motownlover said:

Is it me or did they change the pitch or tempo in the new mix of APQNN ?

Derek1984 said:

motownlover said:

Is it me or did they change the pitch or tempo in the new mix of APQNN ?

Wouldn't surprise me. They are trying to modernize old demo's.

If Mike would have these ideas today i would say it sucks too. I like how they did ( not timbo) LNFSG, the short snipped of Xscpae with horns i like that too. I dont know the original loving you but i seems ok mix, asside of the drums. DOenst sound TOO modernized , but i dont know the original.

Im really hoping for She was loving me to kick ass( i refuse to call it "chicago)

Its gonna be a hit and miss for me. Still nice they put in the effort to give us 2 versions but it seems like most songs are like night and day

Derek1984 said:

motownlover said:

Is it me or did they change the pitch or tempo in the new mix of APQNN ?

Wouldn't surprise me. They are trying to modernize old demo's.

If Mike would have these ideas today i would say it sucks too. I like how they did ( not timbo) LNFSG, the short snipped of Xscpae with horns i like that too. I dont know the original loving you but i seems ok mix, asside of the drums. DOenst sound TOO modernized , but i dont know the original.

Im really hoping for She was loving me to kick ass( i refuse to call it "chicago)

Its gonna be a hit and miss for me. Still nice they put in the effort to give us 2 versions but it seems like most songs are like night and day.

I have no faith for Blue gangsta and slave to be an improvement with new production since i dont like the original production ( do like the voice in blue gangsta but dont know if i would like it with any production)

purple05 said:

Scorp said:

Justin Timberlake was added on this 1983 song original because Sony and the estate don't believe Michael Jackson (because of the superficial image over the past quarter century) can not sell this record by name alone.....

No JT was added to the song because the demo was only a verse and a chorus. It has nohing o do with that BS youre talking about

If that was the case then why would they bother with putting the other version of LNFSG with only Michael’s vocals (not the original demo but the “contemporized” version of the demo) on the cd? They didn’t add any new lyrics on the Timberlake version, they only had him sing the 2^nd verse and add some ad-libs. He wasn’t needed for this mix and Scorp is right, clearly the record label felt it necessary to put him on this song in hopes of generating more excitement or sales which is a shame because it wasn’t needed imo.

NaughtyKitty said:

purple05 said:

No JT was added to the song because the demo was only a verse and a chorus. It has nohing o do with that BS youre talking about

If that was the case then why would they bother with putting the other version of LNFSG with only Michael’s vocals (not the original demo but the “contemporized” version of the demo) on the cd? They didn’t add any new lyrics on the Timberlake version, they only had him sing the 2^nd verse and add some ad-libs. He wasn’t needed for this mix and Scorp is right, clearly the record label felt it necessary to put him on this song in hopes of generating more excitement or sales which is a shame because it wasn’t needed imo.

I noticed after a day they removed Michael's solo version from Youtube when it got more views than the MJ/JT version. It's back up now but now a few million views down on the version Sony obviously WANT to push more. Shame on them. AGAIN.

Cinnamon234 said:

I don't like what they did with "A place without no name". I don't like the production. It sounds like some cheap house remix. The original had a certain magic and conveyed a certain tranquil feeling. This remix is watered down and lacking imo. So far this is the only miss. I love the other three songs.

I agree. I love the vocals, but the music kinda sucks and it kinda reminds me of "Leave me alone" at the beginning, but less good.

APWNN- Great vocals, as usual. WAY too similar to LEave ME Alone with the synth, and that kinda pisses me off. All the other tracks sound modernized. This one straight up sounds like a remix (there is a difference between the modernizing, and the remixing). This one should have had a more lite rock vibe. Thankfully, of course, the original will be on the deluxe, so we can enjoy that. Either way, I was expecting at least one disappointment, and I feel like us fans will be WAY more biased than everyone else with this song, especially with the whole story behind it, and the fact that the snippet leaked very shortly after MJ passed away.

