I hope Prince gives us deluxe versions where the album fits on Disc One and FINISHES.

Then Disc Two has the bonus schitt (outtakes).

It's so weird when you're listening to an epic album with the closing track. Then some corny period-sounding remix starts playing.

It wakes you up like "oh yeah I got on this deluxe edition" or whatever.

I don't find a lot of value in tacking on a couple tracks to the end of a CD anyway... the bonus material should fill another disc.

Cinny said:

I hope Prince gives us deluxe versions where the album fits on Disc One and FINISHES.

Then Disc Two has the bonus schitt (outtakes).

It's so weird when you're listening to an epic album with the closing track. Then some corny period-sounding remix starts playing.

It wakes you up like "oh yeah I got on this deluxe edition" or whatever.

I don't find a lot of value in tacking on a couple tracks to the end of a CD anyway... the bonus material should fill another disc.

I agree 100%. I even go so far as to take bonus tracks off contemporary albums and make them separate discs in iTunes because the original more concise albums sound better. Like Lana Del Rey for example--I took the bonus tracks from Born To Die, Paradise and Ultraviolence and reorganized them as a new playlist along with her two non-album singles and it's like she released a fourth album just for me.

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For sure - it detracts from the main album.

sexton said:

Cinny said:

I hope Prince gives us deluxe versions where the album fits on Disc One and FINISHES.

Then Disc Two has the bonus schitt (outtakes).

It's so weird when you're listening to an epic album with the closing track. Then some corny period-sounding remix starts playing.

It wakes you up like "oh yeah I got on this deluxe edition" or whatever.

I don't find a lot of value in tacking on a couple tracks to the end of a CD anyway... the bonus material should fill another disc.

I agree 100%. I even go so far as to take bonus tracks off contemporary albums and make them separate discs in iTunes because the original more concise albums sound better. Like Lana Del Rey for example--I took the bonus tracks from Born To Die, Paradise and Ultraviolence and reorganized them as a new playlist along with her two non-album singles and it's like she released a fourth album just for me.

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That is a great idea! Bonus tracks should be seen as non-album or the new b-sides.

bigd74 said:

They kind of are the new B Sides. Since singles aren't really singles anymore, just a 1 track album promo download.

Yep, you're more likely to find a remix on the deluxe edition than a "single" these days.

Yeah, they bug me too, especially when its an album I'm intimately familiar with. Luckily with digital media we can do what we like! What I normally do is if its an album I know really well I'll change the album title of the bonus tracks to "Album Name"- Bonus Tracks. If its not an album I know really well I just add asteriks to the end of the track names so I'll know they're not part of the album proper, especially when its only a few bonus tracks. If its one of those fancy Deluxe Editions with lots of bonus tracks, live tracks, etc. I sometimes completely rename them to say the concert date and venue, etc.

KlyphIsBackAgain said:

Yeah, they bug me too, especially when its an album I'm intimately familiar with. Luckily with digital media we can do what we like! What I normally do is if its an album I know really well I'll change the album title of the bonus tracks to "Album Name"- Bonus Tracks. If its not an album I know really well I just add asteriks to the end of the track names so I'll know they're not part of the album proper, especially when its only a few bonus tracks. If its one of those fancy Deluxe Editions with lots of bonus tracks, live tracks, etc. I sometimes completely rename them to say the concert date and venue, etc.

Man this is a great idea.

I bought Mariah's new album, and I always just want to listen to the core album, but the CD keeps playing! I'm not even "intimately familiar" with the album but I can feel when it is over and when the bonus stuff starts.

It's hard to believe with vintage prince, but even with a huge album like PR, clearly the final result was not prince ulitmate vision. Much like CB there was likely pressure to cut this down to a single record for maximum impact. And the removal of 1999 sounding dance tracks perhaps was more strategic than artistic. There are plenty of artists whose bonus tracks are really not worth checking out, nor are half the songs on the original album. Prince PR era is not one of those artists.

I have every confidence that including all the b sides plus perhaps a few extra tunes, and discarding the original tracklist, would only improve and deepen the PR listening experience. Don't need any moder Timbaland rebutchering tacked on, but replacing LGC with the 12 inch or Computer blue extended would only improve the record.

Yes bonus tracks can be bad or at least sound out of context, such as rehearsals or demos thrown in. But if the record was shortened simply for time or record co pressure, then bonus tracks are very welcome.

