Never mind the fact that I had two previous Beyonce VS. Madonna threads. I wonder if Beyonce IS Madonna now!

And the sick part about this video (NSFW) is that I like it. And I hate myself for it. Damn you Beyonce and your Roc Nation crew.

Other than being an industry favorite she isn't the new Madonna. (you can't be the girl next door and the whore.) She is just a sex kitten-which is beginning to get old.

Miley or Britney maybe as the new Madonna. Time will tell.

Thankfully there will never be another talentless whore, her spotlight is no longer needed. Brit brit is so medicated that shes not allowed to use a cellphone.

My bet is on Miley cause girl was raised in the industry and honestly she seems smart as a whip and has real talent.

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no way!

Every move B makes seems forced and marketed, when Madonna portrayed being...umm.."sexual" it was convincing to the point that this:

happens.

Beyonce tries but you know behind that forced smile is an insecure person grasping for attention. You can see Madonna's balls in every look, video and photo shoot. She does not care what people think, never has and never will.

Miley seems to have the twinkle in her eye of pushing buttons but is not having the sales success to back it up on Madonna's level.

People fume that she is still around doing what she wants. More power to her.

I love that photo of Madonna - that is when she really rocked, I was a massive fan at that time, but sadly she has lost her edge over time but those times were exicting to be her fan.

and yet another '00s female star using nudity to sell her music

this is truly the era of sluts, the mysoginistic ideal has been reached= nude females everywhere..."show me your body if you wanna achieve something"

pathetic

Beyoncé is a slut, she's not an artist anymore. Even if she had talent (singing or dancing), that doesn't make up for her corrupted artistry, all she does now is getting naked on every video so she can tease people with her nudity, and eventually make them "fans", whatever happened to quality music videos anyway? They used to have a storyline, characters and all, why this sudden emphasis on some sort of propaganda or "IDEA"??? It kinda looks like Rihanna or Beyoncé or every other artist in their circle just do the same thing, musically and video-wise, whatever happened to R&B?? Of course we have to believe that's good music since critics are all over their asses but that's cuz they recieved good money big time, this is all fake and a game....This is so pathetic.. and no, Beyonce is not the new Madonna, Madonna had guts to do shit when nobody expected her to do, Beyoncé already did this (tryna make money), nobody gave a crap so she advanced and tried to make it even more explicit...

Well, I have to agree, Miley shocked the world in a away people will never, ever look at her the same (people who saw her doing Hannah Montana)... it was a big change and something Madonna would do,, even if I think that it was done in a trashy way (Not as classy as it's supposed to be), Miley is a bad girl, every generation needs its own, she's not my cup of tea, I think her voice sucks and her image is just so childish and unbearable, yet she's up for that crown.. Rihanna and Beyoncé can suck asses.

lazycrockett said:

Thankfully there will never be another talentless whore, her spotlight is no longer needed. Brit brit is so medicated that shes not allowed to use a cellphone.

My bet is on Miley cause girl was raised in the industry and honestly she seems smart as a whip and has real talent.

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yeh..they both suck...

Her recent videos actually make me like her songs less, it´s the same thing over and over again.

No she's becoming the new Mariah Carey. Put some damn clothes on.

JoeTyler said:

and yet another '00s female star using nudity to sell her music

this is truly the era of sluts, the mysoginistic ideal has been reached= nude females everywhere..."show me your body if you wanna achieve something"

pathetic

Rihanna, Lady Gaga (yes her), Britney, Christina, Shakira and then add the '90s stars like Toni Braxton (before people just didn't buy her shit anymore) and Mariah Carey (and late '80s/'90s star Miss Jackson, aka Penny) and it gets hard to figure out what all this nudity is supposed to do. All desperately following the Madonna/Josephine Baker playbook.

Not willing to make this another Jackson hijack (y'all are geniuses in doing that) but 1990s Janet > 2000s Janet.

That's all. Now back to Beyonce...

Timmy84 said:

Timmy84 said:

JoeTyler said:

and yet another '00s female star using nudity to sell her music

this is truly the era of sluts, the mysoginistic ideal has been reached= nude females everywhere..."show me your body if you wanna achieve something"

pathetic

Rihanna, Lady Gaga (yes her), Britney, Christina, Shakira and then add the '90s stars like Toni Braxton (before people just didn't buy her shit anymore) and Mariah Carey (and late '80s/'90s star Miss Jackson, aka Penny) and it gets hard to figure out what all this nudity is supposed to do. All desperately following the Madonna/Josephine Baker playbook.

