SeventeenDayze said:

I forgot to add DRAKE to my list. His music and looks are overrated!

Oh, here's another reason that he gets on my nerves...his fans!

MotownSubdivision said:

Schubert said:

I don't feel that way. Those are facts.

Can you deny he did playback most of the times? Can you deny he played ZERO instruments?

Did I say that he did play an instrument? And I don't know what you mean by "playback"? And no, just because you don't like MJ doesn't mean every negative opinion you have about him (or his family) is fact. And if you actually do believe that your word is law then I'm sorry for that as well.

Shut up.

Jackson is the most overrated act in history. Not only that, but he was a freak of nature, an aberration, a mistake. He was a pedophile, a compulsive liar and a cheater.

We're talking about someone who paid a human being to hold an umbrella over him while walking a meter behind. Someone who never paid anyone on his payroll. That's the kind of person MJ was.

Schubert said:

MotownSubdivision said:

Schubert said: Did I say that he did play an instrument? And I don't know what you mean by "playback"? And no, just because you don't like MJ doesn't mean every negative opinion you have about him (or his family) is fact. And if you actually do believe that your word is law then I'm sorry for that as well.

Shut up.

Jackson is the most overrated act in history. Not only that, but he was a freak of nature, an aberration, a mistake. He was a pedophile, a compulsive liar and a cheater.

We're talking about someone who paid a human being to hold an umbrella over him while walking a meter behind. Someone who never paid anyone on his payroll. That's the kind of person MJ was.

You've made your point. If you want to keep your rant up, please go to the MJ sticky as this thread is not just about MJ. Thanks.

Schubert said:

Yeah, I'm sure you were there.

Quit being such a prick and hate MJ your own. Nobody's forcing you to like him so quit trying to force your ignorant opinions on those who enjoy his music like the stupid spoiled brat you're being.

MotownSubdivision said:

Schubert said:

Shut up.

Jackson is the most overrated act in history. Not only that, but he was a freak of nature, an aberration, a mistake. He was a pedophile, a compulsive liar and a cheater.

We're talking about someone who paid a human being to hold an umbrella over him while walking a meter behind. Someone who never paid anyone on his payroll. That's the kind of person MJ was.

Yeah, I'm sure you were there. Quit being such a prick and hate MJ your own. Nobody's forcing you to like him so quit trying to force your ignorant opinions on those who enjoy his music like the stupid spoiled brat you're being.

No, I wasn't there. But answer that question, if you, in your MJ fandom, have the balls to do it. Why did MJ pay off a kid not to go to trial if he was innocent? Simple.

Schubert said:

MotownSubdivision said:

Schubert said: The title of most overrated act of all time belongs to The Beatles. Sorry you feel that way about MJ though.

I don't feel that way. Those are facts.

Can you deny he did playback most of the times? Can you deny he played ZERO instruments?

This sounds NOTHING like the recorded version of Human Nature....this is playback?

SeventeenDayze said:

Schubert said:

I don't feel that way. Those are facts.

Can you deny he did playback most of the times? Can you deny he played ZERO instruments?

This sounds NOTHING like the recorded version of Human Nature....this is playback?

Jackson did not do playback in the Thriller and Bad tours. But, apart from that, and some performances in the Dangerous tour, it was playback all the way. Even as a child.

Schubert said:

I don't have to answer anything, especially with someone like you who's dead set on hating somebody for something that still hasn't been proven 2 decades after the fact. Even so, the man still made great music that I enjoy and always will. It probably burns you up inside why so many people love MJ for the extremely talented man he was. Talent is objective and if you can't at least acknowledge that he was that very thing then oh well. Don't have to like him but don't try and spread your hate around as though your word is gospel.

SeventeenDayze said:

HuMpThAnG said:

ahhhhhhh...

Yep, Michael (at that time) wasn't known to be involved in drugs, gangs, etc. and came from a family with both parents. He was already a target. He had his own issues about his appearance but he certainly wasn't the first celeb to change their appearance. These days, MOST celebs go under the knife and it's more widely accepted compared to that time.