[Edited 5/7/14 13:37pm]

EDIT: The more I think about it, it meshes well with the rest of the album. The strings are nice in the chorus, and awesomes vocals are front and center in the chorus. Verses are shit, chorus is good IMO

[Edited 5/7/14 13:48pm]

FnkyManifesto7 said:

APWNN- Great vocals, as usual. WAY too similar to LEave ME Alone with the synth, and that kinda pisses me off. All the other tracks sound modernized.

Yeah. You can't help but wonder why? Where they trying to be clever? Where they thinking people wouldn't notice? What's the point to use unreleased lyrics and make music that sounds like an already released song? Who thought that was a good idea?

PatrickS77 said:

FnkyManifesto7 said:

APWNN- Great vocals, as usual. WAY too similar to LEave ME Alone with the synth, and that kinda pisses me off. All the other tracks sound modernized.

Yeah. You can't help but wonder why? Where they trying to be clever? Where they thinking people wouldn't notice? What's the point to use unreleased lyrics and make music that sounds like an already released song? Who thought that was a good idea?

I know what you mean, but I think the good part of this is that if the new version kept the same guitar and all of that, I would have been panned because "he is copying America", and all that other bull. Even the demo didn't impress me that much, well besides the chorus, so I honestly don't care so much. The one I am anxious for is Do You Know Where Your Children Are (my favorite of his unreleased songs).

FnkyManifesto7 said:

I know what you mean, but I think the good part of this is that if the new version kept the same guitar and all of that, I would have been panned because "he is copying America", and all that other bull. Even the demo didn't impress me that much, well besides the chorus,

Yeah. But that kinda was the point, wasn't it? To take a beloved song that is so not what Michael usually sounds like and put an MJ spin to it. True, the demo wasn't quite there yet, but I still preferred that one to the remix version.

FnkyManifesto7 said:

PatrickS77 said:

Yeah. You can't help but wonder why? Where they trying to be clever? Where they thinking people wouldn't notice? What's the point to use unreleased lyrics and make music that sounds like an already released song? Who thought that was a good idea?

I know what you mean, but I think the good part of this is that if the new version kept the same guitar and all of that, I would have been panned because "he is copying America", and all that other bull. Even the demo didn't impress me that much, well besides the chorus, so I honestly don't care so much. The one I am anxious for is Do You Know Where Your Children Are (my favorite of his unreleased songs).

The Estate really had no choice but to include this song because it was one of the few that were pretty much complete. And this was never meant to be on an album. It was literally a jam session, but for MJ that's better than what anybody else can do.

"You have to be a real Michael Jackson fan to appreciate what im about to do" That quote by timbo goes through my head everytime i hear that duck sound in Chicago

Slave To The Rhythm

http://jams.to/michael-jackson-slave-to-the-rhythm-prod-by-timbaland-cdq/

my ears...

Timbo

LiLi1992 said:

Slave To The Rhythm

http://jams.to/michael-jackson-slave-to-the-rhythm-prod-by-timbaland-cdq/

my ears...

Timbo

It's OK. Better than APWNN but not a standout track.

The album started out good and is starting to lose momentum from me.

[Edited 5/8/14 5:32am]

http://www.dizsoundz.com/michael-jackson-slave-to-the-rhythm/

Hmm. Not sure. I liked this when it was just a snippet on the Sony Z2 advert i saw on youtube awhile back, but the full thing? i stopped it halfway through, checked the advert to see if it was indeed the same mix, then came back to it. Sometimes less IS more.

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It might improve after a few listens, I'm not a fan of this 'contemporizing'. The vocals are great as usual. I'm beginning to wish they'd got Michael's regular studio musicians in on this project too to finish these as they might have been finished originally. Demos/'Original'/Contempory might have been the way to go.

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On the whole i'd give these five songs 8/10. Good but not great. Which considering the sources, demos, is probably what they were aiming for anyway.

