! People told him that; they wrote that about him. I'm using him as an example of a person who truly made a mark on this world, without question, and he actually said a joke or 2 about BET, so he was in the mix. He had his finger on the pulse of pop culture.

Maybe its a mid-life crisis for her.

Honestly, it isn't that deep. This shit between band members have been going on for -ever Howard, Jeff and fans have wanted to do a reunion...of anytype for some time. Watley isn't having it. Oh yeah all of them have acted a fool for sure but its my understand Watly caught it - label, Howie & Jeff- from all sides. Walty was dogged. During the Unsung doc, Howard groveled through out the program in hopes Jody would come around. It was funny to learn when she decided to jump ship then Solar promised the girl everything but the moon in hopes she stay with them and the group. To little to late.

So, every couple of years Jody goes through these diatribes about the group. I find more funny than anything else. Besides, woman don't forget shit.

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Qazz said:

Do you think Bobby Brown would rejoin New Edition if he couldn't command a bigger piece of the spotlight, get up on stage and sing "My Prerogative" and "Every Little Step" at some point during the show and have his solo accomplishments be acknowledged as part of the program? Is Ice Cube going to rejoin NWA without the architecture of said reunion recognizing his star and treating him accordingly? The answer is no. It's the reason Mary Wilson won't rejoin the Supremes with Diana. You used me then, so I'm using you now.

That's not the same thing. It's not a concert, album, or tour. It's for an awards show on BET. Not a permanent reunion. Until Jody announced it, did anyone even know Shalamar was asked to do the show? BET wanted Shalamar, not them as solo acts. She can't make demands for the content of a network program someone else is running. They can easily go with someone else, and they did with Color Me Badd & Troop. CMB only had 2 original members.

I remember a late-80s interview where Jody was talking about her Best New Artist award that she had just won at the Grammys."Howard didn't even bother to call me and congratulate me,"she said.

phunkdaddy said:

Okay she is friends with Gerald Brown now and she going to bat for him during her infamous Unsung rant and taking selfies with him Rewind to 1987 when she was on Video Soul and actually laughed at him for his departure from the group because he felt like he was the star and being replaced by a better singer in Howard Hewitt. She also dismissed his departure as oh well he was older than us anyway. I guess it would have been okay for him to get a brief 30 second segment on Unsung for his brief 30 second stint with the group on Take That To The Bank. Didn't Jody fall out with her good friend Jermaine Stewart too at one time? For the record I know Howie and Jeff weren't saints either but Ms. Watley needs to chill with the holier than thou shit. Nobody is gonna shit a brick if the classic 3 don't reunite. I have actually been listening to the Micki Free lineup lately.

YES!!!! I couldn't have said it better!

MickyDolenz said:

Qazz said:

Do you think Bobby Brown would rejoin New Edition if he couldn't command a bigger piece of the spotlight, get up on stage and sing "My Prerogative" and "Every Little Step" at some point during the show and have his solo accomplishments be acknowledged as part of the program? Is Ice Cube going to rejoin NWA without the architecture of said reunion recognizing his star and treating him accordingly? The answer is no. It's the reason Mary Wilson won't rejoin the Supremes with Diana. You used me then, so I'm using you now.

That's not the same thing. It's not a concert, album, or tour. It's for an awards show on BET. Not a permanent reunion. Until Jody announced it, did anyone even know Shalamar was asked to do the show? BET wanted Shalamar, not them as solo acts. She can't make demands for the content of a network program someone else is running. They can easily go with someone else, and they did with Color Me Badd & Troop. CMB only had 2 original members.

Exactly!! YES! One fricking performance!!