The only thing he did wrong, in the minds of some, is that he owned the most valuable catalog (including his own!) of all time. Oh, and a country in Africa crowned him as a King to their nation. MJ was power in the music world and out of it. That's a rare combination and it made him a target.

The thing that gets me, McCartney advised MJ to get into buying publishing, because HE own some publishings of other artists as well....I'm sure those artists weren't please when he didn't give them back....

MotownSubdivision said:

Schubert said:

No, I wasn't there. But answer that question, if you, in your MJ fandom, have the balls to do it. Why did MJ pay off a kid not to go to trial if he was innocent? Simple.

I don't have to answer anything, especially with someone like you who's dead set on hating somebody for something that still hasn't been proven 2 decades after the fact. Even so, the man still made great music that I enjoy and always will. It probably burns you up inside why so many people love MJ for the extremely talented man he was. Talent is objective and if you can't at least acknowledge that he was that very thing then oh well. Don't have to like him but don't try and spread your hate around as though your word is gospel.

I get ticked off when anyone tries to compare some new artist to Michael. I just happen to see that someone posted a video of Timberlake trying to sing Human Nature. I didn't click on it because I knew I would have a meltdown. Some bozo NFL player tried to say Beyonce is this generation's Michael Jackon. I mean, I have no words for how my blood boils when people try to compare someone on MJ's level to a bunch of hacks. He'll never be repeated, just like Prince won't either!

Here's a reaction of people to MJ in a Japan airport. This doesn't happen to any other "singer" of our time does it?:

HuMpThAnG said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Yep, Michael (at that time) wasn't known to be involved in drugs, gangs, etc. and came from a family with both parents. He was already a target. He had his own issues about his appearance but he certainly wasn't the first celeb to change their appearance. These days, MOST celebs go under the knife and it's more widely accepted compared to that time.

The only thing he did wrong, in the minds of some, is that he owned the most valuable catalog (including his own!) of all time. Oh, and a country in Africa crowned him as a King to their nation. MJ was power in the music world and out of it. That's a rare combination and it made him a target.

The thing that gets me, McCartney advised MJ to get into buying publishing, because HE own some publishings of other artists as well....I'm sure those artists weren't please when he didn't give them back....

That's the unfortunate dynamic in Western culture, ain't it? Ownership of resources can only be owned by a select few! Michael wasn't supposed to have been smart AND talented, remember? I think the person who said the Motown singers (of the 60s) weren't smart enough to own their own music conveniently didn't talk about how the record labels that were NOT owned by blacks went out of their way to rip them off every step of the way. A few lucky ones made it out okay but most didn't!

SeventeenDayze said:

HuMpThAnG said:

The thing that gets me, McCartney advised MJ to get into buying publishing, because HE own some publishings of other artists as well....I'm sure those artists weren't please when he didn't give them back....

That's the unfortunate dynamic in Western culture, ain't it? Ownership of resources can only be owned by a select few! Michael wasn't supposed to have been smart AND talented, remember? I think the person who said the Motown singers (of the 60s) weren't smart enough to own their own music conveniently didn't talk about how the record labels that were NOT owned by blacks went out of their way to rip them off every step of the way. A few lucky ones made it out okay but most didn't!

And there it is

SeventeenDayze said:

HuMpThAnG said:

The thing that gets me, McCartney advised MJ to get into buying publishing, because HE own some publishings of other artists as well....I'm sure those artists weren't please when he didn't give them back....

That's the unfortunate dynamic in Western culture, ain't it? Ownership of resources can only be owned by a select few! Michael wasn't supposed to have been smart AND talented, remember? I think the person who said the Motown singers (of the 60s) weren't smart enough to own their own music conveniently didn't talk about how the record labels that were NOT owned by blacks went out of their way to rip them off every step of the way. A few lucky ones made it out okay but most didn't!

There goes the race card.

Michael Jackson was not the victim of racism whatsoever. He was not a black man, to start with. So, unless you're talking about white racism, something practiced a lot by the Jacksons, I don't get what you're saying.