I know this is not a good time to play devil's advocate, but didn't Prince used to have this girl group called Vanity 6 that also used to take most of their clothes off too? And lets not forget about the time Cher did a video while looking almost naked in front of gay sailors.

JoeTyler said:

and yet another '00s female star using nudity to sell her music

this is truly the era of sluts, the mysoginistic ideal has been reached= nude females everywhere..."show me your body if you wanna achieve something"

pathetic

Man, get outta here with that. You're acting like this is something new or unique. Sex has been selling for a long time. If you haven't noticed then its time to get your head out of that sandbox.

Practically every female pop star has used their looks to sell. As a matter of fact, you can not be a pop star and not use your looks to sell; especially nowadays. Hell, even chicks like Fantasia use what they have to sell.

As far as "slutty" goes: she is in the video dancing and prancing provocatively FOR HER HUSBAND. HER HUSBAND IS RIGHT THERE. She is playing the image of a lady in the streets/freak in the sheets that every husband wants his/her wife to be. There is no slut factor involved here. Beyoncé just has a lot of haters. Besides looking like a sexy chandelier in an outfit or two, she looks hot. Hell, even in the chandalier bustier or whatever that was, she still looks good...FOR HER HUSBAND. He's right there...in the video...with her. Pop stars at her level are paint-by-numbers sexy anyway. You know what they are going to do, they just have "themes" they can work with. Katy Perry - Candy/colors/fun

Nicki Minaj - barbie

Pink - athletic/acrobatic

Britney - costumes/roleplay (this is also what Bey is doing in this video)

This video is not controversial.

BTW, the song sucks.

BlaqueKnight said:

JoeTyler said:

and yet another '00s female star using nudity to sell her music

this is truly the era of sluts, the mysoginistic ideal has been reached= nude females everywhere..."show me your body if you wanna achieve something"

pathetic

Man, get outta here with that. You're acting like this is something new or unique. Sex has been selling for a long time. If you haven't noticed then its time to get your head out of that sandbox.

Practically every female pop star has used their looks to sell. As a matter of fact, you can not be a pop star and not use your looks to sell; especially nowadays. Hell, even chicks like Fantasia use what they have to sell.

As far as "slutty" goes: she is in the video dancing and prancing provocatively FOR HER HUSBAND. HER HUSBAND IS RIGHT THERE. She is playing the image of a lady in the streets/freak in the sheets that every husband wants his/her wife to be. There is no slut factor involved here. Beyoncé just has a lot of haters. Besides looking like a sexy chandelier in an outfit or two, she looks hot. Hell, even in the chandalier bustier or whatever that was, she still looks good...FOR HER HUSBAND. He's right there...in the video...with her. Pop stars at her level are paint-by-numbers sexy anyway. You know what they are going to do, they just have "themes" they can work with. Katy Perry - Candy/colors/fun

Nicki Minaj - barbie

Pink - athletic/acrobatic

Britney - costumes/roleplay (this is also what Bey is doing in this video)

This video is not controversial.

BTW, the song sucks.

THAT^ is one more reason why I hate myself for liking the video. The track itself is garbage but Beyonce's legs AND booty shots are so hot damn!!!

TonyVanDam said:

Timmy84 said:

Rihanna, Lady Gaga (yes her), Britney, Christina, Shakira and then add the '90s stars like Toni Braxton (before people just didn't buy her shit anymore) and Mariah Carey (and late '80s/'90s star Miss Jackson, aka Penny) and it gets hard to figure out what all this nudity is supposed to do. All desperately following the Madonna/Josephine Baker playbook.

I know this is not a good time to play devil's advocate, but didn't Prince used to have this girl group called Vanity 6 that also used to take most of their clothes off too? And lets not forget about the time Cher did a video while looking almost naked in front of gay sailors.

They weren't the norm though.

By the way, Cher looked FINE in that video...

"If I could turn back time..."

BlaqueKnight said:

JoeTyler said:

and yet another '00s female star using nudity to sell her music

this is truly the era of sluts, the mysoginistic ideal has been reached= nude females everywhere..."show me your body if you wanna achieve something"

pathetic

Man, get outta here with that. You're acting like this is something new or unique. Sex has been selling for a long time. If you haven't noticed then its time to get your head out of that sandbox.