Being all digital I don't have this problem: I isolate the bonus tracks in a "non-album tracks" folder where all my non-album tracks can live in peace together. I'm now glad that I can now enjoy my old CD's that had bonus tracks as intended and not with one or several bonus tracks jumping at me at the end of the last track so yeah, for the physical release I hope they won't put anything but the original album on the first CD. Sometimes though it's a bit frustrating cuz in a few cases when there was a single bonus track, contemporary to the album's release, I had taken the habit to enjoy it at the end of the album, but in most cases it's a relief.

I can't imagine the Cure's Disintigration in it's shortened LP and CD form. The cassette with the extra songs is tha bomb and unfukwitable. I imagine PR with b sides inserted appropriately instead of at the end would be bananafantastic.

TrevorAyer said:

I can't imagine the Cure's Disintigration in it's shortened LP and CD form. The cassette with the extra songs is tha bomb and unfukwitable. I imagine PR with b sides inserted appropriately instead of at the end would be bananafantastic.

Last Dance and Homesick were on the CD, only the LP didn't have them. In 1989 CD became the dominant format (saleswise, though rechnically cassettes sold more than vinyls in the 80's but because of sound quality were always considered a sub format) so I personally consider any LP tracklist up until 1988 to be the real Mc Coy and any CD tracklist after 1989 to be the real Mc Coy. Since I think 2011 or 2012, digital is the dominant format.

TrevorAyer said:

I can't imagine the Cure's Disintigration in it's shortened LP and CD form. The cassette with the extra songs is tha bomb and unfukwitable. I imagine PR with b sides inserted appropriately instead of at the end would be bananafantastic.

I can imagine an original sequence as you heard it on a cassette years ago would still feel like the regular album. Now imagine some wack remixes AFTER the those extra songs on the tape.

databank said:

Being all digital I don't have this problem: I isolate the bonus tracks in a "non-album tracks" folder where all my non-album tracks can live in peace together. I'm now glad that I can now enjoy my old CD's that had bonus tracks as intended and not with one or several bonus tracks jumping at me at the end of the last track so yeah, for the physical release I hope they won't put anything but the original album on the first CD. Sometimes though it's a bit frustrating cuz in a few cases when there was a single bonus track, contemporary to the album's release, I had taken the habit to enjoy it at the end of the album, but in most cases it's a relief.

So, I'm not alone if other people are tweaking the sequences digitally.

databank said:

Being all digital I don't have this problem: I isolate the bonus tracks in a "non-album tracks" folder where all my non-album tracks can live in peace together. I'm now glad that I can now enjoy my old CD's that had bonus tracks as intended and not with one or several bonus tracks jumping at me at the end of the last track so yeah, for the physical release I hope they won't put anything but the original album on the first CD. Sometimes though it's a bit frustrating cuz in a few cases when there was a single bonus track, contemporary to the album's release, I had taken the habit to enjoy it at the end of the album, but in most cases it's a relief.

Okay, you've confused me...

IF you're going to arrange things to your preference digitally anyway, then why does it matter to you if CD1 has bonus tracks tacked on instead of being just the album proper with all bonus on other discs?

Not arguing with you, just don't get it.

TrevorAyer said:

It's hard to believe with vintage prince, but even with a huge album like PR, clearly the final result was not prince ulitmate vision. Much like CB there was likely pressure to cut this down to a single record for maximum impact. And the removal of 1999 sounding dance tracks perhaps was more strategic than artistic. There are plenty of artists whose bonus tracks are really not worth checking out, nor are half the songs on the original album. Prince PR era is not one of those artists.

I have every confidence that including all the b sides plus perhaps a few extra tunes, and discarding the original tracklist, would only improve and deepen the PR listening experience. Don't need any moder Timbaland rebutchering tacked on, but replacing LGC with the 12 inch or Computer blue extended would only improve the record.

Yes bonus tracks can be bad or at least sound out of context, such as rehearsals or demos thrown in. But if the record was shortened simply for time or record co pressure, then bonus tracks are very welcome.

Sometimes editing a song down can make it better. Computer Blue, The Beautiful Ones, Purple Rain, Let's Go Crazy, Darling Nikki (and Take Me With U, I believe are all prime examples.

If I get a 2CD reissue, and the first CD is only the original 45 min-ish LP, I'm disappointed they didn't cram both discs full of extras. I know where the album original stops and I can hit the pause button or separate them in a media player when ripped if I like, I'd rather have value for money and more music than satisfy my OCD.