Schubert said:

SeventeenDayze said:

That's the unfortunate dynamic in Western culture, ain't it? Ownership of resources can only be owned by a select few! Michael wasn't supposed to have been smart AND talented, remember? I think the person who said the Motown singers (of the 60s) weren't smart enough to own their own music conveniently didn't talk about how the record labels that were NOT owned by blacks went out of their way to rip them off every step of the way. A few lucky ones made it out okay but most didn't!

There goes the race card.

Michael Jackson was not the victim of racism whatsoever. He was not a black man, to start with. So, unless you're talking about white racism, something practiced a lot by the Jacksons, I don't get what you're saying.

I've got nothing else to say to you dude. If you're too blind to see that 99 percent of Motown acts were black who were singing during the 1950s and 1960s and most likely dealt with that stuff behind the scenes, then you are delusional.

It's not necessary to say racist crap because you hate Michael.

That's it. I'm done say anything else to you. Thanks.

Schubert said:

SeventeenDayze said:

That's the unfortunate dynamic in Western culture, ain't it? Ownership of resources can only be owned by a select few! Michael wasn't supposed to have been smart AND talented, remember? I think the person who said the Motown singers (of the 60s) weren't smart enough to own their own music conveniently didn't talk about how the record labels that were NOT owned by blacks went out of their way to rip them off every step of the way. A few lucky ones made it out okay but most didn't!

There goes the race card.

Michael Jackson was not the victim of racism whatsoever. He was not a black man, to start with. So, unless you're talking about white racism, something practiced a lot by the Jacksons, I don't get what you're saying.

Poor Schubert! I can only feel sorry for someone like him/her. There is nothing one can do with a person who is COMPLETELY consumed with ignorance, refusal to research for facts, reliance on rumor, lies, and manipulation. A person such as this refuses to acknowledge when they are wrong. It's obvious that Schubert is a TROLL. He/she gets its 'jollies" stirring up dirt and filth. We have a choice:either ignore it or try to impart facts and knowledge, in the hope that maybe a minute particle will infiltrate his/her tabloid-infested brain.

Free2BMe said:

Schubert said:

There goes the race card.

Michael Jackson was not the victim of racism whatsoever. He was not a black man, to start with. So, unless you're talking about white racism, something practiced a lot by the Jacksons, I don't get what you're saying.

Poor Schubert! I can only feel sorry for someone like him/her. There is nothing one can do with a person who is COMPLETELY consumed with ignorance, refusal to research for facts, reliance on rumor, lies, and manipulation. A person such as this refuses to acknowledge when they are wrong. It's obvious that Schubert is a TROLL. He/she gets its 'jollies" stirring up dirt and filth. We have a choice:either ignore it or try to impart facts and knowledge, in the hope that maybe a minute particle will infiltrate his/her tabloid-infested brain.

This whole thread is getting ugly and its turning into an MJ thread, as if we don't have enough of these. Yet I actually never said MJ was overrated, I think his music was amazing and have fond memories of enjoying it all my life. Yes Invincible was weak, but the rest was amazing even History and Blood on the Dancefloor. His personal life and come on guys was a mess though, not entirely his fault, blame the child stardom and Joseph Jackson, he is real criminal there, abusing and brainwashing his kids all those years.

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And we do not need the race card, its amazing how a thread on overrated artists turns into Black Artists vs White Artists. Motown was not white owned, it was black owned, at most they had a Jewish sales rep hired by Berry Gordy called Barney Ales, and he did what Gordy told him to, like everyone else in that controlling institution, yet he got the best out of them..

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I agree too that Drake is very overated, also the guys who sing that silly Ylvis song and Rebecca Black. Maroon 5 and Ke$ha are also pretty bad. Same with Lily Allen.

[Edited 6/25/14 6:06am]

Free2BMe said:

Schubert said:

There goes the race card.

Michael Jackson was not the victim of racism whatsoever. He was not a black man, to start with. So, unless you're talking about white racism, something practiced a lot by the Jacksons, I don't get what you're saying.

Poor Schubert! I can only feel sorry for someone like him/her. There is nothing one can do with a person who is COMPLETELY consumed with ignorance, refusal to research for facts, reliance on rumor, lies, and manipulation. A person such as this refuses to acknowledge when they are wrong. It's obvious that Schubert is a TROLL. He/she gets its 'jollies" stirring up dirt and filth. We have a choice:either ignore it or try to impart facts and knowledge, in the hope that maybe a minute particle will infiltrate his/her tabloid-infested brain.