Practically every female pop star has used their looks to sell. As a matter of fact, you can not be a pop star and not use your looks to sell; especially nowadays. Hell, even chicks like Fantasia use what they have to sell.

As far as "slutty" goes: she is in the video dancing and prancing provocatively FOR HER HUSBAND. HER HUSBAND IS RIGHT THERE. She is playing the image of a lady in the streets/freak in the sheets that every husband wants his/her wife to be. There is no slut factor involved here. Beyoncé just has a lot of haters. Besides looking like a sexy chandelier in an outfit or two, she looks hot. Hell, even in the chandalier bustier or whatever that was, she still looks good...FOR HER HUSBAND. He's right there...in the video...with her. Pop stars at her level are paint-by-numbers sexy anyway. You know what they are going to do, they just have "themes" they can work with. Katy Perry - Candy/colors/fun

Nicki Minaj - barbie

Pink - athletic/acrobatic

Britney - costumes/roleplay (this is also what Bey is doing in this video)

This video is not controversial.

BTW, the song sucks.

LAUGHABLE POST LAUGHABLE POST!!!!!!

first of all, if "for a long time" you mean since the mid-'00s, then ok (I guess 10 years could be considered for a long time)

second, in the '80s and '90s MTV didn't allow this level of eroticism and nudity of our current era, ... Madonna's Erotica controversy, anyone? remember that thing call "censored video version and non-censored video version"

I'm tired of modern female superstars using sex to sell her records, NOW it's the norm, not the exception, sandbox my ass

yeah she's making a video for her husband, a video that can be seen by ANYONE in youtube, wth man

look, if I'm pissed that's because Beyoncé seemed to avoid this whole "nudity" thing to sell her stuff, now she's just one of them sluts, like Rihanna and Shakira PROMOTING HER DUET ALMOST BARE-NAKED, FOR NO FUCKIN REASON (in musical terms)

as I said, men have won...

Nudity is becoming a sell out, today. I say if Beyoncé and shit keep releasing videos with the same level of explicity and nuditiy other attention whores pop stars (Likes of Miley--they'll be a lot in the next few years) will have to get ALL naked,, or otherwise figure out another holy moly way to get attention, its not cool anymore, when Madonna or Cher used nudity it was new and groundbreaking, something never done before,, when Beyoncé tries to do the same its just not cool...

Look at Janelle Monae, her videos bring something new and futuristic, she doesnt have to get naked and yet theres quality and art within her work visually..

JoeTyler said:

LAUGHABLE POST LAUGHABLE POST!!!!!!

first of all, if "for a long time" you mean since the mid-'00s, then ok (I guess 10 years could be considered for a long time)

second, in the '80s and '90s MTV didn't allow this level of eroticism and nudity of our current era, ... Madonna's Erotica controversy, anyone? remember that thing call "censored video version and non-censored video version"

I'm tired of modern female superstars using sex to sell her records, NOW it's the norm, not the exception, sandbox my ass

yeah she's making a video for her husband, a video that can be seen by ANYONE in youtube, wth man

look, if I'm pissed that's because Beyoncé seemed to avoid this whole "nudity" thing to sell her stuff, now she's just one of them sluts, like Rihanna and Shakira PROMOTING HER DUET ALMOST BARE-NAKED, FOR NO FUCKIN REASON (in musical terms)

as I said, men have won...

Making a video FOR HER HUSBAND? Who said that? She makes videos because its part of her job. SHE'S IN SHOW BUSINESS.

Do you know what a slut is? Do you think you could get anywhere near Beyonce? Get serious.

Most attractive women use their looks. Welcome to the dawn of time. That does not mean you can sleep with them. (That's called rape, ya know). She has always had a somewhat sexual image in terms of the way she dresses. She does not shy away from skimpy outfits. If you listen to the actual lyrics, it does very much pertain to this particular song. The subject of the song is adult themed. It fits. You just don't like it. I undersand being fed up with selling sex. It gets old real fast. I'm not giving her a pass on that nor am I condoning it. That's the society we live in now. Adapt or opt out. As for her video attire - that's up to her as to whether or not she will sex it up more or tone it down. She doesn't always look like a sex kitten but she almost always looks good. Blame that on genetics.

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I won't adapt to this modern world of yours, blaqueknight

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BlaqueKnight said:

Do you know what a slut is?