[Edited 5/8/14 5:45am]

WTF? They took his Slave vocals and set them to Whoomp There It Is or some shit? This is garbage.

SchlomoThaHomo said:

WTF? They took his Slave vocals and set them to Whoomp There It Is or some shit? This is garbage.

Scorp said:

GoldDolphin said:

It's funny you say this, when the Thriller era is the least liked era by MJ fans generally (I'm speaking more of the stans than the casual fans) because they feel MJ was kinda faking it with the baby voice and all that other Disney imagery. That's not saying people don't like it but comparing it to BAD and Dangerous, he tried to go within himself to discover otther sonic sounds and landscapes, his social messages became more bold as well! For those saying that the bad and dangerous albums sound dated, I guess a lot of modern day musix sounds dated too because those sound landscapes is what's inspiring the current indie r&b landscape. Liberian Girl, Another Part of Me, Dirty Diana and Leave me alone have been inspirational for producers the last 6 years or so, with many new artists covering songs from the BAD era. The Weekend, Bruno Mars, Kanye West are just some of the artists that are heavily inspired by the sonic sounds of this period of MJS career.

His most beautiful videos were done during the BAD era and 90s and I think MJ himself would say this. I don't know in what world you live in, but to the contrary his work during Off the wall and Thriller is always what MJ has been known for, which is pretty sad since his later work is much deeper and profound. As a a 90s kid, I always remember people talking about OTW & thriller when I grew up as a teen during the 00s, so again I don't know who these people you be talkin about? I mean Chris Brown, Ginuwine, Usher, JT, Britney Spears, Destinys Child, Eminem, Fall out boy etc that were popular during the 00s for the most part referenced to the early stuff because that's what they grew up on. Now that we are seeing the kids that grew up on BAD & Dangerous era, we are seeing a natural interest to those influences. That's pretty normal.

Although I'm a huge fan of his work during OTW & Thriller and I'm a huge Jacksons fan, I think from a composition and songwriting point of view - he wrote his best pieces in the 90s. The songs are more complex and more revealing and they shed a light on his life that he hadnt shared before.

that all depends on who u ask......

if u ask the majority of MJ post-Thriller, or from the 90s on, that's probably true what u said that they would not hold his work with OTW and Thriller in the same light as his following albums...

if u ask those who grew up watching MJ from 1969-1984, there's no question right out the box the majority of them are going to hold OTW and THRILLER at the highest level

see, the majority from 1969-1984 is larger than the majority post-THRILLER, but the perception is the total opposite...

the problem is...there never should have been 2 distinct fanbases, it should have been a continuation of what was already established

the superficial image created post-Thriller is what created the 2 fanbases......the continuum ceased at that moment

the problem is, commercial media never acknowledged in equal representation the original following after THRILLER......

I'm not referring to his contemporaries....I'm referring to the record buying public

no video is ever gonna top that Thriller video.......nothing ever gonna top it

that was the alpha and omega of music videos or as Lionel Richie put it, the Gone of The Wind of music videos....

I'll never support the argument MJ's music became outdated....I don't look at it like that

the message was always consistent and that's why I enjoy listening to all his albums

[Edited 5/6/14 16:56pm]

That's such a common thing tho! Just look at Prince's different fans, you got those who love his period with The Revolution and everything 80s, and those who hate his 90s work or those who like it, then those that despise his 00s work. For instance I stan for Prince when it comes to his work 1979-1992 but I cant say that I like his late 90s or 00s work that much, although I like some albums/songs from these eras. You see what I'm tryna say tho? Also MJ was more authentic with his political, social and personal thoughts in his mid 20s to mid 30s. That's why he created so much amazing music, had HIStory been just one album - it would have been named one of his greatest works, simply because of his lyricism and composition skills imo.

Are u buying this new album tho?

Derek1984 said:

3 tracks left. DYKWYCA and Blue Gangsta are strong demo's so I'm expecting to be disappointed with the reworks. I think Xscape will be great since it's the original producer working on it.