"refusal to research for facts"- I have only relied on them...contrarily to you.

"reliance on rumor, lies, and manipulation"- What manipulation? What rumors? You mean, Jackson didn't bleach his skin? You mean he actually was sane? You mean he wasn't accused of pedophilia over and over again? You mean he actually paid the people on his payroll (ask Mesereau)? To you, Jackson fans, everything are lies, tabloid junk and manipulation. That's how you dismiss your idol's mud.

"try to impart facts and knowledge"- MJ fans are the last people on Earth to impart anything other than insanity. You mean, the same way MJ tried to impart facts and knowledge?

Schubert said:

Free2BMe said:

Poor Schubert! I can only feel sorry for someone like him/her. There is nothing one can do with a person who is COMPLETELY consumed with ignorance, refusal to research for facts, reliance on rumor, lies, and manipulation. A person such as this refuses to acknowledge when they are wrong. It's obvious that Schubert is a TROLL. He/she gets its 'jollies" stirring up dirt and filth. We have a choice:either ignore it or try to impart facts and knowledge, in the hope that maybe a minute particle will infiltrate his/her tabloid-infested brain.

"refusal to research for facts"- I have only relied on them...contrarily to you.

"reliance on rumor, lies, and manipulation"- What manipulation? What rumors? You mean, Jackson didn't bleach his skin? You mean he actually was sane? You mean he wasn't accused of pedophilia over and over again? You mean he actually paid the people on his payroll (ask Mesereau)? To you, Jackson fans, everything are lies, tabloid junk and manipulation. That's how you dismiss your idol's mud.

"try to impart facts and knowledge"- MJ fans are the last people on Earth to impart anything other than insanity. You mean, the same way MJ tried to impart facts and knowledge?

What facts have you posted? Every so-called "fact" that you claim is riddled with half-truths, manipulations and innuendo. I don't think people like you are even capable of doing any REAL research. You know only what you are spoon-feed. It's really quite pathetic that so-called "intelligent" people like you are so naive and gullible. Btw, please spare me your elitist, snobbish attitude. People like you make me want to throw-up with your "objective"(gag) views. Again, EVERYTHING that you post is based on half-truths. Seriously, I believe it reflects on YOU more than it does Michael or his fans/supporters.

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Adorecream said:

Bad =/= overrated. None of those people are praised nearly enough if at all to be considered overrated. People who receive mostly high praise and critical acclaim like The Beatles, MJ, Prince, Madonna, Phil Collins, Drake, Beyonce, Jay Z, Kane West, etc., etc. can be construed as overrated since overall their works are largely viewed as critically flawless and to a less relevant extent, extremely popular; especially the former stars. The likes of Ke$ha, Ylvis, Maroon 5, and Rebecca Black of all people can't be overrated since nobody holds them in any sort of high regard to begin with.
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Adorecream said:

This whole thread is getting ugly and its turning into an MJ thread, as if we don't have enough of these. Yet I actually never said MJ was overrated, I think his music was amazing and have fond memories of enjoying it all my life. Yes Invincible was weak, but the rest was amazing even History and Blood on the Dancefloor. His personal life and come on guys was a mess though, not entirely his fault, blame the child stardom and Joseph Jackson, he is real criminal there, abusing and brainwashing his kids all those years.

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And we do not need the race card, its amazing how a thread on overrated artists turns into Black Artists vs White Artists. Motown was not white owned, it was black owned, at most they had a Jewish sales rep hired by Berry Gordy called Barney Ales, and he did what Gordy told him to, like everyone else in that controlling institution, yet he got the best out of them..

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I agree too that Drake is very overated, also the guys who sing that silly Ylvis song and Rebecca Black. Maroon 5 and Ke$ha are also pretty bad. Same with Lily Allen.

[Edited 6/25/14 6:06am]

How do you know this Barney Ales person wasn't doing what he was told? What was his role in the company? What about the other record labels that were and still are controlled by Jewish people?