I used that term obviously in a pejorative form; it's not my fault if they look like sluts in their videos...are you telling me that Miley or Rihana don't look like sluts??

Do you think you could get anywhere near Beyonce? Since you're asking...Based on my looks? Probably. Based on my fortune/fame? No

She's not the new Madonna, she's Beyoncé.

She doesn't push buttons just to push them (there is nothing wrong with this), she just expresses herself and lets the cards fall. This self-expression just seems to become more unbridled with every album.

Now that that is out of the way, there is absolutely nothing wrong with a woman or a man, for that matter, being expressing themselves sexually. Married or not, but especially married. If dancing like the ladies of Crazy Horse for her man OR for the world makes her happy, no one can fucking stop her. Hell, "Partition" is apparently one of her fantasies - something that makes HER happy.

Shawy89 said:

Nudity is becoming a sell out, today. I say if Beyoncé and shit keep releasing videos with the same level of explicity and nuditiy other attention whores pop stars (Likes of Miley--they'll be a lot in the next few years) will have to get ALL naked,, or otherwise figure out another holy moly way to get attention, its not cool anymore, when Madonna or Cher used nudity it was new and groundbreaking, something never done before,, when Beyoncé tries to do the same its just not cool...

Look at Janelle Monae, her videos bring something new and futuristic, she doesnt have to get naked and yet theres quality and art within her work visually..

Nudity is probably not the selling point of these videos. It's the lingerie, strip tease style dancing and all the other references to "softer" pornography. Nudity gets boring very fast unless there's intercourse depicted too, they know what they are doing with this stuff.

The problem with these videos isn't the sexuality, it's how ridiculously SUBMISSIVE the depiction of female sexuality in them is. Madonna wasn't like that at all. These new "superstars" are simply interested in fulfilling male fantasies, not using the imagery and the themes for something more complicated and interesting. You'd think that these chicks with millions on their bank accounts wouldn't have to resort to putting out these type of products one after another, so I'm starting to think they really do have some sort of "daddy's girl" issues.

novabrkr said:

The problem with these videos isn't the sexuality, it's how ridiculously SUBMISSIVE the depiction of female sexuality in them is. Madonna wasn't like that at all. These new "superstars" are simply interested in fulfilling male fantasies, not using the imagery and the themes for something more complicated and interesting. You'd think that these chicks with millions on their bank accounts wouldn't have to resort to putting out these type of products one after another, so I'm starting to think they really do have some sort of "daddy's girl" issues.

Absolutely. I'm not a conservative; I've got no problem with female sexuality in music and art - and I don't go in for the 'slut shaming'. But the whole aesthetic of this stuff is based around the strip club - often quite literally - and it's about submissiveness and appealing to male fantasies of having women on demand, etc. "I just wanna be the girl you like", whispers the sex doll. Really, Beyoncé? Is that all you want?

For me, there's an added dimension to why it's so irksome, though. People have remarked that it's not a new thing, and in a sense that's true. But it used to be that there was entertainment that used T&A to get the male punters through the door and sell the product. Then some women started to oppose that, and talk about how it was objectifying, belittling, created unhealthy expectations about women's sexuality, etc, and raised what you might call a feminist critique that opposed the selling of women's sexualised submissiveness to male punters as a matter of principle. Those were two sides: thesis and antithesis, if you will. However, what seems to be the case today - particularly with Beyoncé - is a sort of odd have-your-cake-and-eat-it-too synthesis in which these acts still seem to revolve largely around selling the same submissive stripperisms and T&A as before, but it all comes packaged in the language of 'feminism', 'women's empowerment', etc, even though that seems to count for little more than tossing out a few slogans and wearing a 'grrr!' face while you flash your bum at the boys - and, of course, taking a bigger cut of the profits. To an old-schooler like me, it boggles the mind.

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novabrkr said:

The problem with these videos isn't the sexuality, it's how ridiculously SUBMISSIVE the depiction of female sexuality in them is. Madonna wasn't like that at all. These new "superstars" are simply interested in fulfilling male fantasies, not using the imagery and the themes for something more complicated and interesting. You'd think that these chicks with millions on their bank accounts wouldn't have to resort to putting out these type of products one after another, so I'm starting to think they really do have some sort of "daddy's girl" issues.

exactly

the funny thing is that Rihanna, Beyoncé and Miley HAVE proven daddy's girl issues