NouveauDance said:

If I get a 2CD reissue, and the first CD is only the original 45 min-ish LP, I'm disappointed they didn't cram both discs full of extras. I know where the album original stops and I can hit the pause button or separate them in a media player when ripped if I like, I'd rather have value for money and more music than satisfy my OCD.

Hear, hear

djThunderfunk said:

databank said:

Being all digital I don't have this problem: I isolate the bonus tracks in a "non-album tracks" folder where all my non-album tracks can live in peace together. I'm now glad that I can now enjoy my old CD's that had bonus tracks as intended and not with one or several bonus tracks jumping at me at the end of the last track so yeah, for the physical release I hope they won't put anything but the original album on the first CD. Sometimes though it's a bit frustrating cuz in a few cases when there was a single bonus track, contemporary to the album's release, I had taken the habit to enjoy it at the end of the album, but in most cases it's a relief.

Okay, you've confused me...

IF you're going to arrange things to your preference digitally anyway, then why does it matter to you if CD1 has bonus tracks tacked on instead of being just the album proper with all bonus on other discs?

Not arguing with you, just don't get it.

Well I'm just thinking of those folks who haven't gone digital and how I'd feel if I was in their shoes, + respect of the original material as a matter of principle.

databank said:

TrevorAyer said:

I can't imagine the Cure's Disintigration in it's shortened LP and CD form. The cassette with the extra songs is tha bomb and unfukwitable. I imagine PR with b sides inserted appropriately instead of at the end would be bananafantastic.

Last Dance and Homesick were on the CD, only the LP didn't have them. In 1989 CD became the dominant format (saleswise, though rechnically cassettes sold more than vinyls in the 80's but because of sound quality were always considered a sub format) so I personally consider any LP tracklist up until 1988 to be the real Mc Coy and any CD tracklist after 1989 to be the real Mc Coy. Since I think 2011 or 2012, digital is the dominant format.

I'm like that with some albums too. It just depends on what you were first exposed to/used to. Bowie's Young American album is like that for me. I didn't get into it until after the reissue CD with the bonus tracks, so hearing it without John, Im Only Dancing (Again) just sounds weird.

NouveauDance said:

If I get a 2CD reissue, and the first CD is only the original 45 min-ish LP, I'm disappointed they didn't cram both discs full of extras. I know where the album original stops and I can hit the pause button or separate them in a media player when ripped if I like, I'd rather have value for money and more music than satisfy my OCD.

NouveauDance said:

If I get a 2CD reissue, and the first CD is only the original 45 min-ish LP, I'm disappointed they didn't cram both discs full of extras. I know where the album original stops and I can hit the pause button or separate them in a media player when ripped if I like, I'd rather have value for money and more music than satisfy my OCD.

You want disc 2 to be full of extras, as well as bonus tracks after the album on disc 1?

you know what bugs me? Fucking posts that have nothing to

do with Prince posting in the Prince forums. Where are the mods -

this thread should be blocked or moved to the correct forum.

jesus fucking christ!!!! Think people!!!!

thedoorkeeper said:

you know what bugs me? Fucking posts that have nothing to

do with Prince posting in the Prince forums. Where are the mods -

this thread should be blocked or moved to the correct forum.

jesus fucking christ!!!! Think people!!!!

Since it has been reported that remastered reissues of Prince's catalog are coming and it is expected that there will be bonus tracks, this thread DOES have something to do with Prince, no?

Yes, it's a general thread that could apply to any release by anybody, but, on a Prince fansite at a time where Prince reissues are coming, it's clear that we're all sharing and discussing our preferences because of those forthcoming releases.

Not to mention, the OP says right in the first sentence how his opinions on the topic directly relate to his wishes for the Prince reissues.

It appears you are agitated and angered by this. I suggest you take your medication.

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thedoorkeeper said:

you know what bugs me? Fucking posts that have nothing to

do with Prince posting in the Prince forums. Where are the mods -

this thread should be blocked or moved to the correct forum.

jesus fucking christ!!!! Think people!!!!

Haha, sorry, it was inspired by the possible configuration of a Prince remaster. I've been trying to branch out of Music:Non-Prince or General Discussion, but you're right.. this doesn't fit here!

You've upset a few people with the thread Cinny.

Cinny said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

I know its confusing for some. Go to this website called Wikipedia, bookmark it and you can research where the original album ended. If you purchase the CD likely it will say, they are bonus tracks. So sorry to hear so many people can't remember the old album tracklistings.

Oh, we remember the old tracklistings VIVIDLY. That's exactly what is bugging most of us during the "deluxe" listening experience!

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