To say this is a "race card" means you'd like to turn a blind eye to issues that were actually happening...Why is it okay to be entertained by a person who is black but then say when they complain about inequality that it's nothing more than "a race card"?

MotownSubdivision said:

Adorecream said:

This whole thread is getting ugly and its turning into an MJ thread, as if we don't have enough of these. Yet I actually never said MJ was overrated, I think his music was amazing and have fond memories of enjoying it all my life. Yes Invincible was weak, but the rest was amazing even History and Blood on the Dancefloor. His personal life and come on guys was a mess though, not entirely his fault, blame the child stardom and Joseph Jackson, he is real criminal there, abusing and brainwashing his kids all those years.

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And we do not need the race card, its amazing how a thread on overrated artists turns into Black Artists vs White Artists. Motown was not white owned, it was black owned, at most they had a Jewish sales rep hired by Berry Gordy called Barney Ales, and he did what Gordy told him to, like everyone else in that controlling institution, yet he got the best out of them..

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I agree too that Drake is very overated, also the guys who sing that silly Ylvis song and Rebecca Black. Maroon 5 and Ke$ha are also pretty bad. Same with Lily Allen.

[Edited 6/25/14 6:06am]

Bad =/= overrated. None of those people are praised nearly enough if at all to be considered overrated. People who receive mostly high praise and critical acclaim like The Beatles, MJ, Prince, Madonna, Phil Collins, Drake, Beyonce, Jay Z, Kane West, etc., etc. can be construed as overrated since overall their works are largely viewed as critically flawless and to a less relevant extent, extremely popular; especially the former stars. The likes of Ke$ha, Ylvis, Maroon 5, and Rebecca Black of all people can't be overrated since nobody holds them in any sort of high regard to begin with. [Edited 6/25/14 8:52am]

Well, what about new artists that seem to get lots of exposure? I've always wondered how some people can just remain around for a long time despite mediocre output. Maybe there's stuff that goes on behind the scenes in the music industry that makes it this way.

Maroon 5 probably gets too much credibility more than they get critical acclaim at this point. Now, in 20 years, some idiot might compare them to the Rolling Stones or something, then we can get the pitchforks out at that point.....

Free2BMe said:

whitechocolatebrotha said:

Michael Jackson is SOOOOO overrated! I can't stand MOST of his output. Fillerish, inDEED. His voice just grates on my nerves and I cannot STAND all those syncopated vocals he does with the "Bah! Cha!" Ugh!!! I bought "History: Past, Present & Future Book 1" recently and have no idea even WHY! LOL! Prob'ly sell it back 2 the used CD store 4 credit toward somethin' else. NOT a fan by ANY means. Janet's WAY better in my opinion. PLUS, his dancing didn't evolve really. He always did the same moves since Motown 25 and the corny videos of him playin' a brotha from the hood always made me wanna PUKE! If he ever went into the hood pullin' that shit, boy'd be BEATEN down! He didn't even know what homeless people were! Okay...don't get me started. 'Nuff said. These are merely my opinions and I am NOT hatin'. I just don't like his voice or much of his vids and/or material.

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It's alright not to like Michael's music or him. I understand that because I can't stand his sister Janet or her music. However, the ignorance in the statement about Michael not knowing what homeless people are is pathetic. Your girl, Janet has said that she was with Michael when he would give HOMELESS people hundreds of dollars. She said they would just drive in neighborhoods and Michael would give out money. The bodyguards who recently released a book said that Michael would see people on the street and give them hundreds of dollars, especially to women. Again, it is alright not to like Michael or his music. That is your opinion, and I don't care or have no wish to change your mind. Just as you could never change my dislike about Janet or her music. However, it is not the fuck alright to lie and spew bullshit rumors just because you don't like MJ or his music. Ignorance is not a virtue!