Strong demos? I think they were finished pieces already. You're right, i fear the worst on those two.

At least it's better than 'Michael' though.

Ultimately what i like will end up in my playlist of demos/unreleased/rare MJ with 'Hot Street', 'Niteline' etc. It's getting quite long that playlist. These albums are not in my personal MJ canon anyway. I don't hold them in that regard.

[Edited 5/8/14 6:58am]

GoldDolphin said:

Scorp said:

that all depends on who u ask......

if u ask the majority of MJ post-Thriller, or from the 90s on, that's probably true what u said that they would not hold his work with OTW and Thriller in the same light as his following albums...

if u ask those who grew up watching MJ from 1969-1984, there's no question right out the box the majority of them are going to hold OTW and THRILLER at the highest level

see, the majority from 1969-1984 is larger than the majority post-THRILLER, but the perception is the total opposite...

the problem is...there never should have been 2 distinct fanbases, it should have been a continuation of what was already established

the superficial image created post-Thriller is what created the 2 fanbases......the continuum ceased at that moment

the problem is, commercial media never acknowledged in equal representation the original following after THRILLER......

I'm not referring to his contemporaries....I'm referring to the record buying public

no video is ever gonna top that Thriller video.......nothing ever gonna top it

that was the alpha and omega of music videos or as Lionel Richie put it, the Gone of The Wind of music videos....

I'll never support the argument MJ's music became outdated....I don't look at it like that

the message was always consistent and that's why I enjoy listening to all his albums

[Edited 5/6/14 16:56pm]

That's such a common thing tho! Just look at Prince's different fans, you got those who love his period with The Revolution and everything 80s, and those who hate his 90s work or those who like it, then those that despise his 00s work. For instance I stan for Prince when it comes to his work 1979-1992 but I cant say that I like his late 90s or 00s work that much, although I like some albums/songs from these eras. You see what I'm tryna say tho? Also MJ was more authentic with his political, social and personal thoughts in his mid 20s to mid 30s. That's why he created so much amazing music, had HIStory been just one album - it would have been named one of his greatest works, simply because of his lyricism and composition skills imo.

Are u buying this new album tho?

this new release is primarily featuring demo recordings?

Marrk said:

OMG. You guys have GOT to listen to this. Remix of 'Get on the floor' with new verses and ad libs from the multitracks. Honestly you won't regret it. It's amaziiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing!

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http://bamalovesoul.com/headlines/michael-jackson-get-on-the-floor-kon-extended-remix/

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https://soundcloud.com/kon/mj-get-kon-the-floor-remix

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[Edited 5/3/14 5:39am]

So wondering did anyone bother with this? Or did you all just miss out on a slice of greatness? Timbaland, Stargate better take notes!

Dare i say 'Masterpiece' on this here forum and for once it's really true? Yep, i think i can.

Marrk said:

Marrk said:

OMG. You guys have GOT to listen to this. Remix of 'Get on the floor' with new verses and ad libs from the multitracks. Honestly you won't regret it. It's amaziiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing!

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http://bamalovesoul.com/headlines/michael-jackson-get-on-the-floor-kon-extended-remix/

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https://soundcloud.com/kon/mj-get-kon-the-floor-remix

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[Edited 5/3/14 5:39am]

So wondering did anyone bother with this? Or did you all just miss out on a slice of greatness? Timbaland, Stargate better take notes!

Dare i say 'Masterpiece' on this here forum and for once it's really true? Yep, i think i can.

Derek1984 said:

Derek1984 said:

Blue Gangsta has now leaked. Yep, just as I predicted... Not as good as the demo. The production is very bland.

I don't mind this one. The vocals remain strong and upfront, which was always the highlight anyway and at 4 minutes, this new version moves. I always thought the demo needed a trim anyway even if it was about the same length. For some reason it outstayed it's wecome. I faded it out early on one of my versions so yeah, it works for me (the new one).

[Edited 5/8/14 9:22am]