It's a fact that Michael Jackson didn't know what homeless people were or that they even existed. He was too sheltered to know that Once he knew that they existed and that they were homeless and penniless was when he was out there giving 'em money. That, aside, still doesn't change my mind about much of his music. I think it sucks and I always just found him 2 be really odd. No offense. Just wanted 2 come back and clarify this.

whitechocolatebrotha said:

Free2BMe said:

It's alright not to like Michael's music or him. I understand that because I can't stand his sister Janet or her music. However, the ignorance in the statement about Michael not knowing what homeless people are is pathetic. Your girl, Janet has said that she was with Michael when he would give HOMELESS people hundreds of dollars. She said they would just drive in neighborhoods and Michael would give out money. The bodyguards who recently released a book said that Michael would see people on the street and give them hundreds of dollars, especially to women. Again, it is alright not to like Michael or his music. That is your opinion, and I don't care or have no wish to change your mind. Just as you could never change my dislike about Janet or her music. However, it is not the fuck alright to lie and spew bullshit rumors just because you don't like MJ or his music. Ignorance is not a virtue!

It's a fact that Michael Jackson didn't know what homeless people were or that they even existed. He was too sheltered to know that Once he knew that they existed and that they were homeless and penniless was when he was out there giving 'em money. That, aside, still doesn't change my mind about much of his music. I think it sucks and I always just found him 2 be really odd. No offense. Just wanted 2 come back and clarify this.

whitechocolatebrotha said:

Free2BMe said:

It's alright not to like Michael's music or him. I understand that because I can't stand his sister Janet or her music. However, the ignorance in the statement about Michael not knowing what homeless people are is pathetic. Your girl, Janet has said that she was with Michael when he would give HOMELESS people hundreds of dollars. She said they would just drive in neighborhoods and Michael would give out money. The bodyguards who recently released a book said that Michael would see people on the street and give them hundreds of dollars, especially to women. Again, it is alright not to like Michael or his music. That is your opinion, and I don't care or have no wish to change your mind. Just as you could never change my dislike about Janet or her music. However, it is not the fuck alright to lie and spew bullshit rumors just because you don't like MJ or his music. Ignorance is not a virtue!

It's a fact that Michael Jackson didn't know what homeless people were or that they even existed. He was too sheltered to know that Once he knew that they existed and that they were homeless and penniless was when he was out there giving 'em money. That, aside, still doesn't change my mind about much of his music. I think it sucks and I always just found him 2 be really odd. No offense. Just wanted 2 come back and clarify this.

Not trying to be rude but do you really think that 10 people living in a two bedroom house in Gary, Indiana somehow didn't have a grasp of povery that Michael didn't pick up on? I'm pretty sure they had moments that they didn't know how the mortgage was going to be paid.

Enjoy folks!

Gunsnhalen said:

SeventeenDayze said:

I love MJ to death, so tell me what's overrated about him

His songs are cheesy, his songwriting was about as good as AC/DC. His albums are full of filler, he owes a lot to his production team. I don't give a damn if he was a good dancer or not. Thriller is full of filler and cheesy ass songs. Off The Wall is the only album i really enjoy from him.

Plus, his hardcore fanbase is the absolute worse. I mean worse than Mariah Carey, Janet, Madonna, Whitney, Lady GaGa, Beyonce stans. And that's just disturbing

Most of his stuff is just cheesy, campy, and silly too me. But... that's just my opinion

I agree with this 100% - right down to the bit about Off the Wall (only MJ album I like, too).

I have to say, though - my biggest problem with MJ was that I just couldn't bear to look at his mutilated face.

Winner by a land-slide!!!! Just because your mommie and daddy say you're a great singer doesn't make it the truth.

Schubert said:

it was playback all the way. Even as a child.

The J5 'Live at the Forum' and 'Live in Japan' albums tell a different story to the one in your head sunshine.

kitbradley said:

Winner by a land-slide!!!! Just because your mommie and daddy say you're a great singer doesn't make it the truth.

I was watching something about JLO recently and it dawned on me that Beyonce completely swagger jacked JLO. I heard a long time ago that she was even using JLO's stylist and was quoted in a magazine saying she wished she were Latina.

This chick is overexposed, overrated and seems insecure about just going the hell away for a few years and spare the public of having her shoved down our throats.

Why doesn't anyone call her out about her plastic surgery, blonde weave, liposuction and skin bleaching? (This also applies to Rhianna too)